James Rodriguez | joins Bayern Munich | 2 year loan

[Bwuk]

Am I alone in thinking James would do better here than Mkhi or Mata. Flopping at Madrid, does not mean you are a shit player. He's had to play second fiddle to some great great players whereas we are a side which is 6th in the EPL.. I reckon he could be a big success here if we built a side around his talents.

I think both Mata and Mkhi are better than James if I'm honest. Put Mata as a #10 in that Madrid side and the amount of goals/assists he'd get would be ridiculous, likewise Mkhi.

 

[Sammyjunn]

Am I alone in thinking James would do better here than Mkhi or Mata. Flopping at Madrid, does not mean you are a shit player. He's had to play second fiddle to some great great players whereas we are a side which is 6th in the EPL.. I reckon he could be a big success here if we built a side around his talents.

Not the only one, I think Mkhi might be similar level of he gets to his Dortmund form, but James is also an excellent player. He has so much ability, excellent passing, vision, dribbling, shooting and scoring ability, crossing, kick taking, he is quite strong and balanced, agile, long range shooting, he basically has every thing you want in an LAM/RAM/CAM but pace, he isnt too fast and apparently doesnt work too hard in training. Losing out on Bale and Ronaldo is no shame.

 

[prtk0811]

He is a better winger than all our wingers however. Better crosser, passer, shooter and finisher than most we have, can also beat a man but doesnt have very high pace.

But he is not a natural winger, so no point in fitting square peg in round holes again. We better sign a wide player and let him go to bayern munich which can further reduce chances for Muller and may be he can push for a move to us after Zlatan goes.

 

[prtk0811]

Not too sure, think he had contract issues and didnt really feel appreciated. Maybe a bust with the fans too if I can remember properly and Real's interest in James, pushed him out.

Real are interested in Bernardo Silva now .

 

[villain]

I would happily have him here tbh, we need attacking players. I personally think Mhki is best playing on the right and drifting in, rather than playing as a pure #10.
Put James at #10, have Martial on the left. Mata, Lingard & Rashford as rotation/squad players.
Plus there's versatility since they are all able to play in each of the 3 positions behind the striker, and Rashford can play up top in league/early FA cup games too.

Immediately our attack improves.

 

[Raees]

I think both Mata and Mkhi are better than James if I'm honest. Put Mata as a #10 in that Madrid side and the amount of goals/assists he'd get would be ridiculous, likewise Mkhi.

Disagree completely on Mata being better than James. Mata is a lightweight attacking mid, who has a wonderful mentality (super professional) but doesn't have enough oomph in his game to take games by the scruff of the neck and dominate. In Spain, he is not rated that highly.. Silva is rated higher. Isco is more talented than Mata, and he too struggles to get into the Madrid side.

Mata struggles to nail a proper position in a side which is 6th in England, so I don't think he'd stand a chance of breaking into Madrid side. Mata gets overrated by United fans because of his nice guy persona. Good player but he'd never break into the great United teams of the past.

Mkhi is super talented, on paper the most electric of the trio and the most suited to playing for any top side.. but he has the worst mentality of the three. Very weak and flakey.. and I don't think he has the cajones to get the most out of his talent. Does he have the mentality to play for a club like United? and be the guy who carries a team on his back? I don't think so.

James, has not had a fair shot at things at Madrid.. but I don't blame Madrid at all. He just doesn't suit their side, with the midfielders they have and the pace they play at. Nevertheless, you can tell he has so much class on the ball in the glimpses you see of him.. he has much more influence on a game than either Mata/Mkhi and as we have seen for Columbia, he has the personality to lead a team from the number 10 position. His workrate etc.. are all obviously up for debate, so I don't know if mentally he has what it takes to maximise his talent.. but he's certainly got more to his game than Mata and is more stronger. quicker and audacious.

 

[Sammyjunn]

But he is not a natural winger, so no point in fitting square peg in round holes again. We better sign a wide player and let him go to bayern munich which can further reduce chances for Muller and may be he can push for a move to us after Zlatan goes.

He starred in wing position at Porto to earn a move to Monaco, think he came from the left too at Monaco (@JPRouve ) but starred at 10 for Colombia.

 

[JPRouve]

He starred in wing position at Porto to earn a move to Monaco, think he came from the left too at Monaco (@JPRouve ) but starred at 10 for Colombia.

I don't remember games from the left but he initially started on the right and was moved centrally, he played a lot in both positions.

 

[Salman Bin Ahmed]

He's no flop, the sad thing is that Real's system was very unbalanced with Modric, Kroos and James in a midfield 3, 3 players who played as a no 10 previously, they needed to play at least one CDM at agiven point, now Casemiro. With Bale, Ronaldo occupying the wings, and James not being able to play CM, there is no place for him. Thats more due to the fact Perez wanted a new toy than him being a flop.

Zidane would disagree with your assessment.

 

[Sammyjunn]

Zidane would disagree with your assessment.

He was dropped before Zidane..and Im talking about how he was dropped.

 

[Sammyjunn]

I don't remember games from the left but he initially started on the right and was moved centrally, he played a lot in both positions.

Thanks.

 

[prtk0811]

Not the only one, I think Mkhi might be similar level of he gets to his Dortmund form, but James is also an excellent player. He has so much ability, excellent passing, vision, dribbling, shooting and scoring ability, crossing, kick taking, he is quite strong and balanced, agile, long range shooting, he basically has every thing you want in an LAM/RAM/CAM but pace, he isnt too fast and apparently doesnt work too hard in training. Losing out on Bale and Ronaldo is no shame.

This is the exact same reason he does not suit united, and also specially Mourinho's and United's Current Philosophy. First of all he will de stabilize the Balance of the Midfeild and system we wanna play He will take up the space Mkh Lingard mata Pogba loves to drift in and link the attack to midfeild. While as we need to get the best out of Pogba's attacking strenghts so a Midfield 3 gives him more freedom.

James is a Individualitic player, But for a individualitic player to be world class he needs a strong charecter, attitude and hard working nature in training and in work rate which he lacks . Individualitic players are so good like ronaldo bale robben Griezmann Ribery Zlatan that out of 10 attempts they get it right atleast 7 -8 times and james rodriguez lacks that characteristic, Mentality and attitude to be that good.

He is not a natural Wide Player which we need so he also blocks's Lingard martial's Progress in the team too and will de stabilize the balance of the midfield as he does not work hard , lacks work rate , Defensive qualities and stamina. Our Defense has been so good this year because of our ability to revover the ball back quickly in midfeild and with james that Midfeild balance will be destabilized while in attack a player like griezmann is way better than james in every af the pitch who can replace rooney as the face of united's attack.

James Rodriguez reminds me of Ozil exactly and how he sulks in big games vs big teams.

 

[prtk0811]

He starred in wing position at Porto to earn a move to Monaco, think he came from the left too at Monaco (@JPRouve ) but starred at 10 for Colombia.

Sir alex Rejected to sign him even for 5 m, Not everything that shines is gold.

 

[Successful]

I think Mhikitaryan is a better player and he wants to play for us.

 

[United Pro]

Sir alex Rejected to sign him even for 5 m, Not everything that shines is gold.

He instead decided to sign Bebe for £7m after rejecting James for £5m and we all know how that turned out.

 

[Sammyjunn]

This is the exact same reason he does not suit united, and also specially Mourinho's and United's Current Philosophy. First of all he will de stabilize the Balance of the Midfeild and system we wanna play He will take up the space Mkh Lingard mata Pogba loves to drift in and link the attack to midfeild. While as we need to get the best out of Pogba's attacking strenghts so a Midfield 3 gives him more freedom.

James is a Individualitic player, But for a individualitic player to be world class he needs a strong charecter, attitude and hard working nature in training and in work rate which he lacks . Individualitic players are so good like ronaldo bale robben Griezmann Ribery Zlatan that out of 10 attempts they get it right atleast 7 -8 times and james rodriguez lacks that characteristic, Mentality and attitude to be that good.

He is not a natural Wide Player which we need so he also blocks's Lingard martial's Progress in the team too and will de stabilize the balance of the midfield as he does not work hard , lacks work rate , Defensive qualities and stamina. Our Defense has been so good this year because of our ability to revover the ball back quickly in midfeild and with james that Midfeild balance will be destabilized while in attack a player like griezmann is way better than james in every af the pitch who can replace rooney as the face of united's attack.

James Rodriguez reminds me of Ozil exactly and how he sulks in big games vs big teams.

James isnt an individualistic player at all, he is a teamplayer. His work ethic in matches is top notch, he actually works hard and runs a lot which is also just false. Griezmann is better, but less obtainable.

 

[RedDevil@84]

Nope. Unless he is available for 20M or so which is worth the experiment.

Edit: I just realized he might need to be shoe-horned or someone else shown the door and maybe disturb what we have been trying to train this season. So probably Nope.

 

[SachinJ22]

The Pogba transfer (and how it's played out over this season thus far) has definitely left me a bit less confident of the Mourinho and Woodward combo.

Have you forgotten that they also got Ibra (for free), Mkhi and Bailly? These players would have never joined us if we had some other manager.

 

[prtk0811]

Disagree completely on Mata being better than James. Mata is a lightweight attacking mid, who has a wonderful mentality (super professional) but doesn't have enough oomph in his game to take games by the scruff of the neck and dominate. In Spain, he is not rated that highly.. Silva is rated higher. Isco is more talented than Mata, and he too struggles to get into the Madrid side.

Mata struggles to nail a proper position in a side which is 6th in England, so I don't think he'd stand a chance of breaking into Madrid side. Mata gets overrated by United fans because of his nice guy persona. Good player but he'd never break into the great United teams of the past.

Mkhi is super talented, on paper the most electric of the trio and the most suited to playing for any top side.. but he has the worst mentality of the three. Very weak and flakey.. and I don't think he has the cajones to get the most out of his talent. Does he have the mentality to play for a club like United? and be the guy who carries a team on his back? I don't think so.

James, has not had a fair shot at things at Madrid.. but I don't blame Madrid at all. He just doesn't suit their side, with the midfielders they have and the pace they play at. Nevertheless, you can tell he has so much class on the ball in the glimpses you see of him.. he has much more influence on a game than either Mata/Mkhi and as we have seen for Columbia, he has the personality to lead a team from the number 10 position. His workrate etc.. are all obviously up for debate, so I don't know if mentally he has what it takes to maximise his talent.. but he's certainly got more to his game than Mata and is more stronger. quicker and audacious.

Well I too think Mata and MKh is better than James Rodriguez.

Mata is a team player with better creativity, better ball circulation, Better Close control in tight spaces and he rarely looses the ball in Posession and is more useful for our philosophy in the team. He is already well settled here and already developed a good chemistry with the team mates so that helps a lot.

James Rodriguez Is a individualistic player but he does not have a strong character and Hard working attitude to be very very good individually like a Zlatan or Ronaldo or bale Robben Rooney Ribery and all great individualitic players have he's is mentally not that strongto be individually so good as those players. He has a Mentality of a Ozil or DiMaria and that is the exact reason Coupled with the midfeild balance that madrid are so desperate to cast him out and cut their losses on him.

A team player who holds the ball creates and makes use of the space in much better way is more important in a team game rather than a individualistic player who is not that good and woudl crack or sulk under pressure . Madrid have won just 1 La liga's in 8 years with Individualitic mentality and barcelona have dominated with team players who elevate the game with the philosophy. Team chemistry is much more important to win Championships than having galactico's upgrade mentality all the time.

Sir Alex had a Mixture of both players but his individualitic players had a very strong character and mentality to be world class players individualitic way and he fed their ego to be that good, and James rodriguez lacks that quality and will never be such a good individualitic player.

So all in all James would be another a square peg in a round hole as we need more wide players for balancing our squad, while individually too he aint United level. Griezmann would cover everything james does, while Mata and Mkh both are better for our philosophy.

 

[SachinJ22]

I'd take him. He's better than what we have. Better than Rashford will ever be most likely

Rashford is 19. You can't expect a 19 year old guy to play like Costa or Kane or Lukaku. James Rodriguez is not a striker. Compare him with someone else.

 

[prtk0811]

James isnt an individualistic player at all, he is a teamplayer. His work ethic in matches is top notch, he actually works hard and runs a lot which is also just false. Griezmann is better, but less obtainable.

Well same was said about Ozil, Madrid have a reason of letting players go. They dont let go top notch world class players also for that cheap for which they paid double the amount.

 

[Borden]

No, no, no. This is precisely the kind of signing that's been letting us down. Wouldn't solve a thing.

 

[Sammyjunn]

Sir alex Rejected to sign him even for 5 m, Not everything that shines is gold.

This is so so irrelevant, he signed bloody Bebe for more moments later. He also didnt sign Hazard who was such a obvious star, so what?

 

[Sammyjunn]

Well same was said about Ozil, Madrid have a reason of letting players go. They dont let go top notch world class players also for that cheap for which they paid double the amount.

For what its worth Ozil has been one of Geemany's best player and has been one of the best Premier League players in his two first seasons. He is struggling now but so is the entire club Arsenal, what does that prove?

 

[prtk0811]

Griezmann is better, but less obtainable.

Griezmann has a buyout clause, And replacing Wayne rooney as the face of the Man united's attack is an opportunity too good to pass. Ucl qualification is also a bonus.

 

[Sammyjunn]

Griezmann has a buyout clause, And replacing Wayne rooney as the face of the Man united's attack is an opportunity too good to pass. Ucl qualification is also a bonus.

Atletico still have to agree with it, it isnt like the normal buyout clause. It is forced for Spanish clubs to implement them. And he isnt keen to move himself either. I hope Griezmann but not too hopeful. He is a star.

 

[prtk0811]

For what its worth Ozil has been one of Geemany's best player and has been one of the best Premier League players in his two first seasons. He is struggling now but so is the entire club Arsenal, what does that prove?

No germany's best player has always been Muller , Ozil lacks consistancy work rate and defensive awareness and hard working ability to press or win the ball back something arsenal has paid for with losses in crucial games against top sides. He always sulks against big sides against better athletes.

 

[Raees]

Well I too think Mata and MKh is better than James Rodriguez.

Mata is a team player with better creativity, better ball circulation, Better Close control in tight spaces and he rarely looses the ball in Posession and is more useful for our philosophy in the team. He is already well settled here and already developed a good chemistry with the team mates so that helps a lot.

James Rodriguez Is a individualistic player but he does not have a strong character and Hard working attitude to be very very good individually like a Zlatan or Ronaldo or bale Robben Rooney Ribery and all great individualitic players have he's is mentally not that strongto be individually so good as those players. He has a Mentality of a Ozil or DiMaria and that is the exact reason Coupled with the midfeild balance that madrid are so desperate to cast him out and cut their losses on him.

A team player who holds the ball creates and makes use of the space in much better way is more important in a team game rather than a individualistic player who is not that good and woudl crack or sulk under pressure . Madrid have won just 1 La liga's in 8 years with Individualitic mentality and barcelona have dominated with team players who elevate the game with the philosophy. Team chemistry is much more important to win Championships than having galactico's upgrade mentality all the time.

Sir Alex had a Mixture of both players but his individualitic players had a very strong character and mentality to be world class players individualitic way and he fed their ego to be that good, and James rodriguez lacks that quality and will never be such a good individualitic player.

So all in all James would be another a square peg in a round hole as we need more wide players for balancing our squad, while individually too he aint United level. Griezmann would cover everything james does, while Mata and Mkh both are better for our philosophy.

Just to make clear. I don't think we should sign him because of the Pogba situation.. they wouldn't work well together. However if I was to build a side, and I was told you have to pick one out of James/Mata/Mkhi.. I'd pick James.

Secondly, Mata is not more creative.. James is a much more adventurous passer and much better in tight spaces, as he can actually beat players with footwork whereas Mata.. protects the ball and tends to go backwards as he knows he can't take players on as often. First touch, both are amazing.

He is not a Ozil, or Di Maria.. those two are support players, whereas James is more of a star man, he's more like a Riquelme style of 10, where he wants to be allowed to run the show on his terms. At Madrid, he was being asked to be a support player and he doesn't have the mindset to do that.. whereas Mata is a consumate team man, Rodriguez likes to be the star. At United, we need more Star players as the squad is filled with vanilla personalities.

Totally disagree with the ramble on Fergie and James lacking the ego/mental strength to lead a side. His very nature is to be that star player.

The issue with James is, is he good enough to build a side around and challenge for titles? if that is the concern you have.. it is justified, because doing it for Columbia is one thing, doing it for a big club is another. But if the issue is, does he have it in him to be a star player for a side, I disagree because he loves to be centre stage and take responsibility.

Your last paragraph, I agree with.. I am not sure if he's the right player for us at this moment in time. We have priorities elsewhere.

 

[SachinJ22]

Mkhi is super talented, on paper the most electric of the trio and the most suited to playing for any top side.. but he has the worst mentality of the three. Very weak and flakey.. and I don't think he has the cajones to get the most out of his talent. Does he have the mentality to play for a club like United? and be the guy who carries a team on his back? I don't think so.

How do you know that he has a bad mentality? Have you coached him? Or do you know him personally? He was not being played by Mourinho yet he don't say anything against Mourinho. At least he has a better mentality than Di Maria who got scared just because his house was burglarized.

 

[prtk0811]

Atletico still have to agree with it, it isnt like the normal buyout clause. It is forced for Spanish clubs to implement them. And he isnt keen to move himself either. I hope Griezmann but not too hopeful. He is a star.

They are 4th in the league as well, and Atletico can not pay top wages united can for a player of that quality who in his prime can have a last or second last big contract in his playing career.

 

[Raees]

How do you know that he has a bad mentality? Have you coached him? Or do you know him personally? He was not being played by Mourinho yet he don't say anything against Mourinho. At least he has a better mentality than Di Maria who got scared just because his house was burglarized.

Saying someone is mentally stronger than Di Maria and is therefore United standard is like saying someone is intelligent because they scored higher on an IQ test than Donald Trump.

His previous managers have commented on his mental frailties, Mourinho clearly took objection to it and we are seeing for ourselves how he goes AWOL in games and lacks consistency.

 

[MadMike]

Isco's the one entering the final year of his contract and the better player of the two. I'd rather bid for him. If he's interested in coming, he won't cost more than James who's got 3 years left.

Basically what RM are trying to do is offload the problem that is James so they can promise more minutes to Isco and get him to sign a new contract, whilst using the James money to fund their next Galactico purchase. I know it sounds petty, but I don't feel like doing them any favours at all. I'd be happy to see them lose Isco and have to wait till De Gea's contract is expiring for them to sign him.

 

[Rhyme Animal]

Have you forgotten that they also got Ibra (for free), Mkhi and Bailly? These players would have never joined us if we had some other manager.

No, I haven't forgotten, I just said that the Pogba transfer and how that 90m has subsequently been used has made me "a bit less confident in the Mourinho Woodward combo".

Woodward's reign has brought very little success, yet he's been willing to spend a lot of money (I believe he truly loves the club, actually), both in fees and wages.

Players like Mkhi and Bailly are the absolute minimum of what Utd should be expecting with the money we generate and spend and the wages we offer. I'm not gonna say that signing Mkhi or Bailly has, on it's own filled me with an untouchable confidence in Woodward and Mourinho because it hasn't.

They're both good players, and I want them both here, but we're talking about the most expensive team in the league, and the highest paid team in the league - struggling to make top 4.

Players like Rodriguez are not the answer, we need to start using our financial muscle to dismantle rival PL teams like Fergie used to do.

I'd rather offer Deli Alli 300k a week than sign 2 Rodriguez type players, and I'd rather break transfer records for players that there's no gamble with - Kane, Romelu, Sanchez etc - than players who've never proven whether they're actually suited to the PL.

And, again, in case the point is missed - we need to start using our financial muscle to dismantle rival PL teams.

Real Madrid cast-offs are not the answer.

 

[Sammyjunn]

No germany's best player has always been Muller , Ozil lacks consistancy work rate and defensive awareness and hard working ability to press or win the ball back something arsenal has paid for with losses in crucial games against top sides. He always sulks against big sides against better athletes.

No he hasnt, it is incredibly unfair to write that off to Ozil, whole Arsenal bar Sanchez arent good enough in big matches. I agree he's a bit of a fair weather player but Arsenal know what they got when they signed him, he has performed well in multiple top matches, see Chelsea this season for example or multipe Clasico's, but I agree, when the team is shit, he wont make the difference.

 

[Sammyjunn]

They are 4th in the league as well, and Atletico can not pay top wages united can for a player of that quality who in his prime can have a last or second last big contract in his playing career.

They can finish 3rd easily in a better league, we are 6th in an inferior one, thats no argument. On wages agreed.

 

[predator]

Get him signed. He has a screamer in his locker at all times.

 

[Macern]

We need rapid wingers like Salah, not another Mata

 

[GM K]

Most of the player you're talking about made a great name at RM, what has James done? He is a Madrid flop, and Idk about you, but I wouldn't like a player that flopped at Madrid for 60 m quids. Simple as that.

I wouldn't describe James as a flop. He's done pretty well when given game time.

 

[djdhrubs]

Very unlikely to come. Very much a non Mourinho attacking player.

 

[GM K]

Well same was said about Ozil, Madrid have a reason of letting players go. They dont let go top notch world class players also for that cheap for which they paid double the amount.

Isn't Madrid like the rich billionaire who gets rid of his latest Ferrari just because there's a new Bentley in town?