It doesn't need to be James, Mourinho needs to find someone similar to Deco or Sneijder. We need to add another dimension to our attacking play which we don't have!
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Not Mkhi. Mkhi plays but so does Hamez
Although I'm not entirely sold because of his lifestyle, that guy has a wand of a left foot. He scores impossible goals at times. Quite unique. Almost on par with Adriano at times.
Rumours:
PEA seems to be on the list but not a top priority for the new sporting director according to some reports.
Ben Arfa is likely to leave >>> James is obviously seen as an upgrade. Question mark about his professionalism out the pitch.
Krychowiak is likely to leave >>> PSG will try to get Fabinho or/and Seri
GK: Donnaruma, oblak
Defense: Mathieu
Pepe (RM) will certainly join PSG
Los Blancos want €70m for the player.
All along he's had the feel of a PSG player, they like flexing their financial muscles each summer and there aren't many 'top' players who cost a bomb that are willing to move to a lesser league like the French one but James (to me at least) had the feel of that kind
Was nailed on for PSG from the beginning, plenty of posters had a similar feeling
Fabregas?
They wanted 90M for Morata and they didn't get that. In another post i said we could get both for around £100M and i still believe we could, IF...
Everybody know is James is a failure in Madrid given his acquisition price (90M of euros) and expectations following his WC14. They can't publicly claim they expect an amount close to 90M.
RM could and should have sold Morata last summer for something like 50M. His market value can't exceed 25M IMO
To fail you have to be given a fair crack of the whip. Stats say Hamez wasn't. As for his value I would say he will be sold in the end for about €50M around £40M.
His price is low as he dont play and he wants out and the club want his wages off their books for new players. Its not like its Ronaldo.
When Real Madrid spent 90M for James, the underlying rationale was 'The 22-year-old player has the potential to be the next Boss of RM and the next Ballon d'or'
The term 'failure' is maybe harsh but there is gap the expectations in 2014 and his real impact between 2014-17.
Good luck to him.
I suppose, but again he had a good first season and then was over looked and got played less and less. He did fine when he actually played. Just did not play enough or consistantly often enough. Be hard for his form not to suffer when you play one game in 3. Im not surprised he wants out.
You put up with it for a while because you are winning and cant really complain but when nothing changes, you want out. If he was only half as uncommitted or unproductive as some on here thought. He'd sit tight and collect his wages winning things.
The lad wants to play.
Really wanted him to be our new 10. He would add so much to our game. I don't believe in a midfield 3 without a proper 10, it won't work, James would have been brilliant as 10 with Pogba and Fabinho behind him and Morata upfront, gutted to see him go to PSG.
The flaw in your argument is that you are assuming we will be playing 4-3-3 and not 4-2-3-1.
We will not be playing 4-3-3, as we do not have the personnel to do so. Starting DM+Pogba+Herrera will leaves us lacking creativity in the final 3rd. Our attacking trio will likely be Rashford + Morata+Mkhi, which are predominantly goal scorers not creators. Morata will be the #9 while Rashford will start as a LWF (and start as #9 when Morata is absent). Mourinho will not leave Rashford on the bench and stunt his development. Mata was our most creative player last season and a 4-3-3 will basically relegate him to obscurity.
Also we dont have enough subs to support the CM, with our only confirmed backup being Fellaini, which would be a massive drop in quality from either Pogba or Herrera. On the other hand, we would have Mata, Lingard, and Martial as subs for the attack with Mata being poorly suited to the system.
Also Mourinho expects goals from the midfield, and playing 4-3-3 would make that less likely with the attacking trio bearing the bulk of the scoring responsibility.
To play 4-3-3 next season, would require we sell Mata, and bring in 1 or 2 CMs and a top quality creative right winger that can draw defenders and/or unlock defences (which Perisic is not the answer)
From all indications and Mourinho's history, we are more than likely going to be playing 4-2-3-1 in most games and that requires a #10 and James is the best available currently. If he comes, he will not be sitting on the bench. Of course we can get another #10, I just dont see anyone that is better than James in the market even at his rumored price. Morata hinting that he hoped to be in the same club with James next season, and given that we seem to be the only club interested in Morata, would suggest that we have also expressed an interest in James. Also James is a player that can score from midfield which is what Mourinho desires and he has spent most of his time at Madrid playing as a CM in a 4-3-3 which negates the argument that he cant drop back and help in midfield.
I personally do not see the need for the wide player, and I am more doubtful that our choice would be Perisic at the rumored prices. We do need a wide player, as Mourinho himself rarely plays with one. He prefers his 'wingers' to play towards the center and currently we have Rashford, Mkhi, Martial and Lingard for those spots. Mata would be a backup to James or whoever comes in as a #10.
If we miss out on James, I doubt it is cos we were not interested. Maybe unwilling to match the price tag and feel we can get better value elsewhere.
He's such a PSG signing.
The flaw in your critique of my post is that you've somehow come up with the idea I said we would be playing 433? In the first line of my previous post I said we will be predominantly playing 451, let me repeat that for you four, five, one and not 433. Now its a more complicated argument if you're going on the basis of us shifting formation depending on possession but in starting the vast majority of games either in the league or in Europe we are and as Jose does going to setup with a defensive formation being 451.
In terms of the subs for midfield if lets say we brought in Fabinho (Given the rumours) that would give us 5 midfielders alongside Carrick, Herrera, Fellaini and Mensah (thats if he doesn't go on loan) which unless barring injury I'm is just enough to cover 3 positions barring shift in formation.
Mata, Mkhi, Martial, Lingard and Rashford are all viable options even if it isn't some of their ideal positions. if we sign Perisic he is likely to make the left side which is where he plays for Inter. We would still have Valencia pushing forward from RB so having an out and out winger on the right isn't really needed.
On bringing in James and goals from midfield which has been an issue I commented on this in a previous thread. I DO NOT see us going for him considering we are chasing Morata who is the priority in terms of what the squad most certainly needs. If we hypothetically play a 3 of Fabinho, Herrera and Pogba that will leave no space for a James No10 player as Pogba will be the one of the 3 in midfield told to push forward and contribute in goals and assists. Herrera will come second in that respect. I also never at any point said James could drop back into midfield.
You've agreed and disagreed with yourself on the winger debate three times, in one sentence you said we don't and do need a wide player? Which is it?
If we miss out on James its because he doesn't want to come to us. It is very simple you either want to go there or you don't.
Dunno who that is but Darmian is a good player just taking his time getting use to the PL pace.
He's been here for two seasons and has been poor. That's enough time.
Jose disagrees.
We shall see at the end of this summer. Doubt Mourinho thinks he has a long term future at this club.
I did not miss your reference to 451, but your conclusion that James would be on the bench is only logical if a #10 is not required which makes it a 4-3-3 essentially (with the 2 WFs playing deeper). If a #10 is required, then James will not be sitting on the bench cos he would be the best player for the position. Your subsequent analysis, in which we start Fabinho+Pogba+Herrera supports by conclusion that what you refer to as 4-5-1 is essentially 4-3-3.
I am sure you dont expect Mourinho to go into the season relying on any of Carrick, Fellaini or Mensah to be starting CMs which is what would happen if any of Pogba, Herrera or DM (assuming Fabinho) is lost to injury or suspension. That is a serious drop in quality that we cannot afford and doubt Mourinho would risk.
We are not going to be playing a midfield 3 in our base formation. It will be Pogba +DM/Fabinho in a 4-2-3-1 with Herrera on the bench. Herrera will start when either Pogba or Fabinho is absent and the occasional game in which we do play 4-3-3. While many fans may not like it, but Herrera will spend a lot of time next season on the bench.
The above on the need for a wide player had typos, so I 'll try to clarify. There will always be a player on the flank, but his job is not to provide width and thus the purported need for an outright winger is false. Width would be provided by the full backs. Mkhi and Rashford will be on the flanks but not to provide width. Rashford would be a more direct goals threat like an SS while Mkhi would drift centrally to reinforce the #10. Perisic is not really an upgrade on any of the other players we currently have and he is definitely not going to start ahead of Rashford.
Morata and James have different roles. Morata basically replaces Zlatan, while James addresses the need for a quality CAM/#10. Yes Morata is priority cos we dont really have a starting #9 but buying Morata does not really change the need to upgrade over Mata for the #10 spot. If we dont get a new #10, then we will be persisting with Mata next season.
Even if James wants to come, (and rumors are he does) it also depends on United and Madrid agreeing on a price. If an agreement cannot be reached, James preference is irrelevant. He might prefer united, but if PSG reaches an agreement with Madrid, he would have to join PSG (similar to Di Maria joining United).
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A 4-5-1 is essentially a counter attacking, super safe 4-3-3. Jose is not going to rely on that system all year. He's going to play 4-2-3-1 and pound all those lower table teams. The best attack all year has been a midfield 2 (pogba, Herrera) with a #10 (fellani, mata). A major issue with the team is a second option for goals, James can cover that.James is such a PSG or Arsenal type player if there ever was one.
Think Jose was using everyone at his disposal come what may last season. Darmian for me doesn't offer enough going forward or in possession. Us Buying an Italian international defender I expected a lot more and have been really disappointed by him. If you think he's good enough fair enough then that's your opinion but don't tell us what Jose thinks as none of us really know yet. For all we know he might choose him to stay for his ability to cover both flanks. But I'd be very surprised if he was our regular left back the forth coming season.
Yeah he should move and have a new challenge
Our creativity last season wasn't s huge issue, we created the chances, plenty of them, so we don't need him to unlock anything, just need a good consistent finisher.
That your opinion. We did miss a few agreed but we did not create nearly enough chances for all our dominance. Thus too many draws
I got no problem with having more creativity and imagination in the side.
We are among the top in terms of chances created
Think you've dodged one here.
I don't rate him.
I don't rate him.
Confidence player. Do not want.
I thought our creativity was definitely a problem. We managed to get the ball close to the opposition box a fair amount, but the approach play was slow and passing tempo even slower. A more creative team would have broken the defensive line on a more regular basis. As it was, we made it easy for goalkeepers by taking an age to get into dangerous positions.
When average 'keepers put in world class performances against us week after week, you can't claim that it's a coincidence. Our creativity was shit last season. It's not just about the taking shots from good positions. It's about being less predictable about it.
When average 'keepers put in world class performances against us week after week, you can't claim that it's a coincidence. Our creativity was shit last season. It's not just about the taking shots from good positions. It's about being less predictable about it.
Much rather have Morata considering our needs, he is also the better player in my opinion. Hopefully I'm not
proven wrong.
proven wrong.
I agree with you on imagination, whilst I personally believe we were creative enough, we did lack imagination in terms of how we were being creative.
I dont care what stats say, sick at looking at would be, back-pass type shots easily being collected by keepers being counted as shots on goal. We are not a team that creates wave upon wave of chances on a regular basis. And a game changer type player with that killer ball ability who pops up all over the pitch is exactly what we need. Some will say Mata and i'd agree but Hamez is an upgrade on Mata and Lingard of that there is no doubt.
My only doubt on him will be able to adapt to the prem
Who led the team in chances created and assists?
Pogba chances created I think.
Yes Pogba had the most chances created and Herrera the most assist, but they also played more minutes. If looked at per 90 mins, Mata created the most chances but herrera still led in assists rate.
The top rate of created chances by Mata is 2.45 which is much lower than the >3.0 rate we see for the top AMs in the other teams. That a player like Herrera who was primarily a DM last season led the team in assists is even more worrying. This is before we consider the quality of chances created.
Mata is the best we have but he is not good enough.
Different players that fill different needs. We need both a #9 and a #10
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