Griezmann or not, this ain't happening.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
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especially given the turn that Griezmann thread took recently.
Did he really need white text?
Obviously he's being sarcastic and implying Lingard is shit. Not everything needs to be spelled out in white text.
Well if there is any truth in him being a fall back option to Antoine, I'd be really happy. I consider James an overall better player than Antoine(keeping in mind they're two different kind of players who play in two different positions). Not that I'm biased towards James because he is Colombian but replacing Rooney with James would lift us a few levels.
We wont buy a Madrid player this summer
I'd rather have him miles ahead of anyone besides Griez/Lacazette (that's left and not unobtainable). Just sign him and hope he transforms us somehow.
So to summarize:
Buy James for the start of the season with promise to swap deal in place with Atleti for Griezmann in the next Winter or Summer transfer window. Griezmann saves face, James gets revenge on RM, all parties are satisfied.
- Griezmann doesn't want to leave Atleti on bad terms because they have no way to replace him until Spring 2018.
- James doesn't feel appreciated by Zidane; rumoured to go to OT this summer.
- United have their hands tied but need to improve on their abysmal goal tally.
Buy James for the start of the season with promise to swap deal in place with Atleti for Griezmann in the next Winter or Summer transfer window. Griezmann saves face, James gets revenge on RM, all parties are satisfied.
With B.Silva lost, Griezmann out and Isco most likely to get a contract renewal, James is probably the best #10 out there that we could get at a reasonable price this summer.
The question is, is he that much better than Mata/Mkhi that he warrants spunking a considerable fee on? Or should we just hold on to what we've got for now while expecting an improved 2nd season from Mkhi and waiting out for Griezmann next year? Do we need a #10 that badly? Or should we focus on getting a #9, a CM a LB and maybe a natural winger this year and postpone the #10 decision to next year?
But if we don't plan to return for Griezmann, is there a #10 out there that could improve significantly enough in a year's time to command a transfer and a starting spot? Because if not, we might need to make the move for James now that he's available or in a years time there might not be a #10 of this quality in the market. All the other exceptional #10s (like Dybala, Thiago, KDB etc) seem to be already owned up by big teams with little possibility of them moving.
The question is, is he that much better than Mata/Mkhi that he warrants spunking a considerable fee on? Or should we just hold on to what we've got for now while expecting an improved 2nd season from Mkhi and waiting out for Griezmann next year? Do we need a #10 that badly? Or should we focus on getting a #9, a CM a LB and maybe a natural winger this year and postpone the #10 decision to next year?
But if we don't plan to return for Griezmann, is there a #10 out there that could improve significantly enough in a year's time to command a transfer and a starting spot? Because if not, we might need to make the move for James now that he's available or in a years time there might not be a #10 of this quality in the market. All the other exceptional #10s (like Dybala, Thiago, KDB etc) seem to be already owned up by big teams with little possibility of them moving.
Why would James want to join Atletico and take a massive wage cut? Seriously, no one in their right mind would accept that.
Not to mention what if he sucks/is amazing?
Not to mention what if he sucks/is amazing?
I meant Real and Atletico. No, not specifically. If we want a poayer not for sale, only De Gea would have to be included. A player for sale like James will go to the highest bidder. Real wouldnt reject 60m from us and accept Inter's 40m
Bring James, Lacazette with that Perisic and I'll be happy overall with the attacking options we add. James will be more than a great replacement for Griezmann imo. Also he and Lacazette together will probably cost the same we would have paid for Griezmann.
I agree on the last sentence, so why don't you think we'll sign a Mardid player?
The only players available and interesting for us are James and Morata. I dont see us getting Morata and James we dont want.
I'm not sure we don't want James, we could well do. I'm sure he wasn't our first option though, Greizmann and B.Silva were probably the two highest on the list for that position. But he could be a 3rd or 4th option and thus come into play now. A lot depends on how the Griezmann situation ended and if we see going back for him next year or not. I don't see Mourinho renewing Mata's contract, Rooney's on the way out and Lingard is not a #10 to rely on. There is a genuine opening for a #10 and James could simply be the best available option.
Griezmann will have a £120 million buyout after he signs a new contract if we dont get him now it will be off forever.
United need to close this before we miss out on another quality player and are left to go after Barkley for 50m.
Also getting James could help with Morata.
Also getting James could help with Morata.
I agree with you on probably the best, proven and established number 10 available and at the right age. I do think he is an improvement on Mata, not a uge one on the talent of Miki, but a huge one on the Miki we have seen this season bar rare patches. The thing is I DONT think we need a number 10, we have seemed to have signed loads of them all the way back to Kagawa and none of them have played as a number 10 and wont if we are playing the general Mourinho formation. Whole reason I wasnt bothered as much as most in losing out on Griezman.
What we havent signed really for a while is a proper quality wide player. Depay was a flop, DiMaria was wasted on the wing, Martial is for me a striker. We missed out big time I think on the likes of Mora and Dembele going to Dortmund. Somebody like that or a Kingsley Coman would be the perfect signing for me, would love to know any Turkish fans on the young player Under as well. I think that type of player would be more valuable to us than a James or even Griezmann if we can get the right one that settles, have we actually signed a rally good winger since Ronaldo left I wonder as Valencia only seemed to do it for 18 months for me and I cant think of any others?
Sure we will sign a number 9 as Martial and Rashford are both potnetially really exciting strikers for me, starters yet is debatable and neither are really in the Mourinho striker mould are they.....but we still need someone on the flanks too I think
Could get a striker and James for the A.G money.
about time the thread title was changed
how do you know? Maybe they are giving him a payrise for his loyalty with the agreement the clause stays the same and he can leave next year.
I think we can take some positive if we end up with James.
- James IMO actually had the same talent and potential as Griezmann and he's cheaper than Griezmann
- We need someone who can take corner kick and James is the man
- Potentially good for shirt selling (Colombian who are fans of James)
There are actually more positives such as James himself is more creative but aagin our problem is only our striker ever scores which is why a player like Griezmann would have been perfect.So these are the only positives you could come up with?
So these are the only positives you could come up with?
What more?
I have mentioned ability, talent, what he can offer to what we need right now and money. Not enough?
Nah, it's because you put 2 bullet points(ones of them being he can take corners) I thought you were sort of trying to point out there wasn't much good that could come of the transfer
Nah, it's because you put 2 bullet points(ones of them being he can take corners) I thought you were sort of trying to point out there wasn't much good that could come of the transfer
lol Im trying to compare it with Griezmann's one. I'm not going to say James is better in creativity and end product than Griezmann lol. I'm mentioning the benefit that we can get from James over Griezmann. Although I prefer Bale than James. We need a winger not a no 10!!
Dont need another medical studentlol Im trying to compare it with Griezmann's one. I'm not going to say James is better in creativity and end product than Griezmann lol. I'm mentioning the benefit that we can get from James over Griezmann. Although I prefer Bale than James. We need a winger not a no 10!!
Don't know how he is considered to be an injury prone when before 2016 he always can stay fit.
In the last two seasons, he has been out injured for 2.5months and >3 months respectively. In the 3 season prior he was out for over a month in two out of the 3 season. In 8 seasons, he has been out injured for less than a month in only two season.
His injuries are compounding and his injury record has been getting worse
We are now midway through 2017...
2016 to midway 2017. I think it's fair to say that's not what we call as an injury prone.
I hope you are one of the guy who doesn't want Veratti because he's an injury prone according to your comment about Bale.
I dont see the point in investing a lot of money in a player who misses a significant number of games every season.
I can't remember him missed a significant number of games every season before 2016 so worth the risk IMO.
He will miss 31 games this season and missed 15 last season. In 2010/11 he was out for 3 month and missed 7 games as it was luckily towards the end of the season.
There are more games for the bigger clubs and thus risks of injury is higher. Also cos of the busier schedule, an injury at a critical point can derail the season. Madrid have enough depth to accommodate such, we currently do not.
Hope we get him, was my third choice behind Griezmann and silva.
Is it better to get the 'third choice' now and forget Greizmann, or wait, hold on to someone we might have sold, and get Griezmann next summer?
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