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James Rodriguez - should we go for him?

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Is it better to get the 'third choice' now and forget Greizmann, or wait, hold on to someone we might have sold, and get Griezmann next summer?
Yes, we need jamez to save this season. I think it has worked out well for him, he might get his move to us.
 
I think we will see movement on this and Morata(us or Milan) next week,maybe also De gea.
 
He will miss 31 games this season and missed 15 last season. In 2010/11 he was out for 3 month and missed 7 games as it was luckily towards the end of the season.

There are more games for the bigger clubs and thus risks of injury is higher. Also cos of the busier schedule, an injury at a critical point can derail the season. Madrid have enough depth to accommodate such, we currently do not.

I can't see missed 7 games is considered to be a significant number of games. He started to missed them since 2016 not "every season".
 
I can't see missed 7 games is considered to be a significant number of games. He started to missed them since 2016 not "every season".

I think part of the concern is because he's getting recurrent injuries. Most of his injuries are muscular and in particular calf muscles.
 
I dont I'm guessing like you but can you really see it staying the same?

It is possible i dont see why gRiezmann would agree to a new deal with a higher clause when he is only staying out of respect.
i could be wrong but i think Atletico promised him he could leave next year to his club of choice if he stays.
 
James Rodriguez is an extremely efficient attacking player when played through the middle as a CM in a midfield 3 or AM in a diamond. In 1049 minutes vs La Liga and Champions League competition (transfermarket numbers), James has 7 goals and 8 assists. That's an impressive goal or assist every 69.9 minutes played. In the same role against the same level of competition, Isco has 9 goals and 9 assists in 1823 minutes of playing time. Isco's 101.3 minutes per goal or assist is very good but not near the efficiency of James.

Playing AM a midfield diamond or CM in a midfield 3 would, I believe, give Jose a very dynamic, creative focal point for an attack that produces the goals needed to win a PL title. James also would be the left footed set piece taker, a role that has been very weak for United in recent years. As it appears Real are really wanting to send James packing and he actually wants United, this would be a good time to buy if Jose wants an efficient, creative playmaker directing his attack.
 
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It is possible i dont see why gRiezmann would agree to a new deal with a higher clause when he is only staying out of respect.
i could be wrong but i think Atletico promised him he could leave next year to his club of choice if he stays.
Lets hope thats right
 
Real have been trying to move him for 2 seasons now. Reality is he is extremely one footed and slow. A few goals against weak opposition may pad his stats but he isn't anywhere near a player top clubs will be interested in.

Everyone is looking for quick dynamic players who can interchange positions, beat a man and play quick direct football. His style is too predictable and slow, he can't beat anyone for pace and everyone knows to push him to his right foot in the final third. The only plus is his passing range with his left foot, but he isn't creative enough to really be a playmaker to build around and he doesn't defend well enough to be a midfielder. My guess is he'll end up in Italy. Slower league, lower expectations and weaker teams.
 
Doesn't even make the bench. That has to hurt.

Well everyone knows he's off, can't really be surprised.

Real have been trying to move him for 2 seasons now. Reality is he is extremely one footed and slow. A few goals against weak opposition may pad his stats but he isn't anywhere near a player top clubs will be interested in.

Everyone is looking for quick dynamic players who can interchange positions, beat a man and play quick direct football. His style is too predictable and slow, he can't beat anyone for pace and everyone knows to push him to his right foot in the final third. The only plus is his passing range with his left foot, but he isn't creative enough to really be a playmaker to build around and he doesn't defend well enough to be a midfielder. My guess is he'll end up in Italy. Slower league, lower expectations and weaker teams.

He scores goals. We lack goals. We don't need another player who's quick and has no end product, we already have Martial doing that. I'd love him here assuming the price isn't insane. Have you even seen his stats?
 
Real have been trying to move him for 2 seasons now. Reality is he is extremely one footed and slow. A few goals against weak opposition may pad his stats but he isn't anywhere near a player top clubs will be interested in.

Everyone is looking for quick dynamic players who can interchange positions, beat a man and play quick direct football. His style is too predictable and slow, he can't beat anyone for pace and everyone knows to push him to his right foot in the final third. The only plus is his passing range with his left foot, but he isn't creative enough to really be a playmaker to build around and he doesn't defend well enough to be a midfielder. My guess is he'll end up in Italy. Slower league, lower expectations and weaker teams.
According to you, immediately after his first season, in which he had 13 goals +13 assists in la liga and was voted la liga's best midfielder, Real wanted to get rid of him? Its one thing to not like or want a player, but you shouldn't go as far as making up stories or making false claims.

That player you described as limited (which he is not) has 8 goals and 6 assists while starting only 13 games, including scoring against a 'weak' barcelona in el classico after only 5mins on the pitch. Not many can match such output with his limited minutes.

Till present, Madrid do not want to sell him. It is James that wants to leave to get more playing time.
 
I wouldn't still go for him . Yes, we could not get Griezmann but I believe it is because of the specific situation that Atletico is in right now. Come next summer, I think he is ours. What is the point of buying him when we can have Griezmann next summer? He is not cheap and will be very difficult to sell.
 
Well everyone knows he's off, can't really be surprised.



He scores goals. We lack goals. We don't need another player who's quick and has no end product, we already have Martial doing that. I'd love him here assuming the price isn't insane. Have you even seen his stats?

I'm an advocate of signing him if a) we want a #10 b) the price is not insane and c) he wants to come. I don't want him just as a marquee signing if the rest don't make sense.

However, we gotta be careful with stats coming out of that team. The whole team is extremely strong in a very unbalanced league. When teams fall behind against Real, they keel over. Hence attacking players have very good stats. You can see Real and Barca have 100+ goals in the league when the best team in the EPL is at what? 65? When James steps on the pitch he is surrounded by world quality players and the opposition is usually some mid-table or below team (since he's not in the team for the big games). So yeah, pinch of salt and all that.

But yeah there's a good player in him, no doubt.
 
I wouldn't still go for him . Yes, we could not get Griezmann but I believe it is because of the specific situation that Atletico is in right now. Come next summer, I think he is ours. What is the point of buying him when we can have Griezmann next summer? He is not cheap and will be very difficult to sell.
So we squander one season on the hope that Griezmann will join us next summer? That is the silliest thing I have heard in a while. If Griezmann doesnt join this summer, what assurances do you have that he would join next year.

You sign the best players that fit the manager's scheme and you can sign at every point in time.
 
Why would he, he's out of the door already.

A Bale James double swoop would be just..:drool:
He could still make an impact off the bench like when he did so in the Classico a few weeks ago.
 
So we squander one season on the hope that Griezmann will join us next summer? That is the silliest thing I have heard in a while. If Griezmann doesnt join this summer, what assurances do you have that he would join next year.

You sign the best players that fit the manager's scheme and you can sign at every point in time.

I didn't say he will definitely sign, it is just my gut feeling. It is clear that there is a mutual interest.
Second, I don't think James will be the best option. He is not a massive upgrade to Mata and he will not massively upgrade our squad.
 
I didn't say he will definitely sign, it is just my gut feeling. It is clear that there is a mutual interest.
Second, I don't think James will be the best option. He is not a massive upgrade to Mata and he will not massively upgrade our squad.
Unless he can play up front; he won't be here
 
According to you, immediately after his first season, in which he had 13 goals +13 assists in la liga and was voted la liga's best midfielder, Real wanted to get rid of him? Its one thing to not like or want a player, but you shouldn't go as far as making up stories or making false claims.

That player you described as limited (which he is not) has 8 goals and 6 assists while starting only 13 games, including scoring against a 'weak' barcelona in el classico after only 5mins on the pitch. Not many can match such output with his limited minutes.

Till present, Madrid do not want to sell him. It is James that wants to leave to get more playing time.
What nonsense are you babbling? He has been at real for 3 seasons, the noises linking him everywhere started 2 summers ago. These noises arnt making themselves up, they are coming from inside Madrid. They are moves to try to drum up interest in the player. They player wants to stay its the club that wants to move him on after finding he isn't a good fit. Player has scored 8 and 11 goals in 32 appearances hardly a special player unlike what you are imagining. Apply some critical thinking and read in between the lines. If he was so good everyone would be trying to buy wouldn't they. Lol isn't even on the bench for the final, shows how much they think of him. Won't even get 40 pounds for him i think.
 
However, we gotta be careful with stats coming out of that team. The whole team is extremely strong in a very unbalanced league. When teams fall behind against Real, they keel over. Hence attacking players have very good stats. You can see Real and Barca have 100+ goals in the league when the best team in the EPL is at what? 65? When James steps on the pitch he is surrounded by world quality players and the opposition is usually some mid-table or below team (since he's not in the team for the big games). So yeah, pinch of salt and all that.

Chelsea and Spurs have scored 85+ goals this season and Man city have scored 80 goals(Not sure from where u got that 65 number). So that 15+ extra goals scored by Real and Barcelona does not mean that goal scoring is very easy in la liga. Real and Barcelona have scored those goals just because two GOATs are playing for them. If they were playing in EPL, Chelsea/City would have scored 100+ goals too IMO. So please stop downplaying Real and Barcelona's attacking powers.
 
I'm not convinced this is the best idea. If he's the best version I've seen of him he'll be great and one of the best players in the PL. The other alternative that I fear is that he's another one that's too much of a striker/attacker who needs others to feed him, and lacks mobility and quality in tight spaces to succeed in a team that isn't a top one. I'd personally rather our number 10 be someone who excels in close spaces in the silva/ozil mould.
 
I didn't say he will definitely sign, it is just my gut feeling. It is clear that there is a mutual interest.
Second, I don't think James will be the best option. He is not a massive upgrade to Mata and he will not massively upgrade our squad.
Unfortunately, your gut feeling does not count for much. Nobody know what the situation of Atletico will be by next summer e.g. they get costa or Lacazette. They could have become a better team challenging for silverware better than they are currently and Griezmman is even more reluctant to leave. We on the other hand, by failing to sign the quality players avaialble, may end up failing to build on the success of last season, by genuinely contesting in both PL and CL. If we cant get him this summer, we should move on, and we can revealuate everything again next summer.

James is the best #10 in the market (and probably the best pure #10 in the world), he is better and more physical than mata, very good goal scorer, very good on set pieces, wants to come and has a point to prove. There are very few players that are massive upgrades on other very good players, but those fine margins can be the difference between winning the PL and finishing 5th. Even so, such great players are rarely available in the market, and when they are, you will pay a much higher fee e.g. Pogba.

For me, if we can get James and Morata, with Rashford and MKhi in a front 4, we should have enough fire power to contend for both PL and CL.
 
What nonsense are you babbling? He has been at real for 3 seasons, the noises linking him everywhere started 2 summers ago. These noises arnt making themselves up, they are coming from inside Madrid. They are moves to try to drum up interest in the player. They player wants to stay its the club that wants to move him on after finding he isn't a good fit. Player has scored 8 and 11 goals in 32 appearances hardly a special player unlike what you are imagining. Apply some critical thinking and read in between the lines. If he was so good everyone would be trying to buy wouldn't they. Lol isn't even on the bench for the final, shows how much they think of him. Won't even get 40 pounds for him i think.
What you are saying is simply not true. James issues at Madrid started in his second season with lack of playing time under Benitez, before then he was a regular and key contributor under Ancelotti.

Zidane: "I don't see any problems with James—he is an important player. James is important for us. He played well and scored a goal against Eibar and Getafe. He obviously wants to play more, but that's the same for every player who doesn't play all the time. Of course, we have 24 players and I can only pick 11. Sometimes it looks like I always have to make three changes in a game, but I will only do so if I think it is necessary. I am the coach and I have to make decisions."

Ronaldo: "James has his reasons [to leave] and we have to respect them. If he doesn't feel happy and if he wants more, then he should look for the best thing for him. If he asked my opinion, I would tell him to stay. Obviously he has his complaints and the best thing would be that he plays more, but these are very personal things. He has the potential to play for Real Madrid, but he has his reasons and we must respect them."
 
I dont I'm guessing like you but can you really see it staying the same?
Depends entirely on whether Griezmann was just after a better contract (in which case the buyout clause will increase) or if he truly was going to leave this window but decided to stay because of loyalty to Atletico with their transfer ban (in which case the clause will stay roughly the same).
 
James not even got a slot in Madrid's bench tonight... I personally prefer him over Griezman if we ever want to make a marquee signing this summer. Still, a ST and CB should be prioritized though .
 
What you are saying is simply not true. James issues at Madrid started in his second season with lack of playing time under Benitez, before then he was a regular and key contributor under Ancelotti.

Zidane: "I don't see any problems with James—he is an important player. James is important for us. He played well and scored a goal against Eibar and Getafe. He obviously wants to play more, but that's the same for every player who doesn't play all the time. Of course, we have 24 players and I can only pick 11. Sometimes it looks like I always have to make three changes in a game, but I will only do so if I think it is necessary. I am the coach and I have to make decisions."

Ronaldo: "James has his reasons [to leave] and we have to respect them. If he doesn't feel happy and if he wants more, then he should look for the best thing for him. If he asked my opinion, I would tell him to stay. Obviously he has his complaints and the best thing would be that he plays more, but these are very personal things. He has the potential to play for Real Madrid, but he has his reasons and we must respect them."

I dont know if you are a social media consultant hired by jorge mendes or just a james fan (if those still exist). Now the club and his team mates are hardly going to say sorry you arnt good enough and we want to sell you are they. The moment anything of that nature comes out his value would probably drop by 30% as it would signal desperation. As it is his non inclusion in the CL final squad will already lower his price by 5-10 million as it means the relationship has hit rock bottom. To put it another way look at mourinho and other current players comments about rooney. Do you have any doubt the club want him out?
 
I dont know if you are a social media consultant hired by jorge mendes or just a james fan (if those still exist). Now the club and his team mates are hardly going to say sorry you arnt good enough and we want to sell you are they. The moment anything of that nature comes out his value would probably drop by 30% as it would signal desperation. As it is his non inclusion in the CL final squad will already lower his price by 5-10 million as it means the relationship has hit rock bottom. To put it another way look at mourinho and other current players comments about rooney. Do you have any doubt the club want him out?
You can only use ad hominem attacks while you are yet to produce any proof that Madrid wanted to sell him 3 summers ago. You have made a false claim and have provided nothing in support of it. Put up or shut up!
 
I think a 'cheap' deal could be done for James, he's not even in the team tonight its hard for Real to demand a massive fee for a squad player.

I think they'd take £40m, while that's a lot of money its a good deal for someone like James.
 
I think a 'cheap' deal could be done for James, he's not even in the team tonight its hard for Real to demand a massive fee for a squad player.

I think they'd take £40m, while that's a lot of money its a good deal for someone like James.

Anything under £50 million and we should be all over this transfer.
 
You can only use ad hominem attacks while you are yet to produce any proof that Madrid wanted to sell him 3 summers ago. You have made a false claim and have provided nothing in support of it. Put up or shut up!

Where did i say real wanted to sell him 3 summers ago? Are you blind in addition to being dim? To actually rate james i guess that isnt unexpected. Your "best no 10 in the world" isnt even worth of a place on the bench, asensio rated higher than him. Tell your boss jorge mendes to stop hawking dodgy products mate, bad for the brand in the long term.
 
Depends entirely on whether Griezmann was just after a better contract (in which case the buyout clause will increase) or if he truly was going to leave this window but decided to stay because of loyalty to Atletico with their transfer ban (in which case the clause will stay roughly the same).
Well we will see one way or another sadly we will have to wait until next year. Would Utd go for him then especially if we have a good season
 
Where did i say real wanted to sell him 3 summers ago? Are you blind in addition to being dim? To actually rate james i guess that isnt unexpected. Your "best no 10 in the world" isnt even worth of a place on the bench, asensio rated higher than him. Tell your boss jorge mendes to stop hawking dodgy products mate, bad for the brand in the long term.
Madrid wanting to sell him since 3 summers was the debate you butted into. If you had no opinion on it, then you should have stayed out of it.

Madrid plays 4-3-3 and do use a #10. If you feel there is a better player, as a true #10, simply say so, but if you feel Asensio is a better layer than James, then I advise you lay off whatever you have been getting high on.
 
Signing both Morata as a 9 and James for the number 10 position would mark a great improvement for our attack.
 
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