James Rodriguez | joins Bayern Munich | 2 year loan

[prtk0811]

But Balague has been the first reliable source ( if we considered him reliable ) to link us to him. I remember at this time and due to him continuously before denying Jose will manage us, didn't take his news seriously until Di Marzio confirmed it.

Speaking about Di Marzio, we need the man to speak

Whole time its the players camp whos begging united to come and get him and not the other way round. Just an offer from madrid to do dea deal on the cheap, It will turn out Pedro saga i feel and he'll move to a team in london.

The only player i would like from madrid is modric whocan replace carrick or isco, not james because our players dont suit a 4231 which would disturb their balance in their midfield and add exp and quality along with pogba to retire carrick.

 

[el3mel]

Whole time its the players camp whos begging united to come and get him and not the other way round. Just an offer from madrid to do dea deal on the cheap, It will turn out Pedro saga i feel and he'll move to a team in london.

The only player i would like from madrid is modric whocan replace carrick or isco, not james because our players dont suit a 4231 which would disturb their balance in the midfield and add exp and quality along with pogba to retire carrick.

We're not agreeing much these days are we ?

Modric is great but he's 31 years old. Will give us how many years ? one ? two ? he's not going to last long in this age with all physicality of EPL. We should learn from Bastian's deal. Better to go for younger midfielders.

 

[Mihai]

If this was the case the stories would only be coming from the Spanish press. The Colombians wouldn't go along with this.

The Columbians don't have strong connections with United, thus not able to dismiss the rumors. If I were trying to diffuse this rumours to create market for James, I would've leaked them to the Colombian press.

 

[Maradona10]

For the first time i hope Ducker is right. The biggest thing here is Duncan "mourinho/gestifute mouthpiece" castles is shut. He is not saying anything at all. That makes me doubt this. I think james is a good player but that is it. I think we have many good players it is the quality above good players that we need that james cannot provide. This is Thiago/mehdi benatia/ type thing again. Wont be surprised to see him go to PSG/Juve. I would be very sure if james was to come here, we would see duncan castles on that bandwagon very early.

 

[VP89]

What I was meaning that if Spanish journalists are trying to market James name, English journalists very possibly could be trying to counter them. United's official trying to brief the journalists is also an available option for them spreading news that we're not interesting in James.

Yeah I agree - but if that's the case then one club is trying to say he's going to United and United themselves are saying "no no we aren't interested". So I don't think its a case of too much smoke for us not to be in for him - I genuinely think we would pass on him in favour of other targets.

I thought it was James Ducker but think I got confused. It was Jamie Jackson.. Which now when I try to find the tweet seems it's been deleted. But that doesn't surprise me as journalists seem to do it every Summer when they get it wrong.

Ah yeah I remember Jaime Jackson fluffing up on it. I was asking because James Ducker is normally one of the most credible journalists for United info. Weird he left the Times..

 

[prtk0811]

We're not agreeing much these days are we ?

Modric is great but he's 31 years old. Will give us how many years ? one ? two ? he's not going to last long in this age with all physicality of EPL. We should learn from Bastian's deal. Better to go for younger midfielders.

Age is just another number, fitness matters, Besides A positional role like pirlo or alonso wont ask too much of him and can eaisily give us 3-4 years, Alonso deal happened with madrid munich when he was 32 and played good until the end , bastian was too inury prone in munich only so pep let him go.

We have younger mid in pogba and herrera and will buy a dm in the summer , adding little exp could be great specialywhenwe will have cover. A Exp calm head is must in big games in cl, and besides doing a makalele on madrid would be good if we ever loose de gea , We have to alsomake our cl dream dont we?

 

[carvajal]

If finally United pay 70/75 would be a great deal but It means too that the prices in the transfer market will be very high ,including De Gea

 

[::sonny::]

Goodbye Mata

 

[Rolandofgilead]

So then....having seen him play a lot, am i the only one that doesn't rate him at all?

 

[prtk0811]

If finally United pay 70/75 would be a great deal but It means too that the prices in the transfer will be very high ,including De Gea

All summer the players camp is issuing come and get me plea, all the reports are from spain of real offering the players toother clubs including united , and youexpect united to pay 75 m ? like we need the player ?

Linking to united is a tactic to makea market these days.

 

[el3mel]

Age is just another number, fitness matters, Besides A positional role like pirlo or alonso wont ask too much of him and can eaisily give us 3-4 years, Alonso deal happened with madrid munich when he was 32 and played good until the end , bastian was too inury prone in munich only so pep let him go.

We have younger mid in pogba and herrera and will buy a dm in the summer , adding little exp could be great specialywhenwe will have cover. A Exp calm head is must in big games in cl, and besides doing a makalele on madrid would be good if we ever loose de gea , We have to alsomake our cl dream dont we?

Age doesn't matter only when you're talking about Zlatan but regarding a position in the midfield, especially in a premier league, it'll mean a lot. Modric has been used to the rhythm that it'll be hard for him to cope again with the demands of the midfield in EPL regarding physicality. At this age bringing him will be a gamble.

Also he can't be compared with Alonso because the later moved to a less demanding league and his role was distributing the play and balls. Modric is more offensively minded. Different roles and different play style and will be asked for playing in a more demanding a league. Not to mention I don't think Modric's injury record has been that good recently.

At this time the team passing by, we should be focusing on players at their prime, I'll say age 25-28 years, players that have no doubt about them and will perform immediately and give you their best years of their career, not a young talent needing development and not an aging players. These kind of players you bring to a team fully complete and want to enforce it, not a team that needs a rebuild.

 

[KiD MoYeS]

If finally United pay 70/75 would be a great deal but It means too that the prices in the transfer market will be very high ,including De Gea

You're gonna have to pay a lot for de Gea regardless, he's been our best player for three or four years now... Honestly don't see him going for less than £55 to £60 million when he does eventually leave.

 

[Devil may care]

The way the English journos released their articles in an almost coordinated way, gives me hope that the club have briefed them to stop Madrid using us to auction off another one of their expensive misfits.

 

[carvajal]

All summer the players camp is issuing come and get me plea, all the reports are from spain of real offering the players toother clubs including united , and youexpect united to pay 75 m ? like we need the player ?

Linking to united is a tactic to makea market these days.

If Its not United,will be City,Juve,Chelsea or Bayern.I am sure that Mendes will give him a top club.
For Madrid can be interesting to talk with any of these clubs.
The rumors seems pretty solid and from different sources,in Colombia too.
You don't believe because you think that Mourinho doesn't want him,which we don't know.

You're gonna have to pay a lot for de Gea regardless, he's been our best player for three or four years now... Honestly don't see him going for less than £55 to £60 million when he does eventually leave.

Yes,It could be 70-80 m€ too

 

[::sonny::]

 

[Reynoldo]

So Woodies running a betting scam to cover some of the costs. Brief the english media we have no interest then BOOM sign the deal

 

[apotheosis]

This is a example of two teams playing to attack and score in a knockout game, Epl has bus parking defenses in the league who play to get a draw and not conceed a goal , so one is attacking and one is defensive specially against teams who hold so much of the ball and win it back quickly , Something like barcelona and juventus second leg, its very difficult to play quickly ,or you risk loosing the ball numerous times in attack and get countered ,so you are forced to hold so much of the ball passing sideways and backwards or loose the posesion and get countered .

Consistancy is key to win the epl and by consistancy means consistancy to win 3 points against smaller teams in the epl along with the big ones, but there are also 6 top teams in this league now then under fergie which was less competitve so holding the ball also becomes necessary against top 6.

There was a reason sir alex never had a problem against bus parking defenses because he always played direct and counter attacking football with pace and directness . He had very direct and pacey players to get in behind defenses in a counter attack , in nani's ronaldo's park's rooney's antonio valencia withhigh work rate who could also contribute defensively,along with quick passing which came from scholes.

Epl is an unforgiving league, when oppositions parks the bus even quick passing does not help because thereis lack of timeand space both to score a goal , thats where pace is super handy to counter attack.

Im really struggling with how pace helps get in behind bus parking teams mate. I accept it's a huge bonus when there is space in behind to run into, but when there isn't, surely you need intelligence to create space. Our home form has been poor, mostly due to not having the ability to unlock organised defences. We have had pacy options up front in many of those games, but very rarely have we made much use of it. So considering we had access to pace, im struggling to fathom how more pace would have helped.

Zlatan has no pace, but scored 28 goals in a team lacking creativity. Mata has no pace, yet he is second only to Zlatan in league goals. Rashford, Martial and Lingard have that pace to get in behind, yet have still scored far less between them. Yet their pace is somehow still far more preferable than the creative thinking and intelligent movement that players like Mata and Zlatan have to offer. I understand the case for both, but in my view far too much emphasis is placed upon pace, and too many technically gifted players are regularly underrated due to a lack of it.

 

[Paxi]

Means nothing really.

 

[spiriticon]

The last time we took a Real Madrid reject he couldn't wait to feck off to Paris.

This will not end well.

 

[breakout67]

I just remembered that there was a rumour going around the club about a month ago that we were going to sign James Rodriguez. Stephen Howson also said that he heard from some people at the club that the James Rodriguez deal was on at that time. Rodriguez is definitely wanting to leave Madrid since he was clapped off by the fans and it seems we are the front runners. It doesn't mean he'll sign but this isnt just media outlets stirring shit up.

 

[prtk0811]

Age doesn't matter only when you're talking about Zlatan but regarding a position in the midfield, especially in a premier league, it'll mean a lot. Modric has been used to the rhythm that it'll be hard for him to cope again with the demands of the midfield in EPL regarding physicality. At this age bringing him will be a gamble.

Also he can't be compared with Alonso because the later moved to a less demanding league and his role was distributing the play and balls. Modric is more offensively minded. Different roles and different play style and will be asked for playing in a more demanding a league. Not to mention I don't think Modric's injury record has been that good recently.

At this time the team passing by, we should be focusing on players at their prime, I'll say age 25-28 years, players that have no doubt about them and will perform immediately and give you their best years of their career, not a young talent needing development and not an aging players. These kind of players you bring to a team fully complete and want to enforce it, not a team that needs a rebuild.

Age does

Zlatan is 35, scholes giggs were 38 and 40 resp. A Positional role with sitting deep and spraying passes from the deep does not ask too much specially when you have other two midfilders to sheild and protect the third. And besides what could be more of a gamble when he'll just replace a 36 year old carrick on brink of the retirement, could just fill the spot naturally.

Adding him wont mean we wont buy a young dm, We can manage boths game time together. Cl games do require some calmer exp in the middle in big games against top sides , and having a offensive minded player is great for the passing range from the deep as well. Its not like he should play every game, but having a mix of youth and exp is essential in a squad building . He wont be a bad purchase for few years until pogba becomes more exp. Also in case of an injury to pogba he could well fill the passing range role.

 

[GrandJury]

If finally United pay 70/75 would be a great deal but It means too that the prices in the transfer market will be very high ,including De Gea

There's no chance of us paying that. 60 mil euros is the max united would spend.

 

[Summit]

There's no chance of us paying that. 60 mil euros is the max united would spend.

how can you be so sure?

 

[el3mel]

Zlatan is 35, scholes giggs were 38 and 40 resp. A Positional role with sitting deep and spraying passes from the deep does not ask too much specially when you have other two midfilders to sheild and protect the third. And besides what could be more of a gamble when he'll just replace a 36 year old carrick on brink of the retirement, could just fill the spot naturally.

Adding him wont mean we wont buy a young dm, We can manage boths game time together. Cl games do require some calmer exp in the middle in big games against top sides , and having a offensive minded player is great for the passing range from the deep as well. Its not like he should play every game, but having a mix of youth and exp is essential in a squad building . He wont be a bad purchase for few years until pogba becomes more exp. Also in case of an injury to pogba he could well fill the passing range role.

Giggs and Scholes were playing in EPL for too many years they were already used to rhythm of the play here so they could modify their style of play as they goes older to suit the league, Modric has been used to a different and slower rhythm for years now so shifting to a much harder one at this age is a gamble. No deal is a guaranteed failure ( or success ) but still a gamble. Not all players are like Zlatan ( even though I think striker requires less demanding than a midfielder regarding work rate imo, but physicality of Zlatan at this age is superp ).

Also, I think it'll be a waste of his offensive mind if he sets back and just pass the ball here and there, as I said, his style of play is different than Alonso.

I may take him, but only if we bring a younger midfielder for him and he didn't play continuous 90 minutes each game.

 

[prtk0811]

If Its not United,will be City,Juve,Chelsea or Bayern.I am sure that Mendes will give him a top club.
For Madrid can be interesting to talk with any of these clubs.
The rumors seems pretty solid and from different sources,in Colombia too.
You don't believe because you think that Mourinho doesn't want him,which we don't know.

It could be arsenal or psg as well. Rumours were solid for pedro and otamendi too. &75 m for a player who wont contribute more than 10 - 12 goals is madness.

 

[GrandJury]

how can you be so sure?

Because he's not a first team starter and he's pushing for a move.

for slightly more we could get Griezmann. The longer James is on the bench the more his value will decrease. Madrid don't have the cards in this transfer.

 

[prtk0811]

Because he's not a first team starter and he's pushing for a move.

for slightly more we could get Griezmann. The longer James is on the bench the more his value will decrease. Madrid don't have the cards in this transfer.

Exactly. Di maria and ozil were first teamers he is not.

 

[dakingpin1999]

So long as this transfer has been approved by Jose, which most likely will be, I have no complaints about it. Jose is not one to shy away from dropping new signings if they do not fit into his plan, or if they are out of form. Just ask Mkhi and Bailly after his AFcon exertions.

Sure that if we get him, Jose already has a plan in mind. Also good to have more options to choose from, rather than what we have faced this season when injuries started piling up. Look at the top teams like Real and Bayern - they can still put out very competitive 'B' teams, and that is what I think we should slowly aspire towards. Getting James to take over Rooney's place in the team, while still going after Griezmann for the no.7 shirt and goal-scoring burden from missing Zlatan will be great. James is also no slouch in the goal-scoring department.

IF we get both James and Griezmann, it means we will have the World Cup and Euro Golden Boot winners on our team.

And still boss 6th in a years time with no quality in central midfield and cant string two passes together when under pressure

 

[prtk0811]

There's no chance of us paying that. 60 mil euros is the max united would spend.

60? he's not worth more than 35- 40? Hes been a bench warmer.

 

[Acole9]

I'm convinced by the English journos coming out and saying it's not true. Might just be bitterness that they didn't break the story, there's an obsession in the media here about who breaks the story first.

 

[GrandJury]

60? he's not worth more than 35- 40? Hes been a bench warmer.

I don't expect us to spend 60 million euros, however any amount up to that depending on how much competition there is wouldn't surprise me.

He's better than a bench warmer and would greatly improve our attack. Let's not kid ourselves.

 

[Offside]

When are people ever going to realise that this means feck all?

 

[prtk0811]

I don't expect us to spend 60 million euros, however any amount up to that depending on how much competition there is wouldn't surprise me.

He's better than a bench warmer and would greatly improve our attack. Let's not kid ourselves.

Assuming if we ever are in a competiton. If we are for griezman than james deal makes no sense, Griezman too likes to drop deep and contribute in buildup where as pogba too likes to do so. What would improve our attack is wingers.

 

[GrandJury]

Assuming if we ever are in a competiton. If we are for griezman than james deal makes no sense, Griezman too likes to drop deep and contribute in buildup where as pogba too likes to do so. What would improve our attack is wingers.

I'd be shocked if we signed both. All of this is assuming United are as interested as the media claim. There's been nothing solid yet to say we are buying Griezmann or James.

 

[pocco]

I think he'll end up at Arsenal when they sell Sanchez.

 

[cheeky_backheel]

Zlatan is 35, scholes giggs were 38 and 40 resp. A Positional role with sitting deep and spraying passes from the deep does not ask too much specially when you have other two midfilders to sheild and protect the third. And besides what could be more of a gamble when he'll just replace a 36 year old carrick on brink of the retirement, could just fill the spot naturally.

Adding him wont mean we wont buy a young dm, We can manage boths game time together. Cl games do require some calmer exp in the middle in big games against top sides , and having a offensive minded player is great for the passing range from the deep as well. Its not like he should play every game, but having a mix of youth and exp is essential in a squad building . He wont be a bad purchase for few years until pogba becomes more exp. Also in case of an injury to pogba he could well fill the passing range role.

You want to convert Modric to a DLP in front of defence at the end of his career, so that you can replace one senior citizen with another? surely you must be joking.

Carrick, Alonso, Pirlo etc have played that role for the better part of their careers.

 

[Infra-red]

Somebody probably bet £10 on it.

 

[AXVnee7]

When are people ever going to realise that this means feck all?

What does it mean? Just out of genuine curiosity.

I'm not a betting man, and I've never understood the first thing when it comes to these odds.

 

[Rockets Redglare]

60? he's not worth more than 35- 40? Hes been a bench warmer.

Being a bench warmer at Madrid does not mean he's not good enough to start for us. Our attacking options have been for the most part feckless and he would improve us.

 

[Frank Grimes]

What does it mean? Just out of genuine curiosity.

I'm not a betting man, and I've never understood the first thing when it comes to these odds.

Usually when money goes on something( eg a horse)the more money goes on the more the odds shorten(eg.7/1 into 5/1- For every 1 gambler put on you get 5 plus your original stake).

So in this case if a lot of money went on James to Utd the bookies might decide it's in their best interest to close the betting if it looks likely they would likely lose money.

I don't think it means that much here though, just bookies playing it safe.