James Rodriguez | joins Bayern Munich | 2 year loan

James Rodriguez - should we go for him?

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Pace is over-rated.
It's not when you consider Mou will transform us into a counter attacking team next season. We have seen glimpses of that this season. How many times a counter was binned because Zlatan didn't had pace. Or mata. Or Rooney. Jose always had quick players in his attacking unit.

If its the other way around, then I hope Griezmann should be the one taking over from Rooney. James should be plan B because he is a great player too when played to his strengths.
 
I would like him but not for a hefty price tag. He has a good level of quality which could offer a nice alternative to Mata and/or Micky in that no10 role, not to mention reinforcing that position in our squad with at the minimum par quality. Otherwise he is a luxury player who would be nice to have, but not essential. Jose should keep an eye on him and see how things develop; there's no need to rush proceedings with this one as if we lose out it's not the end of the world for us.
 
Nah. I think he's good but overrated. Miki's the better player, and we also have Mata there, another of our better players this season. We've also got Pereira as an option to consider for back-up, and Gomes on the horizon after him.

We'll need a striker and a DM (Ibra and Carrick replacements), and we should spend the big bucks there and leave the other positions well enough alone.
 
Douglas Costa hardly plays for Bayern. He is much better option.
The interesting thing is that the general consensus in a german Bayern forum I frequently read is that they would swap Costa for James in a heartbeat. In fact they are desperate to get rid of Costa because he hasn't done much since he had his purple patch in the first few months after they signed him. The main thing they dislike is his attitude, it seems like he doesn't give a feck anymore.
 
Some of you are way too picky, I do rate James but the problem on Real Madrid is we already have BBC playing almost by default so is very hard to then accommodate James and keep the team balance but still he had a very good first season for us when he was being featured a lot more often. I think he could do go for any Premier League team.
 
Some of you are way too picky, I do rate James but the problem on Real Madrid is we already have BBC playing almost by default so is very hard to then accommodate James and keep the team balance but still he had a very good first season for us when he was being featured a lot more often. I think he could do go for any Premier League team.

Has nothing to do with being picky, some of us just don't want to spend the stupid money it'd cost to sign a player who has stagnated for a while now. We could pay 20-30 million pounds more and buy a superior player in Silva, who is just as capable playing out wide and who has the potential to be one of the world's best.

James is just another square peg in a round hole, we have enough 10's, but if we were going to buy another, Silva would be a much better option for the reasons I stated.
 
I don't think signing him would be good value, but it's not insane to think that we could play:

-----Rashford------ (New 9)
Martial-James-Mkhi (Mata, Lingard)
---Pogba-Herrera-- (DM, Fellaini)

with a back 4 in most of our games.

And in the bigger just play the new DM instead of James in big games, with James and Martial fighting for the non-Mkhi winger spot when we go 4-3-3. You'd ideally want someone faster than James, sure, but if he tucks inside and Valencia pushes up high enough on the right wing it could work.

Lot of overall quality if we sign a decent 9 to compete with Rashford and a good DM, with those 2 and Mata getting most of the rest of the playing time.

Wouldn't get the best out of Pogba, but it's not complete insanity or anything.
 
Don't really get the scepticism tbh. James is a world class player. He would considerably improve our team. His shooting and dead ball delivery alone, would be a huge asset. He's better than any no.10 we have. Rooney is done, Mkhitaryan is better on the right, and Mata - while decent - isn't in the same class as James imo.

I'm not saying he would be the player I would want us to pursue, but if we were to sign him, I would only view it positively. And at 25 (about to turn 26), has his best years ahead of him.

Kind of reminds me of when people were turning up their nose at Cavani, despite our team and forwards being utter shit. If he was here now, he'd be fecking smashing them in.
 
The kid is like a 50/50 mix of Ozil and Griezmann with a really sweet left foot. He is more creative than Griezmann and a better finisher than Ozil. Like someone said, he is a world class player. Given a choice of the 3 (and I think we will get one of them) my preference (based on suitability not ability as they are different type of players) Ozil >James>Griezmann. He is the most rounded of the three.

But he is quite injury prone in my opinion and seems to always have one muscle problem or another. He has been out injured for almost 2 months this season and that is without being a starter. He just might not be able to handle the physical demands of the EPL. If the physios can keep him on the pitch, then he would be worth every penny.

Given his situation at Madrid, he should be available for much less than his true value and might be worth the gamble despite the injury risk.
 
Yeah I don't get the scepticism either. He is a fantastic player. We have enough pace if we sign a new striker to replace Ibrahimovic with Mhiki, Martial, Rashford. And he isnt slow by any means. We wont be lacking pace next season but mostly someone who can score from outside the box, deliver the final ball in and get past a man in the final third. His ball handling will be one of the fastest in our squad also. His freekicks and corners will get us a lot of extra goal threats. He will score 15+ goals for sure. And we're lacking goals. His passing/vision, dribbling and most of all his shooting is superb.

I don't think we'll be as much of a problem as Di Maria for a couple of reasons.
1) We don't have LVG but Mourinho as a coach.
2) We'll have CL football(I don't think he signs when we don't reach CL)
3) He's a bench player. Di Maria was a focal point in the CL-winning season. And just got shipped off while being a starter. James is sitting for 2y on the bench now and seeing Vasquez getting fielded ahead of him everytime; he'll be eager to prove himself again.

I agree we have other priorities in our squad and i love Mata, but with Rooney leaving i think he would be a great replacement if we can get him for a reasonable price.

Ozil has been lauded a lot since coming to the PL and i would take James over him for sure.
 
Has nothing to do with being picky, some of us just don't want to spend the stupid money it'd cost to sign a player who has stagnated for a while now. We could pay 20-30 million pounds more and buy a superior player in Silva, who is just as capable playing out wide and who has the potential to be one of the world's best.

James is just another square peg in a round hole, we have enough 10's, but if we were going to buy another, Silva would be a much better option for the reasons I stated.

The price tag might be a valid concern I agree if that prevents further strengthening the squad, but some on here talk if it was their own money being wasted on a player when in reality I think all English clubs end overpaying, but I don't know maybe you're right and his transfer would make more sense if you first off load some players first. Still if I remember correctly on his first season with Madrid he got like 18 goals and almost as many assists (16 or so) so I do think he would be great for any team that wants to strengthen their attack, he's not a striker but he has a fine long shot. Overall I'd prefer to keep him but he has even fallen behind the likes of Asensio and Lucas Vázquez so I'm very sure he's gonna leave us this summer.
 
Reports today are claiming that James Rodriguez prefers a move to Manchester United. No one is really sure about these rumours but it looks like Rodriguez is fed up with Madrid and the club will be happy to sell him for good money. After being substituted last night by Zidane, his reaction said it all.


Rodriguez is known to play as an attacking midfielder and or winger. He can play across the midfield or front line. He is 25 years old. He is a left footer. He dribbles well. He's very decent at set pieces. And he is a constant goal threat.

Should United be going all out for this guy?

No
 
No I didn't, why on earth would I or anything think Rashford doesn't have pace?

No you're right, long balls dont work in every game, just like having oceans of pace doesn't work in every game. Hence my surmisation that having an array of attacking options is a good thing?

Well this is what you said.

Point in case Rashfords goal against Anderlecht had nothing to do with pace, it was a long ball up to a player who, you guessed it, doesn't have pace. The incorrectly disallowed Pogba goal was also from a high ball and had nothing to do with pace. Your logic doesn't add up.

I agree with you that having an array of attacking options is good but Zlatan played most of the matches till now so there was no variation in the attack, in most of the matches we didn't have our fastest players like Mkhi and Rashford. Even Martial was/is low on confidence.
 
This is a non starter. Never in a million years is it happening. He's only effective in the Pogba role behind the striker. Out wide he'd be no use to us.
 
I would love it if Jose brought him to United and James shut all the moaners/doubters up. There would be a place for him and Mhki...it's called competition for places and if this season has taught us anything, there's enough games to go round. And you can never foresee injuries.

Seriously, people need to get a grip. I hope he comes.
 
Well this is what you said.
He didn't say Rashford didn't have pace. He said the long ball was up to a player who doesn't have pace (Fellaini), who then headed it down to Rashford if you remember.
 
I don't think he works hard enough to be considered as the central one in the three of a Mourinho 4-2-3-1.
 
Well this is what you said.



I agree with you that having an array of attacking options is good but Zlatan played most of the matches till now so there was no variation in the attack, in most of the matches we didn't have our fastest players like Mkhi and Rashford. Even Martial was/is low on confidence.
No, it wasn't, you've entirely misunderstood.

The variation in attack comes from having different options on the pitch at the same time. A combination of Zlatan, Rashford Mhkitaryan and Martial has more variation than Rashford, Mhkitaryan, Martial and Lingard. Similarly Mata gives us another option, which is why he was a popular choice while fit.
 
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Come on guys,he scored a goal tonight,It could have been very important.
Let's bump this thread increasing some millions the price
 
Don't really see him as a Mourinho type of player - doesn't work as hard for the team and seems to be quite injury prone. Would be a luxury signing and we have had too many of those in the last few seasons. No thank you.
 
He'd be a pointless buy here. We need a player like Griezmann to compliment the youth and energy that Martial and Rashford bring, and the intelligence of Mkhi and Mata bring. Adding Hames would just interrupt that.
 
Having Mkhi and Mata here makes James pointless. If we go for a similar player, we need it to be a faster and more hard working player, that can also play on the wing.
 
Firstly, Poba does not and will not be playing behind the striker/CF! Pogba will be the CM part of the DM+CM in a 4-2-3-1 or the LCM when we play 4-3-3. He will be the central play maker as a CM and not an AM. That is how Mourinho has been deploying him and he has been adapting quite well. The rest of the team will be built around Pogba's ability and role.

Secondly, James is a level above Mikhi and 2 levels above Mata. He has a very high football iq and can play any of the 3 spots behind the lone striker in a 4-2-3-1 (or any of the attacking trio in a 4-3-3). Good at set pieces and a great finisher (though not as good as Griezmann but better creative wise and more rounded). A simple look at his goal and overall play today shows his quality. He also works hard for the team (and one can see traces from his stats like distance covered, tackles, ball recovery etc)

He is captain of the colombian NT. He was the highest goal scorer at the last world cup, top assist in ligue1 (in his only season at Monaco) and best midfielder in la liga in his first season at Madrid. His recent problems are more on the failings of Zidane (who plays an injury prone Bale and clueless Vasquez ahead of him, but then Zizou also leaves Morata on the bench and doesnt know to defend a draw when they are down to 10 men :confused:). He is a proven world class level player and is only 26 (a few months younger than Griezmann).

His only problem is his injury record but his price tag would be less than Griezmann. You might not like the kid but try not to belittle or misrepresent his abilities.

PS: Sample stat comparison of James and Griezzman on squawka
http://www.squawka.com/comparison-m...es_won/successful_take_ons_%/interceptions#90
 
Firstly, Poba does not and will not be playing behind the striker/CF! Pogba will be the CM part of the DM+CM in a 4-2-3-1 or the LCM when we play 4-3-3. He will be the central play maker as a CM and not an AM. That is how Mourinho has been deploying him and he has been adapting quite well. The rest of the team will be built around Pogba's ability and role.

Secondly, James is a level above Mikhi and 2 levels above Mata. He has a very high football iq and can play any of the 3 spots behind the lone striker in a 4-2-3-1 (or any of the attacking trio in a 4-3-3). Good at set pieces and a great finisher (though not as good as Griezmann but better creative wise and more rounded). A simple look at his goal and overall play today shows his quality. He also works hard for the team (and one can see traces from his stats like distance covered, tackles, ball recovery etc)

He is captain of the colombian NT. He was the highest goal scorer at the last world cup, top assist in ligue1 (in his only season at Monaco) and best midfielder in la liga in his first season at Madrid. His recent problems are more on the failings of Zidane (who plays an injury prone Bale and clueless Vasquez ahead of him, but then Zizou also leaves Morata on the bench and doesnt know to defend a draw when they are down to 10 men :confused:). He is a proven world class level player and is only 26 (a few months younger than Griezmann).

His only problem is his injury record but his price tag would be less than Griezmann. You might not like the kid but try not to belittle or misrepresent his abilities.

PS: Sample stat comparison of James and Griezzman on squawka
http://www.squawka.com/comparison-m...es_won/successful_take_ons_%/interceptions#90

How about his off field problem, being a party boy, undisciplined...?

Funny you posted the stats comparison of games between James and Griezmann, I felt they don't share the same position so I ran it against Mkhi and Mata also.
Let's forget the level of the opponents he faced and Real's priority in those games, the result?
Against Mikhi: Although his attack score is a little higher than Mkhi, the latter topped him in defence score. The rest of the stats proved similar between the two. So I don't see how he's a level above?
When I brought Mata into the fold, surprise, he shits all over James in everything except for the defence score. 2 levels above indeed.

You can also add a lot more things to compare them, I doubt we'll see James do better than Mkhi and Mata, in number at least.
 
How about his off field problem, being a party boy, undisciplined...?

Funny you posted the stats comparison of games between James and Griezmann, I felt they don't share the same position so I ran it against Mkhi and Mata also.
Let's forget the level of the opponents he faced and Real's priority in those games, the result?
Against Mikhi: Although his attack score is a little higher than Mkhi, the latter topped him in defence score. The rest of the stats proved similar between the two. So I don't see how he's a level above?
When I brought Mata into the fold, surprise, he shits all over James in everything except for the defence score. 2 levels above indeed.

You can also add a lot more things to compare them, I doubt we'll see James do better than Mkhi and Mata, in number at least.
Off field problems are as much a function of the individual as they are of their environment, and most S. Americans football stars are known to party quite a bit. If you are worried about off field issues, then if given the opportunity you would not sign players like Ronaldo (fenomeno) or Ronaldinho. As long as he is performing on the field, I am less concerned about how he spends is private life. There are stories here and there, but if he is as bad as a character as some try to portray him, things should have been messier given how things have gone. To me he has simply been poorly managed at Madrid and not given the opportunity he deserved. I have no problems with a quality player grumbling for being left on the bench or do you expect him to be happy about it?

As to the comparison, it wasn't to say he is better than Griezmann (as they are different type of players) but was for some that were portraying him inaccurately. I posted his stats vs Griezmann cos they are both potential transfer targets and they play in the same league (i.e. facing similar opposition), giving a fairer comparison. Comparing to Mikhi and Mata, would have had more bias as those are in a different league.

That being said, I still stand by statement that he is a level above Mikhi and 2 levels above Mata (who I have watched since he was in RM castilla). One simply needs to watch each player on the field and the differences in class are clear imo. I expect anyone that has watched all 3 players for a decent amount of time to reach the same conclusions and cant imagine someone fairly thinking otherwise. In fact, outside of Barcelona, the kid is good enough to start in the attack of any other team I can think of (including Madrid - and I am a Madrid fan).
 
The manager will know exactly what we need after spending a full season with the squad and he'll know all about James character as he surely still has many contacts at Madrid. If he's someone who Jose thinks will improve us and he wants to play for us then by all means...

I don't think we will sign him though... that's based on the huge fee and the fact we've players in those positions who are coming into form and getting used to the managers tactics. I don't think he'll sell too many players fwiw

Madrid cast offs can go the robben way or the di Maria way. Do a Robben and he would be a great signing. There's no doubting they stockpile top quality players. Isco is another one....
 
He didn't say Rashford didn't have pace. He said the long ball was up to a player who doesn't have pace (Fellaini), who then headed it down to Rashford if you remember.

My bad, I confused myself when I read his post.
 
No, it wasn't, you've entirely misunderstood.

The variation in attack comes from having different options on the pitch at the same time. A combination of Zlatan, Rashford Mhkitaryan and Martial has more variation than Rashford, Mhkitaryan, Martial and Lingard. Similarly Mata gives us another option, which is why he was a popular choice while fit.

Okay. But I feel Zlatan slowed down the whole team because he doesn't have that much pace.
 
As to the comparison, it wasn't to say he is better than Griezmann (as they are different type of players) but was for some that were portraying him inaccurately. I posted his stats vs Griezmann cos they are both potential transfer targets and they play in the same league (i.e. facing similar opposition), giving a fairer comparison. Comparing to Mikhi and Mata, would have had more bias as those are in a different league.

That being said, I still stand by statement that he is a level above Mikhi and 2 levels above Mata (who I have watched since he was in RM castilla). One simply needs to watch each player on the field and the differences in class are clear imo. I expect anyone that has watched all 3 players for a decent amount of time to reach the same conclusions and cant imagine someone fairly thinking otherwise. In fact, outside of Barcelona, the kid is good enough to start in the attack of any other team I can think of (including Madrid - and I am a Madrid fan).

Ahh, I get what you're saying, because they play in the same league, albeit different positions, stats is relevant but when it comes to players in the same position from different leagues then it becomes useless.

And I've watched James back since the day he still played for Porto, same goes for Mata at Valencia and Mkhi at Dortmund until this point. I liked James as a player but just don't rate him that much, even with all the wonder goals he pulled for Colombia.

Anyway, if you think James is that good compared to our players according to your personal opinion, I don't agree but fair enough.
 
He's better than Mkhitaryan, Mata and Rooney combined.
 
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