James Rodriguez | joins Bayern Munich | 2 year loan

James Rodriguez - should we go for him?

  • Yes

    Votes: 404 34.6%

  • No

    Votes: 565 48.4%

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    Votes: 198 17.0%
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Raees said:
Just to make clear. I don't think we should sign him because of the Pogba situation.. they wouldn't work well together. However if I was to build a side, and I was told you have to pick one out of James/Mata/Mkhi.. I'd pick James.

Secondly, Mata is not more creative.. James is a much more adventurous passer and much better in tight spaces, as he can actually beat players with footwork whereas Mata.. protects the ball and tends to go backwards as he knows he can't take players on as often. First touch, both are amazing.

He is not a Ozil, or Di Maria.. those two are support players, whereas James is more of a star man, he's more like a Riquelme style of 10, where he wants to be allowed to run the show on his terms. At Madrid, he was being asked to be a support player and he doesn't have the mindset to do that.. whereas Mata is a consumate team man, Rodriguez likes to be the star. At United, we need more Star players as the squad is filled with vanilla personalities.

Totally disagree with the ramble on Fergie and James lacking the ego/mental strength to lead a side. His very nature is to be that star player.

The issue with James is, is he good enough to build a side around and challenge for titles? if that is the concern you have.. it is justified, because doing it for Columbia is one thing, doing it for a big club is another. But if the issue is, does he have it in him to be a star player for a side, I disagree because he loves to be centre stage and take responsibility.
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Well that depends on team balance and philosophy weather james Mkh or mata is more suitable , Different strenghts, Different Philosophy Different Suitability .

James is a Adventourous passer but so can be juan mata , You just need a right off the ball attacking movements in the attacking players to recive a pass which united attacking players right now dont have with a slower Zlatan and Martial who's strenghts do not lie in attacking the space off the ball , If there is movement mata has the capabilities to find that pass, While Mata can not carry the ball forward and counter attack himself which james does, But against defensive counter attacking Epl teams you dont get so much space to counter attack from the middle so a player like james could loose the ball a lot more than mata in posession and the team get countered while mata has the vision to make a back pass or sideways to let the midfield below him to close the space and push higher so that if the ball is lost the space can be closed quickly to win it back without any space for creative players to create something and keep the ball circulating for better control in posession.

He is not Ozil or Di maria i never meant that , he has the mentality of ozil and di maria. Star players have a strong mentality in training ,hard work and 100% effort every single time which is not the case with james, In a high pressure epl game defensively he is not that astute like a top player work rate should be and can be lethargic at times when tired in an end to end game.

When the Going gets tough the tough gets going, There might come a time where his star Abilities is challenged against physical defensive reactive counter attacking teams which are in abundance in epl and i think he lacks character to smack it back in opponents face day in day out and in crucial big games where he would sulk, because he aint a star till now, One WC means is not enough to prove that and madrid do not let go top potentials for a bargain price. We need Star Players who have proven themselves as stars, There is a big question mark with james.
 
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GM K said:
Isn't Madrid like the rich billionaire who gets rid of his latest Ferrari just because there's a new Bentley in town?
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They were, but they have improved and know what they are doing.
 
Raees said:
Saying someone is mentally stronger than Di Maria and is therefore United standard is like saying someone is intelligent because they scored higher on an IQ test than Donald Trump.

His previous managers have commented on his mental frailties, Mourinho clearly took objection to it and we are seeing for ourselves how he goes AWOL in games and lacks consistency.
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It's his first season for us, he is United standard IMO. He didn't show it this season but he will prove that he is a United player in the next season. If he was really mentally weak he would have asked for a transfer already. He might be mentally weak but he was one of the best players for Dortmund last season. We really don't know if he is mentally weak after just 1 season.
 
Rhyme Animal said:
No, I haven't forgotten, I just said that the Pogba transfer and how that 90m has subsequently been used has made me "a bit less confident in the Mourinho Woodward combo".

Woodward's reign has brought very little success, yet he's been willing to spend a lot of money (I believe he truly loves the club, actually), both in fees and wages.

Players like Mkhi and Bailly are the absolute minimum of what Utd should be expecting with the money we generate and spend and the wages we offer. I'm not gonna say that signing Mkhi or Bailly has, on it's own filled me with an untouchable confidence in Woodward and Mourinho because it hasn't.

They're both good players, and I want them both here, but we're talking about the most expensive team in the league, and the highest paid team in the league - struggling to make top 4.

Players like Rodriguez are not the answer, we need to start using our financial muscle to dismantle rival PL teams like Fergie used to do.

I'd rather offer Deli Alli 300k a week than sign 2 Rodriguez type players, and I'd rather break transfer records for players that there's no gamble with - Kane, Romelu, Sanchez etc - than players who've never proven whether they're actually suited to the PL.

And, again, in case the point is missed - we need to start using our financial muscle to dismantle rival PL teams.

Real Madrid cast-offs are not the answer.
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Mourinho wanted Pogba cause he knows how good Pogba is, Juventus wanted that much money and they had to pay that much there was no other option. No other world class midfielder would have joined us. There is still a chance to make top four if our players can finish chances.

I agree we don't need Real Madrid cast-offs, these are all tactics from Real Madrid so they can get De Gea from us. I wouldn't gamble with Lukaku though, he goes missing against top teams. Kane or Sanchez would be good buys.
 
NO thanks. We don´t need another luxury diva who isn´t prepared to suffer for the club.
 
Salman Bin Ahmed said:
Most of the player you're talking about made a great name at RM, what has James done? He is a Madrid flop, and Idk about you, but I wouldn't like a player that flopped at Madrid for 60 m quids. Simple as that.
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He hasn't flopped any worse than Sneijder, whose value went from 27M to 15M after 2 years at Madrid.

Regardless, the point is that your rule is meaningless garbage.

A player can be just decent at a club with a squad like Madrid, Barca or Bayern and still help another one. Players like Bernat, Sanches, Douglas Costa, Coman and Kimmich (and Javi Martinez has only played a lot since Boateng has missed 2/3rds of his normal playing time) are getting about half the minutes of a normal Bayern starter and several of those players would immediately upgrade the starting XI at the top clubs in England.

If I had 2 talented wide players, a solid midfield pair and a 9 but I needed a productive 10 to make it all work, I would happily sign James. I don't think that describes us, but if a club as good or better than us like Dortmund had gotten him instead of Gotze to to be the 10 between Reus and Dembele with Aubameyang up top and Guerrero and Weigl holding, I think they'd have been better off.
 
Salman Bin Ahmed said:
Most of the player you're talking about made a great name at RM, what has James done? He is a Madrid flop, and Idk about you, but I wouldn't like a player that flopped at Madrid for 60 m quids. Simple as that.
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I'll have some of whatever you're smoking!
 
No. First of all, I don't really like the idea of buying other top clubs' rejects. In most cases they are rejects for a reason.

Secondly, I wouldn't want to sign him even though he wasn't a reject. He's not really the type of player we need. We need real wingers with speed, and we already have Mata and Mkhitaryan who are best in the #10 position, and he wouldn't even be an upgrade on any of these player IMO. So no real point in signing him. Let's sign a pacy, creative winger instead.
 
He'll be the sort of player who joins if we don't make the CL, another unmotivated, overpaid player we wouldn't need, somehow trying to placate the fans, and please the sponsors. not for me.
 
Watched the Real Madrid game today.... James failed to make an impact but Isco was amazing. His footwork, passing and shooting was just exceptional. If Real are planning on getting rid of him, Jose should be the first person in line. Tottenham, Chelsea and Man City are probably waiting on the wings. He's not a bad player to have when Pogba is out injured or to play with Pogba when we are playing against the weaker teams.
 
He has great attacking player with very high footballing IQ. His best position is as a trequartista, but can play on the wings and as a CAM.
The main reason I wouldnt recommend him is that he is very injury prone and doubt he could handle the physicality of the EPL.
 
Depends on whether we are keeping Zlatan really.

We are clearly going to bring in an AM/no 10, if Zlatan stays we need someone with more pace who can go beyond Zlatan because of his insistence to drop deep which closes the play and gives less options. Having someone who went beyond him would open more gaps and offer a different option.

If Zlatan leaves and we sign a striker who runs the channel, stretches defences and plays on the shoulder more, James could work well, depending on price of course.
 
M Bison said:
Depends on whether we are keeping Zlatan really.

We are clearly going to bring in an AM/no 10, if Zlatan stays we need someone with more pace who can go beyond Zlatan because of his insistence to drop deep which closes the play and gives less options. Having someone who went beyond him would open more gaps and offer a different option.

If Zlatan leaves and we sign a striker who runs the channel, stretches defences and plays on the shoulder more, James could work well, depending on price of course.
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It literally does the opposite of that.
 
Pexbo said:
It literally does the opposite of that.
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Don't agree.

Him dropping deep closes the space and makes less room for others to run into, thereby removing options and making us easy to play against.

We need runners and people going past Zlatan which is where the issue currently is, in my view.
 
M Bison said:
Depends on whether we are keeping Zlatan really.

We are clearly going to bring in an AM/no 10, if Zlatan stays we need someone with more pace who can go beyond Zlatan because of his insistence to drop deep which closes the play and gives less options. Having someone who went beyond him would open more gaps and offer a different option.

If Zlatan leaves and we sign a striker who runs the channel, stretches defences and plays on the shoulder more, James could work well, depending on price of course.
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Yeah, we're lacking pace behind the striker with only Rashford, Mhkitaryan, Lingard and Martial to pick from...
 
M Bison said:
None of whom seem willing or able to go beyond Zlatan
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You only have to look at our last game to see how many times we had runners beyond Zlatan.

Our main obstacles aren't unwillingness get in behind its the pace of our place and how deep opposition play against us.

Besides, you don't need masses of pace to get in behind, Mata is a superb example of that.
 
ivaldo said:
You only have to look at our last game to see how many times we had runners beyond Zlatan.

Our main obstacles aren't unwillingness get in behind its the pace of our place and how deep opposition play against us.

Besides, you don't need masses of pace to get in behind, Mata is a superb example of that.
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Don't disagree with some of the comments but I think it is a major issue that we don't get in behind and pace and power are major contributors to that. The last couple of games it's been very common that the only players in the box when attacking is Lingard or Rashford which is hugely frustrating and so easy to defend against. Especially watching Spurs on MOTD last night and they have runners from all angles and attack with real aggression and pace.

Probably the wrong thread to debate in!
 
He's potentially a good signing, but if United are to sign one attacking midfielder this summer, it would have to be Delle Ali, doubt it will happen though.
 
M Bison said:
Don't disagree with some of the comments but I think it is a major issue that we don't get in behind and pace and power are major contributors to that. The last couple of games it's been very common that the only players in the box when attacking is Lingard or Rashford which is hugely frustrating and so easy to defend against. Especially watching Spurs on MOTD last night and they have runners from all angles and attack with real aggression and pace.

Probably the wrong thread to debate in!
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I dont think you can get much more pace and power than Zlatan, Mhkitaryan, Martial and Rashford.

Pace is very overrated, being able to move the ball quickly does much of what having raw pace brings.
 
ivaldo said:
I dont think you can get much more pace and power than Zlatan, Mhkitaryan, Martial and Rashford.

Pace is very overrated, being able to move the ball quickly does much of what having raw pace brings.
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I see this said a lot and always think part of the sentence is missing. Pace without ability is overrated. Pace with ability and intelligence is every defenders worst nightmare. That's true at every level.
 
Dobbs said:
I see this said a lot and always think part of the sentence is missing. Pace without ability is overrated. Pace with ability and intelligence is every defenders worst nightmare. That's true at every level.
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That can be said about any attribute. Drop a few yards and it's somewhat nullified. Pace seems to be the answer for so many here. Consider how highly rated it is compared to aerial ability or strength. Give me the option of raw pace or quick play I'll choose the latter every day.
 
ivaldo said:
That can be said about any attribute. Drop a few yards and it's somewhat nullified. Pace seems to be the answer for so many here. Consider how highly rated it is compared to aerial ability or strength. Give me the option of raw pace or quick play I'll choose the latter every day.
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Well yeah pace should be rated more importantly than aerial ability. For anyone other than a centre half anyway. When a fullback came up against Giggs he wasn't worried about Ryan's heading ability.

I don't think anybody is suggesting that we need just pace. Nobody thinks adding David Bellion to the squad will fix things.

When people say pace there's the unspoken assumption that guy will also have ability.
 
Dobbs said:
Well yeah pace should be rated more importantly than aerial ability. For anyone other than a centre half anyway. When a fullback came up against Giggs he wasn't worried about Ryan's heading ability.

I don't think anybody is suggesting that we need just pace. Nobody thinks adding David Bellion to the squad will fix things.

When people say pace there's the unspoken assumption that guy will also have ability.
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No they really are suggesting just that, this place is pace obsessed. We've just had someone say we need more pace behind Zlatan!

You can drop 5 yards and nullify pace. You can have Usain Bolt on the wing and it won't make a difference if there's no space to exploit.
 
ivaldo said:
No they really are suggesting just that, this place is pace obsessed. We've just had someone say we need more pace behind Zlatan!

You can drop 5 yards and nullify pace. You can have Usain Bolt on the wing and it won't make a difference if there's no space to exploit.
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That isn't what I said at all. I said we need runners beyond Zlatan due to the way he drops deep to collect the ball!
 
ivaldo said:
No they really are suggesting just that, this place is pace obsessed. We've just had someone say we need more pace behind Zlatan!

You can drop 5 yards and nullify pace. You can have Usain Bolt on the wing and it won't make a difference if there's no space to exploit.
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They're really not.

It makes you wonder why managers pack their teams with pace if it's so overrated.
 
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ivaldo said:
Which we already have.
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Not based on the last few games where we often attack with only 1 man in the box.

We'll see today, hopefully you're seeing something I'm not and we'll attack like a Spurs with 4 or 5 in the box when going forward.
 
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