Why would he demand a move from Everton and go to Spurs who are barely a step up? I imagine he wants to move to a Champions League side, if not then go abroad.
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I'd definitely prefer McCarthy over Schneiderlin. If we put Schneiderlin in the team instead of Carrick, we need Carricks passing range from someone else in the central midfield, which we don't have. Neither Fellaini, Rooney nor Herrera are good enough passers to compensate for Schneiderlins lack of passing range. Therefore, I'd prefer McCarthy.
Everton are permanently skint so Spurs would be a decent step-up really. Maybe one of the bigger clubs are after him though, who knows.
Still think we need two midfielders. Either McCarthy or Schneiderlin plus Gundogan would be great. And then play them with Herrera as the head of three. Would've had Strootman as a preferred (albeit different) option to Gundogan, but that ones dead now.
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I would take him over Schneiderlin.
30m max
I don't see why anybody will buy this guy over Schneiderlin, unless there is a big difference in price, which I seriously doubt. Both similar players, similar age, both homegrown, but Schneiderlin seems better at everything.
Interesting. I personally don't think Schneiderlin is that much better than McCarthy, if at all. Actually, I'd have McCarthy if I had to choose.
I'm not sure how people can rate Schneiderlin that much more than McCarthy, seeing as the latter has enjoyed two top seasons.
Even if he has asked he still has 3 years left on his contract so Everton hold the cards and we always get fleeced when we buy within the PL.
Fair point, what annoys me most about both is that they were both bought for under £2m from their respected clubs and we're most likely going to have to pay 2000% more at least.
EDIT: My bad on Mccarthy, completely forgot about Wigan and always viewed him as Everton due to having his better seasons there.
Would consider him as option C. But if what is said is true.. LVG has obviously told him to get here before pre-season starts lol.
Would be a good buy if we are interested.. Not sure if I would be happy with him and Schneiderlin though. Very Liverpool esq..
Would be a good buy if we are interested.. Not sure if I would be happy with him and Schneiderlin though. Very Liverpool esq..
Schneiderlin wouldn't have signed for a bigger club than Southampton, he chose them because he was young and needed to continue his formation, and the move was forced by the fact that Strasbourg was bankrupt.
Everton spent 13m on Mccarthy. He went for under 2 million when he went from Hamilton to Wigan.
That's because they have improved. We probably could have got Harry Kane for £2m two years ago too. Fact is he was shit then.
We shouldn't/wouldn't buy both McCarthy and Schneiderlin, if that's what you mean.
Surely one of them, plus make a big push for Gundogan. That would make sense, at least.
And they bought him when they were in the Championship. I do not think even Southampton thought he would be this good.
He was seen as big potential bigger clubs like Arsenal, PSG, Lyon wanted him but he wanted to be sure that his future club would take care of him.
Schneiderlin-Mccarthy-Herrera would look quite solid.
I've seen a fair bit of both McCarthy and Schneiderlin, certainly more than I have of most players we're linked with.
I think don't think there's much difference in quality between them. Both have been very good over the last couple of years (and McCarthy was very promising at Wigan too). Both are their teams best midfielders and both would probably cost a decent chunk of money.
They're both similar in that they're somewhat multi-functional, sort of like #6/#8 hybrids. Both would be smart signings for LVG's system for that reason, I think. My sense watching them is that McCarthy is naturally suited to a more defensive #6 role whereas Schneiderlin might be better in a box to box #8 role, though that's just my opinion really. It should be said that even though they're (sort of) similar players in the roles they can play they do bring different strengths and weaknesses to that position.
I'd certainly be happy to see us sign either of them. In fact I thought we missed a trick in not picking McCarthy up for cheap from Wigan. I'm not sure I'd necessarily want both though or how well they'd play together. We'd certainly be defensively secure though....
I think don't think there's much difference in quality between them. Both have been very good over the last couple of years (and McCarthy was very promising at Wigan too). Both are their teams best midfielders and both would probably cost a decent chunk of money.
They're both similar in that they're somewhat multi-functional, sort of like #6/#8 hybrids. Both would be smart signings for LVG's system for that reason, I think. My sense watching them is that McCarthy is naturally suited to a more defensive #6 role whereas Schneiderlin might be better in a box to box #8 role, though that's just my opinion really. It should be said that even though they're (sort of) similar players in the roles they can play they do bring different strengths and weaknesses to that position.
I'd certainly be happy to see us sign either of them. In fact I thought we missed a trick in not picking McCarthy up for cheap from Wigan. I'm not sure I'd necessarily want both though or how well they'd play together. We'd certainly be defensively secure though....
Brilliant player and the midfielder we should have went for in the summer of 2013 and not Fellaini. He was naturally always going to move onto a really top club and with no disrespect to Everton, they were merely a stepping stone.
The stories I have heard are that he's unhappy with Cleverley reportedly earning more and is seeking contract talks; that seems fully understandable. I'm not sure he will leave this summer, though.
The stories I have heard are that he's unhappy with Cleverley reportedly earning more and is seeking contract talks; that seems fully understandable. I'm not sure he will leave this summer, though.
Solid yes, but lacks creativity and balance imo, we would have a hard time opening teams up with those three.
Everton will offer him a new contract surely
True but if the reports are true.. Why are we pushing so hard for Schneiderlin and also being linked with McCarthy (will surely happen any day soon if what he said to Everton is true).
We will have to see.
Would be solid, and an upgrade on what we have now. But I still think it would place too much of the attacking load on Herrera. Someone like Gundogan, or a pure box-to-box like Strootman would be better in one of those places.
I think Schneiderlin-Strootman-Herrera is almost as complete as it gets.
Agree, one of the big benefits of having both McCarthy and Schneiderlin in midfield is that it would give you license to have a very attacking/creative #10.
If we're on about just one of Schneiderlin/McCarthy partnering Herrera though then I think McCarthy might be a better fit.
Well Schneiderlin and Mccarthy are certainly upgrades in terms of technique and creativity to Blind, Rooney (CM) and Fellaini. It would also mean releasing Di Maria, Herrera, Depay and Rooney who would be able to concentrate more in creating chances to the team and it would give more protection to the defense which means that the fullbacks can get more adventurous.
I think it is McCarthy or Schneiderlin I do not think we need to go for both.
I think Chelsea or City are in for him. Imo his traits are too similar too Herrera, with Herrera being slightly better I'm an attacking sense.
Not so sure. Actually think they could compliment each other quite nicely. McCarthy in a more defensive #6 role and Herrera as a box to box #8 behind an attacking #10 might work quite well.
I agree with all of it, the only question is whether would Mccarthy developed with us as much as with Everton, I highly doubt that, he had a big success thanks to Martinez, and before joining Toffies he was very, very raw, not everyone is Phil Jones. Some players need not to take too many steps ahead of themselves and we are the club who can't buy every promising talent, we failed with Zaha, Powell etc..
I would want both players but Schneiderlin I like little more with what he could bring to our side.
Aye, McCarthy probably did need the Everton move. His career trajectory is actually quite similar to Carrick's in that sense, I'm not sure he'd have done as well if we'd signed him straight from West Ham either.
If it was De Bruyne instead of Herrera i would agree, but i think with the formation we are playing now a player like Vidal would be perfect.
Why are so many people suggesting it's an either or, with Schneiderlin & McCarthy - we can & should sign both. I feel we're going to be signing mainly Prem proven players, due to availability & Continental based players just not fancying us. With these two, you get honesty & workrate by the boot full, with a decent dash of flair too. We simply can't rely on Carrick, so we need to reinforce in the middle - two fine picks. With a decent CB & Depay as well, we'll be transformed.
I bet McCarthy could play RB too
I bet McCarthy could play RB too
Just read that article belatedly and looks like he's just angling for a new deal.
Quite possibly, or he's been tapped up. One or the other I guess.
I think most people agree we need two midifelders, but they're quite similar.Why are so many people suggesting it's an either or, with Schneiderlin & McCarthy - we can & should sign both. I feel we're going to be signing mainly Prem proven players, due to availability & Continental based players just not fancying us. With these two, you get honesty & workrate by the boot full, with a decent dash of flair too. We simply can't rely on Carrick, so we need to reinforce in the middle - two fine picks. With a decent CB & Depay as well, we'll be transformed.
I bet McCarthy could play RB too
Nah the article basically says Cleverley got an expensive contract by Everton standards and McCarthy makes much lesser than him so he feels "disrespected".
Surprised to hear this - I wonder which of the sugar daddies are behind this; he's a clear Jose-type player, but then again City need him more than Chelsea.
The fee will be interesting as well.
The fee will be interesting as well.
Yep, lots of cover for the key central position, freeing up Herrera to play further forward, where he can add goals.