James McCarthy

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The Neviller said:
No, in a he's much better than Leon Osman and pretty much our entire midfield panel way.
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If he was that good he would be playing in top side already, not Everton, also he would not be relegated. It's really hard to remember a top player that was relegated at 22.
 
DWelbz19 said:
I think the longevity of a partnership that he and Ander could create (both being at a great age for central midfielders) is a strong plus, but the sort of price they'd want is still putting me off. At such a price, a more seasoned player such as Gustavo would be higher on my wish-list.
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This is the thing, we could probably wait a couple of years and sign McCarthy at 25/26 for the same price as we'd pay now. By that stage we'd have a much clearer idea of how he was developing too.

In terms of price it makes sense to either buy him young for 16m or at his peak for 30m. Buying him young for 30m just seems like poor business. Of course, if we're currently a bit desperate and he's a good fit...
 
Lane said:
If he was that good he would be playing in top side already, not Everton, also he would not be relegated. It's really hard to remember a top player that was relegated at 22.
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I don't think he's United quality but that's a pretty strange argument to say the least.
 
Lane said:
If he was that good he would be playing in top side already, not Everton, also he would not be relegated. It's really hard to remember a top player that was relegated at 22.
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Roy Keane - age: 42
Relegated with Nottingham forest in 1993 - age: 21.
 
Lane said:
If he was that good he would be playing in top side already, not Everton, also he would not be relegated. It's really hard to remember a top player that was relegated at 22.
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Seriously?

For a start, Michael Carrick was relegated at exactly the same age and still wasn't playing for a top club when we signed him several years later. Maybe you don't count Carrick as a top player (which is fair enough) but I'd certainly take another player of his quality in midfield atm.

Also, "if he was that good he'd be playing for a top club already" makes absolutely no sense. Plenty of quality players aren't currently playing for top clubs. That really shouldn't need to be explained...
 
An Irish Red said:
You have no idea what you're talking about if you think that.
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Or somebody is just has irish tainted glasses is all.
The Neviller said:
Absolute nonsense. Where was Carrick at 22/23?
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Okay, Carrick is a good example, but United only bought him as he did establish himself in the Spurs team completely. Which is how it's suppose to be. Carrick is also a player that progressed more towards the later stages of career. Really doubt McCarthy is like that.
 
sullydnl said:
It's actually a bullshit story.

From the Standard:




Not like he's bringing up our interest, he's just politely dealing with a question about us.
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Thanks. I don't know where the van Gaal bit has came from, seems like they just made it up to lead into the question.
 
Speak said:
Roy Keane - age: 42
Relegated with Nottingham forest in 1993 - age: 21.
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He was bought for british transfer record, now is there an idiot who would suggest MacCarthy is worth a british transfer record? Seriously doubt it.
 
Lane said:
Or somebody is just has irish tainted glasses is all.
Okay, Carrick is a good example, but United only bought him as he did establish himself in the Spurs team completely. Which is how it's suppose to be. Carrick is also a player that progressed more towards the later stages of career. Really doubt McCarthy is like that.
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Lane said:
He was bought for british transfer record, now is there an idiot who would suggest MacCarthy is worth a british transfer record? Seriously doubt it.
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You're changing the criteria now. Your criteria was players not at top clubs who were relegated at 22. You've been given two good examples and now you've changed the goalposts, and are talking about British record transfer fees and late career growth.

You're entitled to have an opinion on a player, albeit one that is pretty much erroneous (McCarthy is clearly a very good player) but using the criteria of "If he was good he'd already be at a big club and wouldn't have gotten relegated by the age of 22" is daft, and a ridiculously simplistic way of rating footballers.
 
For what its worth, Everton fans that I know rate him very highly.
 
Idea for the muppets, maybe pronounce James as Hamez, then imagine he's really good in FIFA and you've never seen him play in real life.
 
The Neviller said:
You're changing the criteria now. Your criteria was players not at top clubs who were relegated at 22. You've been given two good examples and now you've changed the goalposts, and are talking about British record transfer fees and late career growth.

You're entitled to have an opinion on a player, albeit one that is pretty much erroneous (McCarthy is clearly a very good player) but using the criteria of "If he was good he'd already be at a big club and wouldn't have gotten relegated by the age of 22" is daft, and a ridiculously simplistic way of rating footballers.
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I don't, it's just you did not read my post with attention. I already conceded that there were top players that were relegated and Carrick was a good example of that lot.
Keane is really not, cause he was such a special player capable of commanding a transfer record fee. Something McCarthy will never achieve because he is not good enough to attract even a sum close to a british transfer record.
As for criteria, his relegation with Wigan is just an example of his ability, he is an okay player, but clearly not standout one. Not good enough for United. Whether he will progress in the same manner as Carrick, we will see. I doubt this guy will play in frequent CL club as a starter.
 
An Irish Red said:
No, I've just seen more of him than you have.

If you honestly think he's even remotely comparable to Osman then you are the worst judge of a player on this website (and I saw a guy claim Fellaini was our best midfielder yesterday).
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Maybe, i've seen wigan like 5 times a season, when they were in PL, and i've seen Everton maybe 10 times last year.

I did not compare him in terms of playing style though, only his level. Maybe he will get a bit better, but still in the same bracket.
 
Reason McCarthy was relegated with Wigan is due to the fact there are also 10 other players on the pitch..... Lane you are a bit of a spanner with that line.

McCarthy is a cracking player, but it would be a ridiculous fee to get him, Everton will be looking for 30mill mark, or at least double there money in one season and take 26mill. Hefty price for James.
 
Lane said:
He was bought for british transfer record, now is there an idiot who would suggest MacCarthy is worth a british transfer record? Seriously doubt it.
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Probably not - not that that really has anything to do with it. Obviously there's nothing wrong with not thinking he's good enough. That's your opinion. There would be question marks, of course.

Anyway, much like Schneiderlin, what I like about him is that he's shown that he can play a key role in very forward thinking teams. Teams that play good football, dominate other teams, press and generally look to control the game. The know-how is there, the required technique is there. There's not going to be a situation where he comes in and struggles with the expectation to play on the front foot and take initiative.

As a midfielder, he's proven himself to be well-suited to play the kind of football van Gaal has a history of implementing. And players don't need to be world-beaters to make a huge difference.

However, it would cost huge money to sign him now, and I don't think he's really on our radar.
 
Only 12 pages? Meh; to the Scott Parker thread! Now there's a fella that can add some steel to our midfield.
 
Lane said:
If he was that good he would be playing in top side already, not Everton, also he would not be relegated. It's really hard to remember a top player that was relegated at 22.
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How did you get promoted with logic like this? And so quickly too.
 
Lane said:
He was bought for british transfer record, now is there an idiot who would suggest MacCarthy is worth a british transfer record? Seriously doubt it.
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Your argument appears to have changed
 
sullydnl said:
Seriously?

For a start, Michael Carrick was relegated at exactly the same age and still wasn't playing for a top club when we signed him several years later. Maybe you don't count Carrick as a top player (which is fair enough) but I'd certainly take another player of his quality in midfield atm.

Also, "if he was that good he'd be playing for a top club already" makes absolutely no sense. Plenty of quality players aren't currently playing for top clubs. That really shouldn't need to be explained...
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At the moment we would take any decent midfielder over the shower of shit beyond Carrick and Herrera
 
Oneunited26 said:
At the moment we would take any decent midfielder over the shower of shit beyond Carrick and Herrera
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I would rather stick with Fletcher than pay over the odds, like a 25M for a such an unproven player.
 
Godfather said:
Please don't tell me we are linked with him. We got enough shit from Everton.

bar Rooney
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Yeah, he's so shit. He only shat on Carrick twice and was a pivotal member of a team that finished above us.
 
Anyone who doesn't rate him and feels he wouldn't be an improvement on our current options has not watched him enough, simple as.

I'm not saying he's a world beater, he's not, but he's a very good Premier League midfielder who could cut it at the highest level.
 
KiD MoYeS said:
Anyone who doesn't rate him and feels he wouldn't be an improvement on our current options has not watched him enough, simple as.

I'm not saying he's a world beater, he's not, but he's a very good Premier League midfielder who could cut it at the highest level.
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He really would have been worth a punt at 13mil last summer. I just think now that the money Everton would be looking for now would be a bit risky. Does it not say a lot that none of the bigger teams came in for him last summer and Everton got him on the last day?
 
thegregster said:
He really would have been worth a punt at 13mil last summer. I just think now that the money Everton would be looking for now would be a bit risky. Does it not say a lot that none of the bigger teams came in for him last summer and Everton got him on the last day?
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No it doesn't.
 
thegregster said:
He really would have been worth a punt at 13mil last summer. I just think now that the money Everton would be looking for now would be a bit risky. Does it not say a lot that none of the bigger teams came in for him last summer and Everton got him on the last day?
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He wouldn't get his game at Chelsea, City or Arsenal right now, so no. As for us, well our transfer dealings were an absolute joke last year so we don't count. For all we know there were other clubs interested in him, McCarthy enjoys a strong relationship with Martinez.
 
KiD MoYeS said:
Anyone who doesn't rate him and feels he wouldn't be an improvement on our current options has not watched him enough, simple as.

I'm not saying he's a world beater, he's not, but he's a very good Premier League midfielder who could cut it at the highest level.
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Yeah but is it enough to just cut it at the highest level. We need a world beater or as close as we can get. Look at who Madrid and Barcelona have at their disposal and look at Chelsea and City's midfield.
 
GBBQ said:
Yeah but is it enough to just cut it at the highest level. We need a world beater or as close as we can get. Look at who Madrid and Barcelona have at their disposal and look at Chelsea and City's midfield.
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Yeah but Madrid and Barcelona still bring in players like Illarramendi and Song.
 
KiD MoYeS said:
Yes they do.

Anyway it's stupid how everyone feels we shouldn't sign a midfielder because he's not a household name, we need to build a squad here.
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Illa was €38m and has barely been used by Real, Song also hasn't really been anything more than a decent squad player for Barca.

Anyway, I'd take McCarthy here, good player and we'd actually use him!
 
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