I wasn't expecting even £15m because he's not that good but somehow we've still managed a terrible deal out of it. Surely could have got more from Forest earlier in the window if not for our idiot decision makers.
James Garner (out)
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Surely Forest immediately after promotion would have paid too-top dollar for him. How we’ve waited till deadline day after what, 2 friendly appearances is further proof we’re not performing anywhere near efficiently off the field.
So is there a buyback or not? Two separate tweets saying different things. As long as there's a buyback that fee is fine.
He's never even started a premier League game, not really sure what the expectation is here. It's a gamble for Everton as well, he could end up just being a championship player just as easily.
Ten Hag clearly rates Iqbal as having more potential and he clearly has a good eye for talent, a sell on is better than a buy back in this case.
Really poor deal for us. It is often argued that we struggle to get good fees for players due to the wages that we put them on. In this case, it's simply inept.
What does Garner departure mean for our squad? The answer is “nothing”. We sold him and that’s fine, hopefully Chong also goes now for whatever fee
Exactly.
What are you on about? Forest haven't even been bothered to try and sign him. They went for Henderson on loan instead and have never even made a bid for Garner even though he's available for a not particularly high fee and Forest have been splashing the cash like nobody's business.
The fact that Forest haven't even seemed to care about getting Garner just underlines how middling his loan spell with them actually was. It's telling that clearly the managers at Forest and Utd who've worked with him don't rate him that highly.
Conflicting reports on buy back clause it seems
The club making a song & dance of bringing him back after a successful loan spell only to play him sparingly [injury played some role] then flog him for pennies whilst Forest have been running round spending like a kid who just got money at Christmas. What I’m on about is why is the club selling him on deadline day when he’s never been a first teamer in the first place.
Replace ‘Forest’ with a myriad of clubs, what I’m on about is the time to sell Garner was off the back of the immediate back of that loan spell not dithering until deadline day.
Now jump back in your box.
We are absolute shit at selling players. Unreal.
Sorry but I had to laugh at this post. All proud of us and calling us savvy. Then within two posts...boom, it all ends, no buy back clause and everyone saying how shit we are at doing deals.
Talk about a kiss of death.
Whitwell is more reliable than Romano and considered "tier one" for United news, so I find it unlikely he'd make a point of saying there's not one if there was any doubt. £9m up front seems pretty crap really.
That's a shit deal or maybe I'm just over rating him, can't say.
Never rated him that much, so don’t mind him leaving as it’s best for his career at this stage. But feck me, why not sell him to Forest at the start of the window? Make it make sense.
Yeah, that's crazy low. Especially as there were reports that multiple EPL clubs were in for him.
Could probably have got close to half of that for a season long loan to another top tier club. Such an odd transfer.
Not bothered in the slightest about a buy back clause. He's a decent player but not good enough for us, and I think that skill gap will increase over the next few years as we'll invest further.
I also think we've got 2 or 3 young midfielders at the club that, to me, look potentially better. Savage is a similar player in terms of function and positioning but I prefer what I've seen of him so far. Iqbal is different in style but, again, I see more upside to him than Garner.
So I'm not at all bothered by no sell on clause. Though I do think he's been undersold considering there were rumours of 4 or 5 PL clubs being interested. That should have generated a fee closer to £20m.
I also think we've got 2 or 3 young midfielders at the club that, to me, look potentially better. Savage is a similar player in terms of function and positioning but I prefer what I've seen of him so far. Iqbal is different in style but, again, I see more upside to him than Garner.
So I'm not at all bothered by no sell on clause. Though I do think he's been undersold considering there were rumours of 4 or 5 PL clubs being interested. That should have generated a fee closer to £20m.
Wouldn't have let him go unless FDJ was coming
Posters saying he never played in the Premier league are obviously not clued up on transfers these past few years.
For instance, City sold Lavia for a similar price having only players u23 football.
City also sold Gyabi for £5m who had only player a handful of u23 football and has gone straight to Leeds u23 side.
Chelsea sold Guehi for £20 million after the same amount of time in the championship.
Middlesbrough sold Djed Spence (was on loan to the same team as Garner) for £12.5 rising to £20m
Swansea sold Dan James to us for £15m (with a year left on his contract).
The Garner fee is poor, though him getting sold was probably for the best as we tend to keep our youth far too long, but we've made a habit of selling too cheap for decades, under SAF it was a kindness to the player, but now we're being made to pay top dollar while having to sell for pennies.
For instance, City sold Lavia for a similar price having only players u23 football.
City also sold Gyabi for £5m who had only player a handful of u23 football and has gone straight to Leeds u23 side.
Chelsea sold Guehi for £20 million after the same amount of time in the championship.
Middlesbrough sold Djed Spence (was on loan to the same team as Garner) for £12.5 rising to £20m
Swansea sold Dan James to us for £15m (with a year left on his contract).
The Garner fee is poor, though him getting sold was probably for the best as we tend to keep our youth far too long, but we've made a habit of selling too cheap for decades, under SAF it was a kindness to the player, but now we're being made to pay top dollar while having to sell for pennies.
Forrest never wanted him, which should tell you that they don’t rate him as a PL level player.
Good decision by all. No point rotting here in limbo when you can get games and continue development elsewhere.
We had not signed another midfielder back then, we have signed Casemiro now and he is allowed to leave. We were clearly waiting for a signing before letting him go, and by then Forest have signed about 20 players already.
Not a good deal the club need to recruit better people for negotiations
Maybe it is just the fans rated him that high. Forest buy so many players in this window but excluded him, it may means something
Even if I didn't see a future for him here, that's an atrocious deal from our perspective. £9m without a buy-back clause is ridiculous. Why not just loan him out again if noone is willing to pay more?
How do Liverpool manage to get £16m for Neco Williams and United can't get the same for Garner?
£9m upfront + no buy-back clause is laughable. I said before I can see cashing in if you get £15-20m for him and need that to put towards other areas of the squad and you have the option to get him back in the future, but United have achieved neither of those things.
£9m upfront + no buy-back clause is laughable. I said before I can see cashing in if you get £15-20m for him and need that to put towards other areas of the squad and you have the option to get him back in the future, but United have achieved neither of those things.
Right move for him but how we aren't getting at least £15million upfront rising to £20million+ is shocking.
I just feel other clubs get better fees for players who have barely played any games, not to mention clubs buy championship players for more who haven’t also not played a premier league game.
I think they do relative to the market. When you think Tielemans, Aouar, Luiz, Doucoure are all available on a free next year, It drives the price of midfielders down. As everyone says here all the time, the market is driven by what people are willing to pay for someone. People aren't going to be willing to pay a lot for Garner when they could easily spend that on someone with more proven quality.
It is a shit deal. Clubs like Chelsea seem to get high prices for their B-stock players.
Another crap deal.
9 million?! In the year 2022? What in the world is wrong with our negotiation team 
We bought Malacia in for £12m who’s our starting RB now. He’s shown in two games that talent wise he’s levels above Garner.
The dangerous thing about looking at prices other teams get is that we know nothing about their players, what sort of prospect they are and talent level and what they’ve maybe achieved at loans etc elsewhere PLUS we over rate our own.
Personally Garner isn’t good enough for us, was average to good in the championship so I am happy with any fee that goes £10m+ . It’s not like he’s a prodigy with pedigree like say Hannibal. I firmly believe that if we sold Hannibal, Amad or Garnacho we’d get above £20m for each. Sometimes it’s about profile.
The dangerous thing about looking at prices other teams get is that we know nothing about their players, what sort of prospect they are and talent level and what they’ve maybe achieved at loans etc elsewhere PLUS we over rate our own.
Personally Garner isn’t good enough for us, was average to good in the championship so I am happy with any fee that goes £10m+ . It’s not like he’s a prodigy with pedigree like say Hannibal. I firmly believe that if we sold Hannibal, Amad or Garnacho we’d get above £20m for each. Sometimes it’s about profile.
Except Guehi and Spence both impressed far more in the Championship than Garner did.
Disgraceful deal. Good or not, he's not on astronomical wages and English.
For all the chances McTominay has been given and the reluctance to sell AwB for 15-20m, it's ridiculous we've done this.
feck the Glazers.
For all the chances McTominay has been given and the reluctance to sell AwB for 15-20m, it's ridiculous we've done this.
feck the Glazers.
He's under contract till 2024 isnt he?
A loan to a PL team would have seemed a more sensible move but perhaps ETH simply does not rate him or sees Manioo as a better bet over the next couple of years?
Good luck to Garner though and like others have said it seems a shame not to have included a buy back option
A loan to a PL team would have seemed a more sensible move but perhaps ETH simply does not rate him or sees Manioo as a better bet over the next couple of years?
Good luck to Garner though and like others have said it seems a shame not to have included a buy back option
How can people complain about the fee? If there are so many club wanting him then the fee will naturally goes up. I assume there there aren't many club wanting him and Everton's offer is the best on the table. If there is another club offering a higher fee, I cannot imagine we won't bite their hands off.
Just take the money, just looks at where our mediocre players are now, Cleverly, Welback, Lingard and etc. ETH probably doesn't feel he can make it. He wasn't even playing in the pre-season, ETH doesn't rate him and it is too late to change his playing style.
Just take the money, just looks at where our mediocre players are now, Cleverly, Welback, Lingard and etc. ETH probably doesn't feel he can make it. He wasn't even playing in the pre-season, ETH doesn't rate him and it is too late to change his playing style.
Oh Ofcourse posters are not clued up but you are?
Its called scouting, City have a great youth academy and the players are playing a certain brand. Which is why they are getting such prices.
Garner was on loan at Forest, they decided to spend 150m+ and decided Garner is not worth £9m must tell you something about him.
Garners done well to get Everton, Nowadays our Academy players usually end up in League 1-2 at best.
Feels a few million short. I'm not sure he's a 20 million player as some may have imagined. I think some of his quiet performances would really count against him. He needs a hell of a lot of work to be a PL footballer.
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