[city-puma]

I hope ETH can try him with Fred next game.

 

[Trex]

him and Iqbal are more useful than Donny, I think he has talent, I'll like to see what ETH can do with him, I hope he stays this season.
The injury he suffered may have done him dirty though.

 

[pascell]

Two observations. Forest play a different style and formation to ETH so I am not sure it would be an ideal fit to train him for a future role here and secondly, once we agreed to loan them Henderson he became ineligible to return other than on a permanent deal due to PL loan rules. I would like to see him get a good loan if we are not going to play him much and I am sure depending on signings there is a chance that is the outcome.

Depends which ten Hag system you're referring too, he has plenty in his arsenal. Garner played as a deep playmaker last season, not too dissimilar from what de Jong played for his Ajax side.

Exactly, we've stifled Garner by loaning Henderson to Forest, there was no foresight from the club with that deal. The last time he was loaned to another club (Watford) he ended up back with us and then back to Forest. If we're not utilising him properly this season, why haven't we sent him back to Forest before the Henderson deal? Makes no sense.

 

[pascell]

No. He doesn’t. DVB could be ahead of him though.

Personally I'd have Iqbal ahead of DVB given how they've both played in pre season, albeit they've taken up different roles from one another.

 

[Mickeza]

Personally I'd have Iqbal ahead of DVB given how they've both played in pre season, albeit they've taken up different roles from one another.

I’d sell DVB but ETH has been quoting saying he played well today so I don’t think he’s going anywhere.

 

[FrankDrebin]

Supposedly a great set-piece taker. First corner we get, he lumps it off the pitch.

 

[pascell]

I’d sell DVB but ETH has been quoting saying he played well today so I don’t think he’s going anywhere.

As would I, surely he'd bring £10m to put towards another attacker.

 

[bosnian_red]

Supposedly a great set-piece taker. First corner we get, he lumps it off the pitch.

Its the long standing United curse... Even a decade ago, young comes in as a set piece specialist and it goes to shit. Have we had a good corner taker since Giggs and Beckham before?

 

[Drainy]

If we sign de Jong then he has de Jong, Fred, McTominay, Eriksen and probably Iqbal ahead of him in the pecking order.

He was settled in the Forest team, playing in a role he'd play not too dissimilar for ten Hag, we should've left him with Forest for another season. No better chance to see if he's ready to step up to the United first team than after a season in the PL with Forest.

No chance Iqbal is ahead of him, at least in my view.

He has a real chance to break through this year, in my opinion.

 

[Trequarista10]

If we sign de Jong then he has de Jong, Fred, McTominay, Eriksen and probably Iqbal ahead of him in the pecking order.

He was settled in the Forest team, playing in a role he'd play not too dissimilar for ten Hag, we should've left him with Forest for another season. No better chance to see if he's ready to step up to the United first team than after a season in the PL with Forest.

There's merit to that argument, but ultimately if he can't break past Fred and McTominay he'll never make it here anyway, and he can't break past them whilst at Forest. Even if he went there again and did well he'd still be in the same situation when he returned. And working with ETH is a great learning opportunity for any ball playing midfielder. In a way he'd be more at risk of falling behind the younger midfielders if he went on loan, because they'd have the advantage of training to be part of ETH's system whilst those away would be missing out.

I think De Jong as 6, Garner as a backup 6/option at 8, Fred as a versatile/ball winner to cover 6 or 8, Eriksen as an attacking option at 8 or 10, and Bruno as starting 10 should be the core midfield options. Five players with a range of attributes to fill 3 positions. McTominay, VDB and one or two kids who don't go on loan warming the bench or playing some cup games.

Iqbal in particular needs a loan. He seems like he'd be well suited to ETHs team but the biggest advantage of a loan is giving youngsters an opportunity in high intensity, competitive matches with real reward and consequences, tens of thousands of screaming fans in the stadium, highlights shown on Sky Sports, team mates who need you to perform as results affect their salary and they aren't on money that means they're set for life already, professional, adult opponents who will try to kick you out of the game if you're beating them for skill, or will try to outmuscle you if they think you're a skinny little baller. You can't get that kind of test and preparation in pre season or academy games. Garner has been there and done it, there's obviously some advantage to doing it again in the PL but I think the aforementioned advantages of the loan system cover about 90% of the positives anyway. If Garner can't break into the first team squad here this season he can always be loaned to a PL side next season, Iqbal really needs a Championship loan before he's in the discussion for Uniteds midfield.

 

[Bondi77]

Hard to judge in that game as the pitch was horrendous and people were sliding and miss placing passes.

It wasn't that bad in the first half and Donny was nowhere to be seen. I was one of those that said that Donny should have been given more of a chance under Ole and Ralf but I think we are seeing now what they were seeing in training and that is an ineffective player in a fast paced physical contest.
James Garner is easily a better option for us than Donny IMO and I would imagine Erik would be seeing this now.

 

[MadDogg]

Its the long standing United curse... Even a decade ago, young comes in as a set piece specialist and it goes to shit. Have we had a good corner taker since Giggs and Beckham before?

I remember even Beckham struggling with his corners in his last couple of seasons. I can't remember if it was only at home matches (where corner takers have to deal with the way the ground rises just off the pitch) or if it was everywhere, but I distinctly remember a lot of complaints on this forum about it.

 

[Forest Red]

I remember even Beckham struggling with his corners in his last couple of seasons. I can't remember if it was only at home matches (where corner takers have to deal with the way the ground rises just off the pitch) or if it was everywhere, but I distinctly remember a lot of complaints on this forum about it.

The only criticism we had of Jimmy last season was his inconsistent corners. It was baffling as the lad could drop a ball on a soup plate from 30-40 yards in open play.

 

[Cee90]

He will be loaned again. Plenty of interest in him just like last year.

 

[Baneofthegame]

I’d sell him with a buy back if he isn’t going to get an opportunity here.

 

[The Urban Goose]

He will be loaned again. Plenty of interest in him just like last year.

Sell him to Forest for £15m with a £15m buy-back option after 1 year and Forest's payment deferred for one year. Job jobbed.

 

[AltiUn]

Can't see him being loaned when we haven't signed a midfielder.

 

[dutchred]

He played the full 90 minutes yesterday. Will be interesting to see when he plays over the weekend. Shame there are no reports from yesterday.

 

[Kostov]

If we don't buy anyone and he stays with fair opportunities, he will force his way as a starter by the end of the season.

 

[roonster09]

The only criticism we had of Jimmy last season was his inconsistent corners. It was baffling as the lad could drop a ball on a soup plate from 30-40 yards in open play.

I saw the stats and he was top of assists charts from set pieces (all from corners). IIRC, all his 6 or 7 assists are from corners.

Maybe he took one good one with plenty of shit ones, like you said Inconsistent corners.

 

[Bondi77]

He played the full 90 minutes yesterday. Will be interesting to see when he plays over the weekend. Shame there are no reports from yesterday.

What was the full team?

 

[Adam-Utd]

He played the full 90 minutes yesterday. Will be interesting to see when he plays over the weekend. Shame there are no reports from yesterday.

Suspect it'll be a full 90 against Vallocano. No point him being on the bench against Atletico.

 

[dutchred]

Suspect it'll be a full 90 against Vallocano. No point him being on the bench against Atletico.

Maybe he'll play from the start against Atletico alongside Fred and Bruno

 

[dutchred]

What was the full team?

Look in the main stream, with the title Wrexham behind closed doors

 

[Adam-Utd]

Maybe he'll play from the start against Atletico alongside Fred and Bruno

Possibly but I doubt it with Mctominay and Eriksen now.

 

[RedRonaldo]

I won't loan him unless we secure FDJ.
But even we secure FDJ I still prefer having him here too for next season.

 

[Crickus]

I think Garner will play for us this season. I dont think he will be loaned out. I think you will see him playing in the Europa League alot. League cup games and also in the league when players need to be rested . He has proven he can play in the top level of the Championship

 

[Adnan]

He's 21 years old now and if he's sent on loan again, then i'm not sure he's going to make it here. So I do hope he impresses ten Hag and is seen as a genuine option in midfield for us this season. We also have several young midfielders who are 17/18 years of age who in a years time might even be better than Garner. I think it'll be interesting to see if he stays or is loaned out again.

 

[dutchred]

He's 21 years old now and if he's sent on loan again, then i'm not sure he's going to make it here. So I do hope he impresses ten Hag and is seen as a genuine option in midfield for us this season. We also have several young midfielders who are 17/18 years of age who in a years time might even be better than Garner. I think it'll be interesting to see if he stays or is loaned out again.

We have 2 exceptional talents in Gore and Mainoo. If they stay injury free will be first team players in a couple of years. We need at least 1 experienced midfielder to compliment Fred and Eriksen and Bruno (hopefully Frenkie) until they are ready to take over, not forgetting Zidane and Charlie

 

[city-puma]

We have 2 exceptional talents in Gore and Mainoo. If they stay injury free will be first team players in a couple of years. We need at least 1 experienced midfielder to compliment Fred and Eriksen and Bruno (hopefully Frenkie) until they are ready to take over, not forgetting Zidane and Charlie

Mainoo played yesterday as well if I remember it right.

 

[Adnan]

We have 2 exceptional talents in Gore and Mainoo. If they stay injury free will be first team players in a couple of years. We need at least 1 experienced midfielder to compliment Fred and Eriksen and Bruno (hopefully Frenkie) until they are ready to take over, not forgetting Zidane and Charlie

Agreed.

I think Gore, Mainoo and Collyer look like very interesting prospects and there's also Max Oyedele who is a slightly different profile of player that I would class as a technical destroyer.

 

[andersj]

He's 21 years old now and if he's sent on loan again, then i'm not sure he's going to make it here. So I do hope he impresses ten Hag and is seen as a genuine option in midfield for us this season. We also have several young midfielders who are 17/18 years of age who in a years time might even be better than Garner. I think it'll be interesting to see if he stays or is loaned out again.

I agree with this. It almost feel like it is this year or never for him.

That being said, I must either overrate him severely or quite a few have missed how good he actually is. Maybe he «suffers» from being a bit «boring». Talents like Meibri, Gore or Mainoo excites people more. They are a bit more elegant, flashy or have qualities that stands out more.

In my opinion, one of James Garner assets is his decision making. He «never» makes mistakes. «Always» make the right decision. Carrick was similar. I also think Buquets, who were not highly rated at all pre-Pep, was a similar case.

Mainoo/Gore looks great, but it would be huge if they at a age of 18/19 is at a similar level as Garner as 22.

 

[Forest Red]

I saw the stats and he was top of assists charts from set pieces (all from corners). IIRC, all his 6 or 7 assists are from corners.

Maybe he took one good one with plenty of shit ones, like you said Inconsistent corners.

I’m not sure about that stat - we did score a couple from corners but the assists I remember were from open play into the box like the winner in the play off final. Jimmy’s main asset was his speed of thought and delivery of the pass that turns defence into attack.

 

[dutchred]

I would love to see James and Frankie as a double pivot

 

[roonster09]

I’m not sure about that stat - we did score a couple from corners but the assists I remember were from open play into the box like the winner in the play off final. Jimmy’s main asset was his speed of thought and delivery of the pass that turns defence into attack.

I saw the stat on whoscored, also backed by this video. 8 assists from corners and 1 from free kick in all competitions.

 

[Forest Red]

I saw the stat on whoscored, also backed by this video. 8 assists from corners and 1 from free kick in all competitions.

Strange - I do remember several from open play, maybe for some reason they don’t count as an assist? That finish by Sam Surridge after Jimmy’s break though!

I’m not allowed to post a link yet but there is an vid on you tube on the LUTYHD channel call James Garner 2022 The complete midfielder, Skills, assists and goals

 

[Hal9000]

All these people who are suggesting we should loan him to forest.. You do know that we can't? Henderson going there blocked that.

 

[Strootman's Finger]

He's 21 years old now and if he's sent on loan again, then i'm not sure he's going to make it here. So I do hope he impresses ten Hag and is seen as a genuine option in midfield for us this season. We also have several young midfielders who are 17/18 years of age who in a years time might even be better than Garner. I think it'll be interesting to see if he stays or is loaned out again.

Agree with all this. If he hasn't shown enough at 21 to get into this midfield he probably never will. Either he is good enough to stick around or we should sell him. I prefer the former.

 

[Adnan]

I agree with this. It almost feel like it is this year or never for him.

That being said, I must either overrate him severely or quite a few have missed how good he actually is. Maybe he «suffers» from being a bit «boring». Talents like Meibri, Gore or Mainoo excites people more. They are a bit more elegant, flashy or have qualities that stands out more.

In my opinion, one of James Garner assets is his decision making. He «never» makes mistakes. «Always» make the right decision. Carrick was similar. I also think Buquets, who were not highly rated at all pre-Pep, was a similar case.

Mainoo/Gore looks great, but it would be huge if they at a age of 18/19 is at a similar level as Garner as 22.

I don't think it's a case of anyone over-rating him but at his age we need to see him contributing towards the first team imo, and you're correct, he is a player that keeps things ticking and has a good passing range. We need this profile of player in the team ahead of the like of McTominay and even Fred imo. So it would be disappointing to see him loaned out again when our midfield is a clear weakness in the team.

 

[Bondi77]

Look in the main stream, with the title Wrexham behind closed doors

Thanks