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DWelbz19 said:
When have we ever signed a 21 year old central/defensive midfielder to be a first team player? It’s one of the positions that teams don’t buy so young in, because it’s insanely difficult for a player that young to be a first choice player for a side up the table in the league.
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No point in buying this Tchouameni then or Kamara as they are around that age and the former would not come cheap.
 
Bondi77 said:
No point in buying this Tchouameni then or Kamara as they are around that age and the former would not come cheap.
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Both are older and far more experienced than Garner.

Garner has played 2 games at the highest level of English football. Kamara has 119 in the highest level in France, Tchouameni has 89. Kamara has played 16 games in the Europa League, 5 in the Champions League. Tchouameni has played 9 games in the Europa league and been capped by France 7 times.

Let’s not be silly here.
 
DWelbz19 said:
Both are older and far more experienced than Garner.

Garner has played 2 games at the highest level of English football. Kamara has 119 in the highest level in France, Tchouameni has 89. Kamara has played 16 games in the Europa League, 5 in the Champions League. Tchouameni has played 9 games in the Europa league and been capped by France 7 times.

Let’s not be silly here.
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So it does'nt matter about age then, it is about experience.
It is good that Garner is getting good experience in the Championship from a young age at a team that is doing well in the domestic cup and the team is challenging for promotion.
 
Bondi77 said:
So it does'nt matter about age then, it is about experience.
It is good that Garner is getting good experience in the Championship from a young age at a team that is doing well in the domestic cup and the team is challenging for promotion.
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Generally speaking, the age of a player correlates with their experience. Crazy, I know.
 
Gandalf said:
It has been proven both with stats and just the simple eye test that Fred is better than Donny. Higher pass completion rate, more progressive passes etc. Fred might only be a squad level player for a top club at best but it is a fact that he is better than Donny and as for the 180k a week, that is just blatantly made up because you don't like him.
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no it’s not a fact; it’s a subjective opinion.
 
Gandalf said:
It has been proven both with stats and just the simple eye test that Fred is better than Donny. Higher pass completion rate, more progressive passes etc. Fred might only be a squad level player for a top club at best but it is a fact that he is better than Donny and as for the 180k a week, that is just blatantly made up because you don't like him.
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Apologies on the 180k it's more like 120k that was a genuine mistake which is still robbery from my point of view. Most definitely is not a fact that that Fred is better than Donny but we can't argue about opinions. They cannot be compared as one did not get a fair chance while the other has been near guaranteed a starting spot no matter how embarrassing his performances get. And the stats are bullshit, everyone knows. The 5 yard sideways or Fred special backpack only enhance the 'stats'. Not united quality...fact
 
GL21 said:
Apologies on the 180k it's more like 120k that was a genuine mistake which is still robbery from my point of view. Most definitely is not a fact that that Fred is better than Donny but we can't argue about opinions. They cannot be compared as one did not get a fair chance while the other has been near guaranteed a starting spot no matter how embarrassing his performances get. And the stats are bullshit, everyone knows. The 5 yard sideways or Fred special backpack only enhance the 'stats'. Not united quality...fact
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Not a big Fred fan but if you are talking 5 yard stat padding passes then surely it is Donny you are referring to as he pretty much does nothing else. I would again say, check out their game stats and you will see Fred has a higher pass completion rate despite attempting more long and progressive passes then Donny. Fred also wins more duels, makes more recoveries and plays more key passes per minute played so yes he is better than Donny regardless of any agenda you might have and again I am not a fan of Fred but the Donny FC agenda is beyond delusional at this point.
 
Gandalf said:
Not a big Fred fan but if you are talking 5 yard stat padding passes then surely it is Donny you are referring to as he pretty much does nothing else. I would again say, check out their game stats and you will see Fred has a higher pass completion rate despite attempting more long and progressive passes then Donny. Fred also wins more duels, makes more recoveries and plays more key passes per minute played so yes he is better than Donny regardless of any agenda you might have and again I am not a fan of Fred but the Donny FC agenda is beyond delusional at this point.
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All these stats above are they from the last year where Donny has been a bit part player? If so I feel this is an unfair comparison. While I'm far from Donny FC I don't think he has been given a fair crack to draw comparison stats. The lad surely has zero confidence from his distinct lack of opportunities at United so his wee cameos are hardly a comparison. I can't be sure but I'm guessing if their champions league stats were compared from their best seasons I'd have to guess Donny would win. In any case I'd much rather have prime Donny than prime Fred and there isn't many other midfielders I'd pick Fred over...including Garner...who this thread is about. I'm just so fed up having to watch his incompetence at the club and all his back up I find hard to believe. But each to their own
 
DevTheRed said:
If he were to have a squad role next season where would he predominately play, as a 6 or 8?

He’s arguably been playing a lot better since he’s been given license to get further forward and not restricted to just screening the defence.
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If it's Ten Hag, my guess is we sign a DM and let Garner, Fred and McTominay fight it out to be that player's partner, with VDB as a 10, Bruno narrow on the right (Sancho wide left) and we sign a 9, a CB and a RB since we'll need defenders who can pass.
 
DWelbz19 said:
When have we ever signed a 21 year old central/defensive midfielder to be a first team player? It’s one of the positions that teams don’t buy so young in, because it’s insanely difficult for a player that young to be a first choice player for a side up the table in the league.
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Keane was 22 when he signed wasn't he?
 
DevTheRed said:
If he were to have a squad role next season where would he predominately play, as a 6 or 8?

He’s arguably been playing a lot better since he’s been given license to get further forward and not restricted to just screening the defence.
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Ideally for Garner's sake, it would be signing top class DM and let Garner to fight for his spot with McTominay or Fred or even VDB to play alongside this top class DM and Bruno.
 
Another assist for him from a corner. I think he has 4 assists(and 3 goals) in the league
 
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His passing is absolutely quality, if he could start imposing himself a bit more physically in midfield, I think he'll easily break into our team.

A loan that's worked out well, who'd have thought.
 
He's very Bruno-ish really. Always looking for that killer pass. Great to see him put in a good performance in the biggest game of his career so far.
 
Forest would be my favourites to win the play offs given how they play under Cooper.

I just hope we learned our lesson with Tuanzabe and actually loan him back to Forest if they do manage to go up.
 
Lash said:
Get me a gif of that pass this instant.


Good, not amazing, but holding his own - superb experience for him.
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Great pass to get Yates in, then made many yards to get in a great tackle to stop a Pool breakaway, then another great pass which almost came off.
Could possibly get in position a little quicker to receive the ball from a defender though.
Was right behind Zingernackel when he put that great chance wide.
 
red woppit said:
Great pass to get Yates in, then made many yards to get in a great tackle to stop a Pool breakaway, then another great pass which almost came off.
Could possibly get in position a little quicker to receive the ball from a defender though.
Was right behind Zingernackel when he put that great chance wide.
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Yeah, typical he went and did all that after my post.

Klopp even had a little word with him after the game.
 
Exactly what we lack. Aggression, passing, tackling etc.
 
Mr PG said:
Exactly what we lack. Aggression, passing, tackling etc.
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I'm still not 100% sure if he could come straight into United's squad, and hold his own, or whether he needs a season of premiership football to get him ready.
I'm certain that he will be given an opportunity in the pre season.
 
I find it a bit ridiculous how so many people here kept going on and on about loaning him out, for yet another fecking season. Most players that had been loaned out their entire youth turns out to be mediocre. If a player is good enough then put them in the starting lineup. Barcelona, despite being in their worst state in a decade, continued to play youngsters such as Pedri, Gavi, Fati, Nico etc and reaped their rewards. Sometimes all a youngster needs is a chance. What else could we fecking lose by giving Garner a bit more game time? It is not as if we are filled with absolute stars in our midfield, in fact it's the worst it had been in maybe the past 30 years.
 
dasty said:
I find it a bit ridiculous how so many people here kept going on and on about loaning him out, for yet another fecking season. Most players that had been loaned out their entire youth turns out to be mediocre. If a player is good enough then put them in the starting lineup. Barcelona, despite being in their worst state in a decade, continued to play youngsters such as Pedri, Gavi, Fati, Nico etc and reaped their rewards. Sometimes all a youngster needs is a chance. What else could we fecking lose by giving Garner a bit more game time? It is not as if we are filled with absolute stars in our midfield, in fact it's the worst it had been in maybe the past 30 years.
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Yeah but he has to actually be good enough. Which Ole didn't think was the case yet. Let's see what the next manager thinks.
 
dasty said:
I find it a bit ridiculous how so many people here kept going on and on about loaning him out, for yet another fecking season. Most players that had been loaned out their entire youth turns out to be mediocre. If a player is good enough then put them in the starting lineup. Barcelona, despite being in their worst state in a decade, continued to play youngsters such as Pedri, Gavi, Fati, Nico etc and reaped their rewards. Sometimes all a youngster needs is a chance. What else could we fecking lose by giving Garner a bit more game time? It is not as if we are filled with absolute stars in our midfield, in fact it's the worst it had been in maybe the past 30 years.
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I think we are at a point where we need to sacrifice a bit in order to build for the future otherwise we are going to continue this merry go round of slightly good to slightly shit. Blooding the likes of Garner would be best for our future imo.

There seems to be a shift in the football people around the team which is a good sign of change. I really hope they learn from past mistakes.
 
JJ12 said:
I think we are at a point where we need to sacrifice a bit in order to build for the future otherwise we are going to continue this merry go round of slightly good to slightly shit. Blooding the likes of Garner would be best for our future imo.

There seems to be a shift in the football people around the team which is a good sign of change. I really hope they learn from past mistakes.
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Yeah I agree with this. Funny thing is, I think with the season over now (and that small chance of top4), now would have been the perfect time for him to get games for us. But im glad hes getting game time on loan. Normally when we loan out players, they are on the bench for those teams.

Whether he can make it or not, it would be nice to see him get minutes and game time for us (and not just a random cup) if he were to stay next season.
 
I think he deserves his chance with us, bring him back to the the squad and rotate him, let him take his chance.
 
Looked decent against Liverpool but didn't look like he was too good for them or anything.

I think a good PL loan would be good for him next year where he will definitely play. One of the Promoted teams, Palace, Brentford (If they stay up), Brighton etc. I think somebody like that would be ideal.

He should play for us in the pre season tour though so we get a good look.
 
Garber definitely deserves a place in the squad next season. He clearly has the talent in terms of passing and ball control that is needed for a top team. He also seems to have stepped up physically and in terms of influence on the pitch which is something these youngsters need to marry with the talent.

We should definitely bring him, levitt and mejbri into the squad and see how they do.
 
Hughes35 said:
Looked decent against Liverpool but didn't look like he was too good for them or anything.

I think a good PL loan would be good for him next year where he will definitely play. One of the Promoted teams, Palace, Brentford (If they stay up), Brighton etc. I think somebody like that would be ideal.

He should play for us in the pre season tour though so we get a good look.
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Another loan is one too many, he has always had the technical and passing ability to command at least a squad role for a club like us (kind of like how Gibson, Cleverley etc did for us) and now he has added the requisite physicality so whats needed is to play him and see where he lands. Can he be a starter, a contender or cover?

If I was the one planning United's summer spending spree, I would plan my signings with him in mind. Buy a prime DM, have Garner take Pogba's place in midfield and see how he does in contention with the likes of Fred and McT whilst also getting chances as the first DM off the bench in case of injuries, suspension or rotation for the new DM.

We aren't going to be winning or losing the PL because of Garner so playing him wont be a risk but the potential upside is big. The trick with young players is that you will never actually know with them until you give them a real chance.

Players like Trent didn't just come out polished, someone invested minutes, dropped points and a lot of anguish in them. The pressure at United is unique and we will bever get a comparable loan to guage so why not go for it, he won't be the first or last to succeed or fail.
 
AneRu said:
Another loan is one too many, he has always had the technical and passing ability to command at least a squad role for a club like us (kind of like how Gibson, Cleverley etc did for us) and now he has added the requisite physicality so whats needed is to play him and see where he lands. Can he be a starter, a contender or cover?

If I was the one planning United's summer spending spree, I would plan my signings with him in mind. Buy a prime DM, have Garner take Pogba's place in midfield and see how he does in contention with the likes of Fred and McT whilst also getting chances as the first DM off the bench in case of injuries, suspension or rotation for the new DM.

We aren't going to be winning or losing the PL because of Garner so playing him wont be a risk but the potential upside is big. The trick with young players is that you will never actually know with them until you give them a real chance.

Players like Trent didn't just come out polished, someone invested minutes, dropped points and a lot of anguish in them. The pressure at United is unique and we will bever get a comparable loan to guage so why not go for it, he won't be the first or last to succeed or fail.
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Too often we have got rid of young players or home grown talent only to waste millions in fees and wages on signings that are no better or ultimately worse. Michael Keane has had a pretty solid career and England call ups. we sold him for peanuts and then look at the money wasted on centre backs like Bailly and we renew Jones. Lets stick with a core of youth and upgrade the key positions. LVG signed Rojo, Blind and Darmian. All ended up as poor. Think it was also LVG that let Johnny Evans go, who went on to win FA Cup and 100 appearances at Leicester and West Brom. Would have rather have him in squad than Jones or Bailly.
 
Gordon Godot said:
Too often we have got rid of young players or home grown talent only to waste millions in fees and wages on signings that are no better or ultimately worse. Michael Keane has had a pretty solid career and England call ups. we sold him for peanuts and then look at the money wasted on centre backs like Bailly and we renew Jones. Lets stick with a core of youth and upgrade the key positions. LVG signed Rojo, Blind and Darmian. All ended up as poor. Think it was also LVG that let Johnny Evans go, who went on to win FA Cup and 100 appearances at Leicester and West Brom. Would have rather have him in squad than Jones or Bailly.
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Good point, Fred cost us 50m and there will be more midfielders that cost us that much and more but can we confidently say that Garner won't meet Fred or Scot's level at the very least? Like I said before there are three potential roles that Garner should be auditioning for i.e starter, contender or squad filler. Given what he has shown this season there is no way he isn't good enough for one of those and the only gamble we are taking is whether he is good enough to start for us and be a starter for a decade? If he isnt then he is still needed for a squad role so there is no loss.
 
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