[united for life]

Needs a PL loan. Backup/Squad player here is about 10 starts a season, if even that. He needs another full season of development as a more important player elsewhere. He’s under contract for a while yet so I hope we keep it sensible and let him get these vital minutes and exposure instead of keeping him around just in case. I’m becoming more and more positive with him but he probably won’t start peaking until his mid 20s. Keep the talent moving!

He’s 21 now, so we should really figure out what we want to do with him. you’re right i guess he needs a loan to a premier league side for minutes in the top league. After that, either keep and start introducing him into the team or sell. We don’t want him to have the same experience as periera

 

[Mylock]

He’s 21 now, so we should really figure out what we want to do with him. you’re right i guess he needs a loan to a premier league side for minutes in the top league. After that, either keep and start introducing him into the team or sell. We don’t want him to have the same experience as periera

I think it's rubbish to say he needs a pl loan, he needs to be told he has a genuine chance to getting into our 1st from next season onwards, give him a fair chance, and he'll take it. At best, we will sign one midfielder next season.

 

[flappyjay]

I think it's rubbish to say he needs a pl loan, he needs to be told he has a genuine chance to getting into our 1st from next season onwards, give him a fair chance, and he'll take it. At best, we will sign one midfielder next season.

Or maybe a pl loan so he can come back with pl experience under his belt. It did Welbeck and Johnny Evans good back in the day. It's done wonders for Chelsea's Gallagher.

 

[M Bison]

I don’t know why we don’t just give him a go, worst case scenario is he has a bad game and we lose. the upside is far higher.

Elanga is a good example of a gamble that has paid off, he’s lacking in a bit of quality and I dare say wont make it big, but he’s hungry and keen to impress and it’s worked well for him/the team, got to be worth a bash!

 

[Longshanks]

I know you're half-joking but it's true. My concern with him is that he is so little involved sometimes, even though he assisted and put in some nice passes yesterday. From midfield to defense, only Spence made fewer passes. Hard to tell if it's the way they play or if it's on him, but I've noticed the same things when he has played for the first team here.

I suspect some of that is the way they play, in the championship alot of teams still go direct and bypass the midfield, the midfielders are just there to win 50/50s and aerial duels and then move the ball onto the wingers and forwards. Very rarely do you see a team play out from the back through midfield.

I think to a certain extent its why a loan to a PL club next is risky because even in the PL probably only half the teams really play out from the back and build through midfield, still alot of teams that bypass the midfield. He has shown he can handle the rough and tumble of professional mens football and has shown when he can that he has a good technical level, I think next season he should be with the first team battling it out for a spot in the first 11 being coached by the manager how he wants him to play.

He has all the attributes you want from a deep lying playmaker, and boy do we need one.

 

[Chairman Steve]

I think we should just chuck him in the first team and see what happens, instead of thinking we’re smart with all these plans to lay on him before he can step into a Utd XI.

Reece James didn’t need a loan with Premier League team to see if he could hack it after being on loan to Wigan in the Championship. He just got thrown into a Chelsea lineup and looks completely fine.

 

[Member 109952]

I don’t know why we don’t just give him a go, worst case scenario is he has a bad game and we lose. the upside is far higher.

Elanga is a good example of a gamble that has paid off, he’s lacking in a bit of quality and I dare say wont make it big, but he’s hungry and keen to impress and it’s worked well for him/the team, got to be worth a bash!

I think as a wide forward you can get away with having speed being one of your better assets, in CM you need to be a lot more refined. Whilst Elanga is an example you also have Tuanzabe who should've gone back on loan to Villa when they went up, since then he's been on the bench and stagnated.

I rate Garner and think he'll get better but for me it's still a bit too early for a top 4 team.

 

[flameinthesun]

The prem loan talk for me is a bit of nonsense. The championship is a very tough league, comparable to some strong european leagues minus the top champs league teams e.g. portuguese league, Dutch league. If we bought a 21y midfielder from a midtable portuguese league or dutch league team who was one of their best players and one of if not the best young midifelder in that league there wouldn't be this clamour for him to be sent out on loan. Garner has proven that he is first team ready. The question now is is he united first team ready which can only be answered by playing him in the united team. As much as I would have loved him back here in January. I think its good he's stayed away from the mess that this season has become.

 

[DWelbz19]

The problem with just ‘giving him a go’ is if he’s not good enough yet* he will just ride the bench/be in that weird flux of being a senior player but not making the squad like we’ve had with the likes of Tuanzebe before him. 6-12 months will pass, and he’ll be 21/22 with about 500 minutes of senior football over a season. Not to mention central midfield isn’t really a position you can just throw a player into for a game or two and keep juggling it around.

* = which is almost certainly the case, very few 21 year olds can walk into central midfield and expect to play to the level required for a side trying to win — or at least compete — for trophies.

I would loan him again, but that can be tricky because most sides aren’t going to be there to nurture a young midfielder who isn’t theirs unless they really hit the ground running.

Failing that, a sale with a reasonable buy-back option.

 

[DWelbz19]

If we bought a 21y midfielder from a midtable portuguese league or dutch league team who was one of their best players and one of if not the best young midifelder in that league there wouldn't be this clamour for him to be sent out on loan.

When have we ever signed a 21 year old central/defensive midfielder to be a first team player? It’s one of the positions that teams don’t buy so young in, because it’s insanely difficult for a player that young to be a first choice player for a side up the table in the league.

 

[Mickson]

The prem loan talk for me is a bit of nonsense. The championship is a very tough league, comparable to some strong european leagues minus the top champs league teams e.g. portuguese league, Dutch league. If we bought a 21y midfielder from a midtable portuguese league or dutch league team who was one of their best players and one of if not the best young midifelder in that league there wouldn't be this clamour for him to be sent out on loan. Garner has proven that he is first team ready. The question now is is he united first team ready which can only be answered by playing him in the united team. As much as I would have loved him back here in January. I think its good he's stayed away from the mess that this season has become.

The Championship, except for Ajax and PSV, are easily as strong as the Dutch league. The most overrated league in the world. The teams from 5-18 is piss poor. I think the Danish league is even stronger if you compare all teams.

 

[flameinthesun]

When have we ever signed a 21 year old central/defensive midfielder to be a first team player? It’s one of the positions that teams don’t buy so young in, because it’s insanely difficult for a player that young to be a first choice player for a side up the table in the league.

A tough question to answer even if you remove the age! Anderson was 19 and didnt get sent out on loan. The point I'm making is if we sign a 21yo player who is playing well and is one of the best young players in a strong league (which the championship is) then it makes no sense loaning him out to a prem team unless he has proven he's not ready for united which he can only prove by playing for united. I think the majority of signings we have made who are in the early twenties who have been playing regularly in a good league went straight into the first team squad. Very few were loaned out to a prem league team.

 

[flameinthesun]

The Championship, except for Ajax and PSV, are easily as strong as the Dutch league. The most overrated league in the world. The teams from 5-18 is piss poor. I think the Danish league is even stronger if you compare all teams.

Exactly, if we bought a 21yo midfielder from say AZ who was playing regularly and was seen as one of the the best young midfielders in that league there wouldn't be a clamour for him to be loaned to a prem team.

 

[DevTheRed]

If he were to have a squad role next season where would he predominately play, as a 6 or 8?

He’s arguably been playing a lot better since he’s been given license to get further forward and not restricted to just screening the defence.

 

[united for life]

I think it's rubbish to say he needs a pl loan, he needs to be told he has a genuine chance to getting into our 1st from next season onwards, give him a fair chance, and he'll take it. At best, we will sign one midfielder next season.

i think it’s rubbish to say he will be part of the first team next season and “he’ll take it”. Needs for experience to contribute to a team that is already struggling

 

[Ali Dia]

I don’t know why we don’t just give him a go, worst case scenario is he has a bad game and we lose. the upside is far higher.

Elanga is a good example of a gamble that has paid off, he’s lacking in a bit of quality and I dare say wont make it big, but he’s hungry and keen to impress and it’s worked well for him/the team, got to be worth a bash!

The wing is a completely different beast to midfield. That’s why Fergie always played his young central players out wide to get minutes and experience. It’s not a position to learn in at a top club.

 

[Mylock]

The prem loan talk for me is a bit of nonsense. The championship is a very tough league, comparable to some strong european leagues minus the top champs league teams e.g. portuguese league, Dutch league. If we bought a 21y midfielder from a midtable portuguese league or dutch league team who was one of their best players and one of if not the best young midifelder in that league there wouldn't be this clamour for him to be sent out on loan. Garner has proven that he is first team ready. The question now is is he united first team ready which can only be answered by playing him in the united team. As much as I would have loved him back here in January. I think its good he's stayed away from the mess that this season has become.

I would

i think it’s rubbish to say he will be part of the first team next season and “he’ll take it”. Needs for experience to contribute to a team that is already struggling

Experience like Matic, Harry, Cavani and Ronaldo.
Give the kid a chance, that's what he deserves.

 

[FrankDrebin]

The Championship, except for Ajax and PSV, are easily as strong as the Dutch league. The most overrated league in the world. The teams from 5-18 is piss poor. I think the Danish league is even stronger if you compare all teams.

Hey, our next manager is coming from there.

 

[SAF is the GOAT]

2 assists against Huddersfield

1 from a long through ball and the other 1 from a set piece.

I'll be very appreciate if you'll give a like so I could post the videos of his assists

 

[AltiUn]

2 assists against Huddersfield

1 from a long through ball and the other 1 from a set piece.

I'll be very appreciate if you'll give a like so I could post the videos of his assists

Surely he can't be given an assist for the first goal.

 

[ElBarto]

If McTomminay is a starter Garner deserves to be a squad player at least. I understand the loan again statements but a pivot of Donny and Garner is an upgrade on McFred

 

[JJ12]

If McTomminay is a starter Garner deserves to be a squad player at least. I understand the loan again statements but a pivot of Donny and Garner is an upgrade on McFred

I agree with Garner but Donny is not better than Fred

 

[strandty]

 

[ElBarto]

I agree with Garner but Donny is not better than Fred

Oops he just missed an absolute sitter!

 

[Mickson]

Surely he can't be given an assist for the first goal.

He hasn't, but that's a technicality. He made the goal with the pass. Very good performance even though he should've scored at the end.

 

[ElBarto]

He hasn't, but that's a technicality. He made the goal with the pass. Very good performance even though he should've scored at the end.

Solid performance perhaps a bit more license to get forward from the left, definitely a prospect

 

[OT1214]

He was very lively and had some good link up play with the striker towards the end. Should have scored though. Missed a glorious chance.

 

[JJ12]

He was very good tonight - I’m not sure many will agree but I think next year should be used to build to the future blooding youth players and new young signings.

I can also understand why it wouldn’t happen as we would be wasting valuable
Years of DDG Varane Bruno etc.

But it would be better than this season and better for the future of the club in my opinion.

 

[ElBarto]

He was very good tonight - I’m not sure many will agree but I think next year should be used to build to the future blooding youth players and new young signings.

I can also understand why it wouldn’t happen as we would be wasting valuable
Years of DDG Varane Bruno etc.

But it would be better than this season and better for the future of the club in my opinion.

Agree speculate to accumulate, blood in some young hungry players and shift some of the deadwood

 

[BeforeKeanetherewasRobson]

He was very good tonight - I’m not sure many will agree but I think next year should be used to build to the future blooding youth players and new young signings.

I can also understand why it wouldn’t happen as we would be wasting valuable
Years of DDG Varane Bruno etc.

But it would be better than this season and better for the future of the club in my opinion.

I’d be fine with bringing him into the squad next season (and maybe a couple of others). Not as straight FT replacements as that could end up poorly for player and club, but definitely as a squad member who gets decent minutes (and first team training sessions).

Ill be honest, I wasn’t sure how he’d get on but he’s building up a consistent set of games. Yes it’s championship but it’s still decent level and the cup games have been good… including tonight.

 

[GL21]

I agree with Garner but Donny is not better than Fred

Anyone is better than Fred, guy is stealing a living. Think about it...he's a manchester united midfielder earning 180k a week. Jesus wept

 

[lysglimt]

He is going back next season - those passes of his is insane

 

[The Urban Goose]

He plays Liverpool in the next round...

 

[red woppit]

Just watched the game this morning, thought Garner looked better in the first half when playing in a midfield two alongside Yates, he was pushed forward more when Colback came on, and to me he didn't look as effective, or as comfortable in that position.
The positive things I noticed were that he was always looking for the pass, played it simple when he had no other options, but he was quick to spot Yates' run for the first goal. He has an excellent range of passing, and seems to orchestrate a lot of Forest's play. I also noticed that when Huddersfield had the ball, he was tracking runners, and on defensive set pieces seemed to be on the edge of the Forest area, something that United really don't seem to do.
He seemed to run out of steam in the last 15 minutes, he was a bit sloppy in possession and his passing was not so crisp, plus the missed chance.
I'm very much looking forward to watching the QF against Liverpool, and I hope he's in a midfield two again.

 

[L1nk]

Given the absolute state of our midfield which is only going to get worse in the summer, he has to come in next season and play some games. Another season of McFred and i’m going to lose braincells

 

[forestfan]

Can't think we'll play 2 in mid. Suspect it'll be garner yates and colback so expecting him to be a little further forward. I think its important for his development that he plays in various positions for us and shouldn't concer you that he isn't playing where utd might want him. He is such an intelligent player that his experience of positioning now will only help him when he settles into a role for united. Main thing is minutes and contributing in them, which he does every game.

I don't think he leads our midfield but he equally isn't being led by any one else if that makes sense. Would be interesting to see the level of confidence he has dropping into a team of egos. I suspect he'd be fine

 

[Abraxas]

Time to bring this lad into the fold next season that is for sure. All you can ask from a young player is they go out to a tough league and stand out, and by all accounts he's done that. We're in a desperate state, a kid that has come through and is showing signs like this is a cause for optimism and could give us a boost.

 

[red woppit]

Can't think we'll play 2 in mid. Suspect it'll be garner yates and colback so expecting him to be a little further forward. I think its important for his development that he plays in various positions for us and shouldn't concer you that he isn't playing where utd might want him. He is such an intelligent player that his experience of positioning now will only help him when he settles into a role for united. Main thing is minutes and contributing in them, which he does every game.

I don't think he leads our midfield but he equally isn't being led by any one else if that makes sense. Would be interesting to see the level of confidence he has dropping into a team of egos. I suspect he'd be fine

Hi, you are probably referring to my post about him being not so effective further forward, but it doesn't concern me where he plays, and yes, playing in different positions will certainly benefit him long term, but to me he wasn't as effective as when he appeared to be playing in a two, alongside Yates, and possibly he was pushed further left when Colback came on, with licence to push forward at every opportunity.
With orchestrate I meant that he was pointing out to players where to pass the ball, a bit like a conductor, it was a bit of a pun really.
I was quietly impressed with him, and with Forest in general, and I wish Forest all the luck in the world against Liverpool, and hopefully you will get into the play offs.

 

[Gandalf]

Anyone is better than Fred, guy is stealing a living. Think about it...he's a manchester united midfielder earning 180k a week. Jesus wept

It has been proven both with stats and just the simple eye test that Fred is better than Donny. Higher pass completion rate, more progressive passes etc. Fred might only be a squad level player for a top club at best but it is a fact that he is better than Donny and as for the 180k a week, that is just blatantly made up because you don't like him.

 

[NinjaZombie]

He was very good tonight - I’m not sure many will agree but I think next year should be used to build to the future blooding youth players and new young signings.

I can also understand why it wouldn’t happen as we would be wasting valuable
Years of DDG Varane Bruno etc.

But it would be better than this season and better for the future of the club in my opinion.

If they're as good as their reputations, they'd leading the younger players to something we can build on. Not every player can win titles and trophies and those 3 don't look like they're going to do it ever again, at least not for us. Best they can do for the club is help out while we rebuild. Bryan Robson did it. Cantona never won the CL but played a major role in us winning the treble.