Yeah, incredible player.
Jamal Musiala
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Yeah, incredible player.
Imagine if he had opted for England and we could have a midfield 3 of
—— Musiala —- Bellingham
—————-Mainoo
for the next 12-15 years
—— Musiala —- Bellingham
—————-Mainoo
for the next 12-15 years
Average player who was a key player in the Champions League winning Real Madrid?
Good post I don't get the Kaka comparisons either.
Literally my perfect midfield. Would like a lefty but all 3 are really balanced.
It's interesting as he's the type of midfielder England simply don't produce. That tempo 8 who sort of drifts into a 10 role with mazy dribbles.
He was in England until the age of 16 so not like he was coached this style abroad whereas the tendency even still now is for CMs to be box to box athletic types. I reckon if Musiala had stayed in English set up he'd have broken through in a front 3 like Foden has.
One that will certainly have got away over the next decade.
I'd really be surprised if that wouldn't sound bad in 5-7 years, just because football rarely works out like that.
I agree that they are very different. They are very different in the sense that one has a lot more footballing talent than the other, in my opinion.
How, or even why, are you mentioning Bellingham in a thread about Musiala? You are aware there are several ways to play a position, yes? Effectiveness is the bottom line, not aesthetics, and to that end, Musiala has a long road ahead of him despite looking absolutely sublime as a talent.
Musiala will be better assessed when up against teams and defences that have a prayer against him and Germany, and we'll see what that looks like deeper into the competition.
I still say he's better than Bellingham. He's got much more to his game, he's an absolute menace.
But, how?
Bellingham, as a pure central midfielder engine, has so many attributes that Musiala has never displayed and never will display.
It's like saying that Bruno Fernandes is a more complete midfielder than Lothar Mattheus.
Musiala can't play as a 6, or an 8, plays out wide for Bayern most of the time, has never shown he has a huge engine, or great defensive positioning, hasn't shown amazing tackling abilities, or amazing goalscoring abilities, or great physical strength.
You can definetely make the argument that Musiala is a better pure #10 in the traditional sense (though stats would prove otherwise), but to say he is more complete? I dunno how you can reach that conclusion.
Wow. His frame is like Van Persie/MG but his dribbling is something we haven’t seen in a while from a player with long limbs.
Simply sensational tonight.
Simply sensational tonight.
I really like this player. He repaid this tonight in my fantasy team also.
Why are people talking about him like a midfielder and why is Bellingham being brought up and why are they being compared as midfielders
Musiala is not a central midfielder. Or an Iniesta-type hybrid midfielder/winger. He's a pure attacking player
So is Bellingham at this point, btw. In that they are similar. Other than that: one is a dribbling wizard, the other more of an all rounder with a better eye for goals and more of a big picture playing style (Musiala, being a dribbling wizard, doesn't *need* to play like that)
Musiala is not a central midfielder. Or an Iniesta-type hybrid midfielder/winger. He's a pure attacking player
So is Bellingham at this point, btw. In that they are similar. Other than that: one is a dribbling wizard, the other more of an all rounder with a better eye for goals and more of a big picture playing style (Musiala, being a dribbling wizard, doesn't *need* to play like that)
No he wasn't key at all; very poor in the knock outs. Vinicius was key
Let me ask you, what attribute does Bellingham possess that really stand out?
I mention Bellingham because unlike Musiala, the sideways passer has looked average every time I've seen him including in games he has scored in. Yet Musiala doesn't get half the hype that Bellingham gets.
As for assessment against better defences, that applies to all players. But, with what he was against yesterday, Musiala looked like a world beating talent.
Quality control
That is the prototype response you get when criticising Bellingham as if that alone makes him a great player.
It shows that he's not average.
Perhaps better to leave the Bellingham discussion for his own thread, completely different players
Did Bellingham kill your dog or something? You spend a LOT of time here slagging him/England off.
this guyA newbie called „Alpha 1“. Certainly a WUM.
Bellingham is pretty annoying tbf and over rated.
I have no horse in this race. I think they're both great. I would just like to point out that Musiala played as DM early on and was progressively moved up the pitch due to his dribbling.
Everyone said that when Gerrard/ Lampard / Scholes were around . See how that went granted it was more 4-4-2 back then
It clearly shows he isn’t average. If this is how you debate with people on here you won’t last long. Don’t chat shit.
Your obsession with Bellingham is defining you; if that is to be your “thing” then on your head be it. Your assessment of the player is not objective nor balanced, and as below:
It, makes little sense.
Musiala has a long way to go to mature his game, and whilst he’s a player who people would genuinely pay money to watch, his overall impact on games isn’t a patch on those of his type (who he should actually be compared to) currently or throughout history. Does that mean anything in particular right now? No. Because he has an extensive and complex style of play to work the kinks out of and mature, and he’s highly likely to put his whole game together and then hold a candle to those of his type, farther down the line.
Outside of them both being features in and around the final third, what grounds do you actually think there is for direct comparison? Why is Bellingham drawn up for 1:1 instead of, say, Wirtz? Is Musiala better than Wirtz? If not, why not? What do you use as the set of metrics to discern this, and why are you using them?
As much as aesthetics are what brings joy to proceedings, effectiveness is the bottom line in football. If that’s married to a beautiful aesthetic, subarashi, but the bottom line is impact on games, not the fanciest highlight reel. Those we laud the most combine the two with consummate ease; Musiala has not done that to this point in his career, so it’s not prudent to compare him to those who have or do - Musiala’s measure will never be how good what he’s doing looks over how effective it is, and that will be determined once Germany face teams who are not dumbfounded by his bedazzling feet and trickery. He puts these kind of performances in in the KO stages and the plaudits will come thick and fast, as they should, but tearing a team like Scotland to shreds is bread and butter stuff for a player whose dribbling is alien to that calibre of opponent. Ironically, you’re in Bellingham’s thread tearing him down for his performance level at the money end of the season, where games matter, yet you’re championing another player over him for a performance against Scotland… -_-
Musiala’s story will be written as Germany progress; he’s shown many a time he can destroy fodder, and it’s par for the course given the skill set he has. Let’s see if he holds up to scrutiny once the contest is on an even footing, or even with Germany being the underdog.
What else is supposed to make him a great player
I don't think Bellingham is great in the deeper positions though, irregardless of whether he's played there. I think he's built hits reputation mainly on what he does in the final third, but quite often on the biggest stage he goes missing or games just pass him by. Musiala is just a constant threat every time I see him, and unsettles opposition a lot with his dribbling. In my view they're both advanced midfielders and I feel Musiala is more effective and has more talent.
"Dribbling Wizard"
Who the feck talks like that in real life?
Imagine talking about the match in work the next day...
"Hey Steve, see the Bayern match last night? Your man Musiala looked great."
"Yeah he was top class. He's such a dribbling wizard."
Who the feck talks like that in real life?
Imagine talking about the match in work the next day...
"Hey Steve, see the Bayern match last night? Your man Musiala looked great."
"Yeah he was top class. He's such a dribbling wizard."
You guys have stolen enough players. Don’t be greedy
"Dribbling Wizard"
Who the feck talks like that in real life?
Imagine talking about the match in work the next day...
"Hey Steve, see the Bayern match last night? Your man Musiala looked great."
"Yeah he was top class. He's such a dribbling wizard."
Agreed. I'd say he's more of a dribbling sorcerer. Wizard just sounds off
He’s a brilliant player to watch and I thought he was the best on the pitch last night. But already I can sense the overrating happening yet again because hes a pretty dribbler. It happens every single time. Dribbling is a great attribute and it looks flashy and fantastic, but it’s not the only attribute which is why I think Wirtz will end up the better player. It’s still early to say and maybe musiala will add the goals to make him truly elite, but at the moment he’s more about his fantastic dribbling opening up moments.
Great player, but we also saw several times this season what happens if you go for him hard. He starts sulking and complaining and then falls completely off. Amazing if everything goes well, will see in harder games.
Ideally you need a bit of both in a team. We have a elite passer but we desperately miss a real dribbler.
this year yeah, but what about his bundesliga player of the year playing as a pure b2b cm?
It seeemed so forced from ITV, he’s actually nothing like Kaka in my opinion. His closest comp for me is clearly Isco.
He turned the game against us in the Allianz too. Fantastic player, whose international decision has limited the hype around him to what it would have been.
I don't think Bellingham was anywhere near Musiala's level of performance in the Bundesliga. I would rank the recent Bundesliga prodigees like that:
1. Wirtz & Musiala
3. Sancho
4. Haaland
5. Bellingham
6. Havertz
Bellingham plays much better for Madrid than he did for Dortmund. But he's a very different player to Musiala and Wirtz. Which is why he'll eventually play a bit deeper than they do. He doesn't possess the same attacking prowess but they lack his wholistic impact all over the pitch.