Us getting Upamecano doesn`t say a lot about how Sancho`s deal will be affected IMO. It`s simply a case of one of the 3 positions we were to strengthen this summer(CB, CAM, RW)being dealt with and such situations are always budgeted for before the window starts so if we are still after Sancho even whilst trying to sign Upa then we`re just speculating over Sancho`s affordability as Woodward/Ole/Glazers are the only ones who know our budget not us. VDB solves the CAM position Upa solves the CB position and depending on how quickly we close down that deal it gives us time to buy a RW and Sancho is clearly our top target. Sanchez is gone, Chong is out on loan and with VDB coming in Lingard and Pereira are seemingly heading out the door that leaves our front line very short naive to think a lot of effort wont be put in to sign a RW of course if we don`t get Sancho it will be someone cheaper but Upa`s deal is not mutually co existent to Sancho`s IMO
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Yeah, I totally agree mate, and I hope you're right.
I'd put this Sancho deal in the same bracket as the Pogba one: expensive outlay but one with huge commercial potential and at his age, he'll essentially pay for himself.
My issue is, rightly or wrongly, it seems that Woodward and Judge don't want to push the boat all the way out to bring him in this summer at the price that Dortmund want for him.
I do hope we can get him in because a properly solid window of VdB, Sancho and Upamecano (maybe even Thiago) would have us more than well set for proper progression next season.
In reply to the bolded part, yes it really would, I’d expect a challenge from us with those additions.
Maybe not winning the league but I’d expect us to be right in the mix.
There’s nothing to suggest we are still in him after Dortmund deadline, as there’s not much progress ever since - absolutely zero progress to be exact.
The biggest obstacles being we don’t have enough cash to buy him and Dortmund is in no rush to sell him cheap either. Our recent other purchase and linking up with other targets firmly suggested we are looking elsewhere to spend our budgets.
I know this is totally against the muppets spirit here, but as we are already getting to this stage, truth has to be told.
The biggest obstacles being we don’t have enough cash to buy him and Dortmund is in no rush to sell him cheap either. Our recent other purchase and linking up with other targets firmly suggested we are looking elsewhere to spend our budgets.
I know this is totally against the muppets spirit here, but as we are already getting to this stage, truth has to be told.
You’re sillyThere are plenty of reports from reliable UK journalists to say he is still the no. 1 target. We don't know whats is going on, to say either way is pure speculation, but as previously mentioned in this thread until we brief it's over (as this is common practice by the club) I will have hope that it can be done.
Nothing except the fact that everyone close to Utd have all still briefed that Utd are working on the deal behind the scenes otherwise there would be a Griezmann/Dybala esque link we`ve walked its been over a month since Zorc`s brief how much longer to Utd need to kill off a deal which is completely dead in the water if it was the case?
Us going after other targets is not using our budget elsewhere as more than once its been reported RW, CB, CAM are the priorities and have been budgeted for with VDB/the CAM position sorted the Upamecano links shows its the CB position next more a case of dealing with other positions so as to avoid letting one deal handicap our ability to invest in other places before its too late. Once the CB position is sorted watch how noise around Sancho will intensify as it only leaves the RW position left to deal with
You forgot that they also sold players, like Morata for €56m and Hazard for €115m.
Anyway, I agree largely on what you said about those scumbags Glazers. Usually an owner buy a club, pay off the club's debts and invest his money into the club. We must be the single club in history that has to pay the owner's debts and give them money.
Tbh I have no idea how much we can spend this summer. However €120m is a lot of money in the current circumstances and imo it's understandable if the club decides not to spend all that on a single player.
Can we please stop with the weird narrative, that the Glazers splashed the cash for the Buccs in the NFL?
There are no transfer fees, Brady and Gronk signed on a free. Salaries also dont matter since there's a salary cap. Any money spent on those new players would have been invested anyway, since all teams obviously try to make best use of their salary cap space.
By all means, criticising and hammering the Glazers is fair and just, and there are enough reasons to do so, without the need to pretend they prioritized signing Brady for the Buccs.
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While results on the field would help, it's not make or break in regards to a good shirt sponsor paying up. Not as long as we are at least visible in the CL and so many around the world wear our shirt in a leisurely fashion.
To the right sponsor it would mean more if we signed a popular Chinese player than if we won the Champions League. As that'd likely increase the amount of Chinese people wearing our jersey. (Or from any other large market)
A brand being associated with winning is great, but the main factor is just visibility.
Perhaps we are throwing everything we have at him. Ultimately we have a limit, and that may well be short of what Dortmund want.
Agree with this and I suspect that if we get Upamecano and VDB signed up the club will go for a cheaper alternative like Brooks and brief that we will go for Sancho next season. The signing of VDB and Upamecano will dilute the backlash from the fans.
On Sancho I think we overplayed our hand but it turned out that Dortmund were not that desperate to sell and they were serious about their deadline and possibly pissed off that we tried to lowball them.
Looks dead to me. I think we were trying to negotiate the deal but it came to a point where we needed signings and nothing could be agreed. There was probably a cut off point before we started looking at other options.
I do not think 2 signings will dilute the backlash from fans, this is a deal we have been trying to work for almost a year so expect a big backlash.
Till now, alot of fans are confident that we will sign Sancho and I am talking a big proportion of fans.
My feeling is we will try again later in the window with a final offer and a structure that does not completely shaft us. If Dortmund accept great. If they don’t, then Utd will accept they have to try again next summer.
I want us to do everything to get him and I’m pretty sure Utd will push the finances as far as is possible to get him. But if that is not enough they will accept they tried everything.
I know Glazers get heat a lot for wanting profits (which is what every owner of a business wants right?). But they have also spent heavily on players too. It’s not like they have been stingy. It’s just been badly spent. While they keep spending and we are having £100m+ spends we can’t argue they haven’t tried.
IMO if Sancho isn`t a Utd player this summer he never ever will be. Ronaldinho 2.0 if we don`t get it over the line and I think its why Utd are trying their hardest to get him now because next year they know chances of getting him are close to 0% could explain why we`re yet to brief that we`ve walked.
This will be a Harry Maguire where we'll fold on the last few days, Dortmund saw us do it last summer and know we'll do it again, why would they accept a lower offer knowing that? It's a poker match to see who will call who's bluff, United will run it as late as they can to try and save money but they know they have to sign someone, if nothing else comes off in the mean time they'll just fold and offer the full amount.
More importantly; is this going to be the longest muppet thread in history? What's the record?
More importantly; is this going to be the longest muppet thread in history? What's the record?
Dortmund also know they won’t get more for him
next summer. It’s a case of who blinks first. All Dortmund have to do is knock £10m off the price and he’s ours
I also think the same but I don't see a way where we could spend 100m odd on Sancho then another 100m on DVB and Upamecano - its simply not feasible in this environment and the fact that we are finally going for these players might suggest that we have moved on from this and have decided to strengthen other areas.
I believe that most fans agree with the both of us mate, but i still think that 120 mil will be a lot of money for our club in the near future aswell, even without the covid thingy. But lets hope for the best. Also i wouldn't have anything against the idea of going basically the way of BVB, Red Bull (both Salzburg and Lepizig). Good scouting, buy players like AWB the year before he will cost us 60 mil. I think that Stephen Howson said it, so its not my quote, but when we bought AWB and Utd sent out info that we had scouted 500 right backs. ''We scouted 500 right backs and we still bought the most obvious and the most expensive?'' I would have nothing against buying more youngster
But going that route we would need good DoF, or call it what you like, sporting director. I would love if Paul Mitchell was given the chance, or Rio. Rio seems to have the respect of other former players and club leaders. I have business with guys who run Bayern. Actually one of my clients went to school with Uli Hoeness. They respect the hell out of Man Utd, sir Alex, Rio etc. But not so much Edward Woodward. Because like it or not European football is run mostly by football guys, former players, coaches etc, so they respect those who have played the game and understand the game. Glazers and Edward dont get a lot of respect in the footballing community.
I don't know how much you watch NFL, but signing on a free is not signing on a free. there is usually large chunk of signing fee + large amont of salary. You can spend your whole budget or you don't. Like Bengals have not spent anything over the last 20 years. Neither did Glazers. Their own businesses got a devastating hit during the financial crisis and Tampa Bay and Manchester United were the ones who bailed them out.
But Brady and Shaq Barrett will cost them 100 million over the next 2 seasons. only 2 players. They have spent their whole salary cap and I believe they will have the largest cap in the NFL this season.
So you can spend money in the NFL and they are spending this year.
My theory is that we submitted an offer, Dortmund rejected and asked for some changes, we made some but not all that they want and we're at a stalemate waiting for the other to blink. We're hoping they decide to take the money, they're hoping we advance more cash or agree to a higher overall payment. I think the signing of VDB helps us a little, in showing we will pursue other targets and spend elsewhere, perhaps upping the pressure on Dortmund. If however we are at a stage where we have nothing close to an agreement and it looks like we won't get one, then we need to press ahead and plug the gaps in the squad and tee this up for next summer.
Athletic article today on VDB says that United's negotiations for Sancho are exhausting (fading?) - But there remains some hope.
Feels to me like it's going to be easier for everyone to pick this back up in 8 months time, and try to get a deal struck early next Summer.
Feels to me like it's going to be easier for everyone to pick this back up in 8 months time, and try to get a deal struck early next Summer.
We are much more likely to get it done this summer. Too many unknowns between now and next year.
Sancho is Oles top target for the last 18 months and is insanely good. Missing out on him would be a huge miss. There is no other great RW around.
I still think we're exactly where we were. We're confident of getting him and think we'll be able to get him cheaper than their asking price. For that to happen though, I think he needs to push for a move.
I do think this will be done, but I'm not sure it'll happen before the season starts
I do think this will be done, but I'm not sure it'll happen before the season starts
Agreed. We have to do everything we can to get this done this summer.
Yes we have the possibility of doing the transfer next summer, but there will certainly be a lot more customers at the table. If plans of bringing back fans to the stadiums go well, then I can certainly imagine more competition for him. If Utd have the financial means, then we should do all we can to do it now.
0% chance this happens. Stop teasing yourselves.
Don't think anyone has said this yet, thanks for the new info
I'd like Ole to get his top target, sure. But you have to look at a few things...
Solskjaer has said and he knows that we need 4-5 players this summer to realistically put up a fight for the title and the market below Sancho is looking quite soft and there absolutely some bargains to be had.
VDB article says Real Madrid had a £50m bid accepted for Van Der Beek in January this year, but they had to back out because of the financial situation of covid, and Ajax (who had promised VDB a move) had to take a £10m hit. So we got him for £10m below his pre-covid value.
Solskjaer may decide that he'd rather get VDB for £40m, Upcamenco for £45m, Thiago for £28m, Coman for £35m (just examples, with sales) than spend it all on Sancho +1. Then you're getting several very good players in who can make the difference to make this team title challenge.
Also, Sancho may have more suitors next season. But it's a £100m deal. Anyone after him has to have him as their #1 target if they're going to spend £100m on him. And Sancho seems to prefer a return to England (I can't see any other English teams paying that for him, maybe Chelsea). If United fill their squad with a bunch of players this season, they can surely just go in to next summer "Sancho or nothing" and we'd probably be favourites.
Suppose it depends how much difference Solskjaer believes Sancho can make on his own.
On another note, this is the quietest I've seen this thread since August 1st.
How long will the muppets be happy feeding on their signing?
How long will the muppets be happy feeding on their signing?
Looks quite happy linking up with Rashford in his recent Instagram post.
He does seem like a bit of a tit though, doesn't he?
Would love to see him here though
Would love to see him here though
Who, Sancho seems like a tit?
Yup and he looks quite good in red
Yeah, with the England crest conveniently blocked out
I really hope we get him for Oles sake there just isn't a winger that money can buy available like him and there won't be another for a good few years most likely.
As long as he's our tit, I'll take it.
Somewhere, Lingard is crying into his pillow about being out of this loop.
Yup and he looks quite good in red
I think we all expected him to be the one deal we got done this summer, but I can't blame the club if the reports are true and Dortmund wanted the entire 120m up front. That's absurd for any big transfer, especially in today's world. Hopefully they stop being pricks and take the installments, or we'll just have to go again next summer when we'll inevitably have more competition.
Agree. The only place this transfer is alive is this thread. Everyone else has moved on. Still hoping we get him, but looks it’ll have to be next window at the earliest.
How is Sancho a tit? Can someone tell me what else he did other than having a haircut during lockdown?
Yup and he looks quite good in red
These two need to be in United kits and hopefully very soon
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