sillwuka
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I think Sancho wants the move but is scared to initiate anything publicly just in-case it all goes tits up and United cant afford the fee.
So it looks like it was actually us(Chelsea) who walked away from a Sancho move, just like I've always suspected. €50m for an agent on top of Dortmund's €140m rumoured valuation in January before Covid is crazy anyway you look at it. For those values alone I'm not fussed at all that we moved on. Some Chelsea fans can't seem to wrap their heads around it though, they think Sancho is just £18m away from Havertz but as it turns out things are much more complicated than that (larger upfront fee, agent fees and Sancho’s obviously hugh potential wage demands).
Wouldn't mind at all if United gets him.
Yes yes you believe that if it makes you feel better when there is no one credible source to absolutely prove it
So it looks like it was actually us(Chelsea) who walked away from a Sancho move, just like I've always suspected. €50m for an agent on top of Dortmund's €140m rumoured valuation in January before Covid is crazy anyway you look at it. For those values alone I'm not fussed at all that we moved on. Some Chelsea fans can't seem to wrap their heads around it though, they think Sancho is just £18m away from Havertz but as it turns out things are much more complicated than that (larger upfront fee, agent fees and Sancho’s obviously hugh potential wage demands).
Wouldn't mind at all if United gets him.
Agreed.
I despise the Glazers but I wouldn't blame them for not paying €120m for a 20 yo player in this climate.
If the VDB deal doesn't have a last second hitch, thats £40m gone.Do people think we will still sign him?
If the VDB deal doesn't have a last second hitch, thats £40m gone.
If United genuinely want Upcameano (or another CB) and want to pounce this Summer to avoid a bidding war next summer, that's another £40-50m gone.
So in that scenario circa £80m+ spent, so far £0 in.
If they happen, Be hard to see us spending so much, especially in a Covid environment. Either way it'll drag into next month - only way we have a chance is if we sell all the players we have on sale & then the Glazers let us take a bit of money from next season's budget.
Article on the Express report is dated January 4, 2020. That's on Ian McGrath reporting than Chelsea were quoted €120m by Dortmund when we enquired about Sancho. Quiet the coincidence that its the same reported figure Dortmund are demanding from United, especially after they came out saying there was no ‘Covid discount’, meaning whatever valuation they held for Sancho before Covid still holds, which is €120m.Yes yes you believe that if it makes you feel better when there is no one credible source to absolutely prove it
Article on the Express report is dated January 4, 2020. That's on Ian McGrath reporting than Chelsea were quoted €120m by Dortmund when we enquired about Sancho. Quiet the coincidence that its the same reported figure Dortmund are demanding from United, especially after they came out saying there was no ‘Covid discount’, meaning whatever valuation they held for Sancho before Covid still holds, which is €120m.
Same January 4, 2020 report suggests we were quoted €50m as agent fees by Sancho’s agent to get the deal done, which sounds like something the agent wouldn't even bother with if his client (Sancho) wasn't open to the move.
Now I know people pick and choose which reports to believe in according to how it makes them feel, but €120m valuation from a supposedly not credible report in January turning out to be the same valuation from Dortmund in August is too big a coincidence to ignore.
No guarantees for any talent to reach any level. But if they do reach that incredible level, the club that gets their best years' chances of success rise rapidly and those that miss out have to do with far lesser players in that position. I think 120 million is a lot of money too. But in today's market it's only a little above his evaluation considering the prices of Coutinho, Dembele, Felix , Griezmann, Hazard and old Ronaldo in the pre covid market. Adjusted for our near decade long wait for a proper RW and it's there or thereabouts.That's the thing though, he is "an elite talent" and there are no guarantees he will even reach his expectations. Some other guy named Joao Felix went for similar amount of money but hardly set the world alight so far. I am not saying Sancho will follow him but €120m is a lot of money for any player in the world, especially 20 year old talent. We shouldn't really slam the club if we refuse to pay that. I think it will depend on the sales. We certainly cannot afford him unless we shift some deadwood.
I keep coming back to this thread with the faint hope of any positive news at all but it's just muppets doing their best to convince themselves that we still have a chance.Do people think we will still sign him?
Do people think we will still sign him?
So it looks like it was actually us(Chelsea) who walked away from a Sancho move, just like I've always suspected. €50m for an agent on top of Dortmund's €140m rumoured valuation in January before Covid is crazy anyway you look at it. For those values alone I'm not fussed at all that we moved on. Some Chelsea fans can't seem to wrap their heads around it though, they think Sancho is just £18m away from Havertz but as it turns out things are much more complicated than that (larger upfront fee, agent fees and Sancho’s obviously hugh potential wage demands).
Wouldn't mind at all if United gets him.
They wouldn't love to see their bank account growing with more than 100m? Dude....wake upWhen we get this deal over the line, we all have to collectively take the responsibility upon ourselves to co-ordinate a scheduled visit to Dortmund's twitter account and all post "You love to see it!" all at the same time. It will be a beautiful moment and a tremendous team building exercise for us all. I'm sure Dortmund would love not to see it!
I keep coming back to this thread with the faint hope of any positive news at all but it's just muppets doing their best to convince themselves that we still have a chance.
I think we have around a 0.5% chance of getting him this summer.
Should I be surprised that you picked my post to spill your distaste of human gullibility, after 835 pages of this thread?I always wonder how so-called journalists and so-called papers/ rags are able to stay alive spouting nonsense year after year. An article suddenly is a «rumor», although it’s actually a lie, invented by some greasy hack in front of a computer. Player A to club B, fee C millions. No truth, 100% fabrication.
After reading your post, now I understand why the abovementiod happens. People are idiots, people are gullible, they eat what’s in front of them. Year after year. No offence, well actually, offence. And Donald Trump is president, I need to move deep into the forest where there are no people.
Lord help us if we’re pinning our hopes on James.It’s super important for James to step up if we don’t sign any wide players this summer.
Article on the Express report is dated January 4, 2020. That's on Ian McGrath reporting than Chelsea were quoted €120m by Dortmund when we enquired about Sancho. Quiet the coincidence that its the same reported figure Dortmund are demanding from United, especially after they came out saying there was no ‘Covid discount’, meaning whatever valuation they held for Sancho before Covid still holds, which is €120m.
Same January 4, 2020 report suggests we were quoted €50m as agent fees by Sancho’s agent to get the deal done, which sounds like something the agent wouldn't even bother with if his client (Sancho) wasn't open to the move.
Now I know people pick and choose which reports to believe in according to how it makes them feel, but €120m valuation from a supposedly not credible report in January turning out to be the same valuation from Dortmund in August is too big a coincidence to ignore.
Lord help us if we’re pinning our hopes on James.
I know, we are all guilty of it of course. Muppetry and all that. I just find those similarity in valuation quiet interesting and informative about our(Chelsea) stance on Sancho. Maybe those reports were actually credible? Maybe Chelsea actually did walk away from Sancho?Which is exactly what you're doing
Fairly yes. It seems Utd want to work on other deals first to avoid letting this Sancho saga drag too long to avoid making other signings so it may stay silent for a small while as a result. Once we get a CB and if our apparent opportunistic interest in Thiago bears fruit we`ll hear more noise on Sancho. It was a deal that was always going to go right down the wire.This one's been very quiet lately; are people still confident?
Another poster provide the link to the report on here, I just read it and provided my opinions based on what I knew in Chelsea quarters around that time (January window). Express might be a poor source, but as the old saying goes...“even a broken clock is right twice a day”. There have been some well know credible journalists working for questionable papers.@Mount's Goatieson you are quoting the express. That tabloid is known for publishing made up rumours we came up with here in the caf for shits and giggles as actual stories
Uhm no. Chelsea hasn't spent much in two years and they have a sugar daddy. Everyone has been affected by Covid. Basically regardless of your business your income/revenues just drop, sometime dramatically. And it'll continue. If the Glazers refuse to strengthen I'll be among the first to slam them. But €120m is a lot of money, even in normal circumstances''This climate'' is load of bull being fed to you by the Edward and Glazer PR. Snap out of it lad.
Chelsea have bought Malang Sarr and Thiago Silva, Werner for 55 mil, Chilwell 50 mil, Zyiech for 40 mil, Havertz for nearly 100 mil and also want to add Rice.
Even Napoli spent 70 mil on Osimhen
City bought Nathan Ake for 40 mil
Our transfer budget last year was 100 mil, even though none of the fans believed it. It was not because of the ''climate'', it was because of the restrictions the Glazers put on ourselves. Glazers, not the climate. Same is this year, the same will be next year.
Bruno deal in January only happened because of the mood that the club was in after the Burnley game. I believe it was the worst feeling the fans have had towards Edward and the owners in a long time. Culminating with some random dudes' house being set a light. After that Edward moved pretty quickly and bought Bruno. He can move very quickly when board gave the money. I still believe that they would not have bought Bruno if those things would not have happened
It is sad that when we want to see ambition we have to go full muppet and do those things, first we have to feel like shite, then burn twitter, caf and house down and then we see some ''ambition'' from the owners and Edward.
But €120m is a lot of money, even in normal circumstances
This is what I think, maybe we’ve just moved on and decided to fill other gaps, and maybe even go back next summer.If we're serious about Thiago and Upamecano, we won't be getting Sancho this window.
We'd have to raise significant funds through sales, and we don't have the players currently in the window to do that.
And that would be fine as long as we actually manage to get these other players.This is what I think, maybe we’ve just moved on and decided to fill other gaps, and maybe even go back next summer.
So now you're going to believe every article just in case they're right on the odd occasion? You're trying very hard to justify your stance on this which is built on a paper known to brazenly bullshit on a daily basis.Another poster provide the link to the report on here, I just read it and provided my opinions based on what I knew in Chelsea quarters around that time (January window). Express might be a poor source, but as the old saying goes...“even a broken clock is right twice a day”. There have been some well know credible journalists working for questionable papers.
I knew Chelsea walked away from the Sancho deal, long before I saw this link in here this morning. I thought it just threw more light on why that was so.
Our window wasn`t Sancho or bust though as its been clear our priorities are CB, CAM and RW this summer(I`m still not sure we`ll get Thiago an opportunistic buy maybe but he`ll go to LFC IMO)If we're serious about Thiago and Upamecano, we won't be getting Sancho this window.
We'd have to raise significant funds through sales, and we don't have the players currently in the window to do that.