Jadon Sancho| Staying at Dortmund for now

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dbs235 said:
Even if he doesn't improve from this point, he's already one of Dortmund's best players. Any small improvement and he'll basically be world class.
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Sancho looks terrific in the BuLi highlights I've seen of him.

Just wondering though, (based on the 4 UCL games I seen of Spurs destroying BVB & Pool beating Bayern), whether this truly means that he's just a small way from world-class (as you put it) or if the league is simply not at its best right now.
 
laughtersassassin said:
Highest rated English talent is his age group that won the world cup no?
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Uh no? He was rated the same as Foden,CHO or Brewster, he was even on the bench in favor of CHO at some point.

dbs235 said:
Haven't seen the original quote but if you're talking about Sancho then he 100% was rated the highest in that group.
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No he wasn't, there was a lot of talented 2000 players and no one really set himself apart, Sancho wasn't even rated higher than Foden or CHO, they were kinda even.

In Rainbows said:
A few years ago, I felt the highest rated kids from the 2000 group was Sancho, Foden, and Gomes. And probably Sessegnon.
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Na.
Fiete-Arp,Gouiri,Adli were rated just as high as the English kids during the World Cup/Euro U17.
 
In fairness, Sancho, Foden and CHO are all very, very promising.

England really do have some promising young talent at the moment. More than at any time I can remember.
 
BalanceUnAutreJoint said:
Na.
Fiete-Arp,Gouiri,Adli were rated just as high as the English kids during the World Cup/Euro U17.
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I'm talking English talent. And the consensus was that the English kids were the best collection from that generation.


And Brewster? You've got to be kidding me. Brewster is a good player, but he's benefited by being supplied by an insanely talented group of creative players. No way was he ever considered as talented as Sancho. Many people prop him up due to his WC exploits, but that's poor evidence. If you were to use goals as the measuring stick for a youth striker, Brewster would be rated higher than Greenwood (even if he plays as a 10), when we all know that's wrong.

Also benched by CHO? I mean what? Are you sure you're not confusing him leaving the WC tournament midway because Dortmund recalled him? Is my memory that bad? I remember Foden being benched by Gomes a few years ago (like 1 or 2 years before WC), but not that.
 
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Any chance of Hudson-Odoi as a Plan B?

I know Chelsea would hate to lose him but if he's running his contract down they'd surely rather get £40/50m from us than nowt. And they did sell us Matic.
 
Eckers99 said:
Any chance of Hudson-Odoi as a Plan B?

I know Chelsea would hate to lose him but if he's running his contract down they'd surely rather get £40/50m from us than nowt. And they did sell us Matic.
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Is he not a left winger? Has played on the right side recently but I think he prefers the left side.

Talented player.
 
Svartzonker said:
Is he not a left winger? Has played on the right side recently but I think he prefers the left side.

Talented player.
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He shoots more from the left side as he can cut in easier, on the right he plays more as a traditional winger. Good both sides though.
 
Judas said:
No chance, they'll sell abroad if he's desperate to go.
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Even if he made it clear he was hell-bent on coming to OT? Has he got 1 year on his contract or more? I know it's unlikely but surely they'd take the cash rather than losing him for free?

Svartzonker said:
Is he not a left winger? Has played on the right side recently but I think he prefers the left side.

Talented player.
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I think he can play right or left but he's looked great as a traditional right winger on the rare occasions he's played. He's very direct on the right, just seems to beat his man for pace and fire in dangerous crosses/shots.
 
Think he will start one of England's games, will be interesting to watch.
 
BalanceUnAutreJoint said:
Uh no? He was rated the same as Foden,CHO or Brewster, he was even on the bench in favor of CHO at some point.


No he wasn't, there was a lot of talented 2000 players and no one really set himself apart, Sancho wasn't even rated higher than Foden or CHO, they were kinda even.


Na.
Fiete-Arp,Gouiri,Adli were rated just as high as the English kids during the World Cup/Euro U17.
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Coming from someone who follows English youth teams I can assure you he was. Of course Foden and CHO were also extremely highly rated, but still slightly behind him. I'm sure @Classical Mechanic, @Sean_RedDevil and @Walters_19_MuFc would agree that Sancho was still the stand out in that group.
 
BalanceUnAutreJoint said:
Uh no? He was rated the same as Foden,CHO or Brewster, he was even on the bench in favor of CHO at some point.


No he wasn't, there was a lot of talented 2000 players and no one really set himself apart, Sancho wasn't even rated higher than Foden or CHO, they were kinda even.


Na.
Fiete-Arp,Gouiri,Adli were rated just as high as the English kids during the World Cup/Euro U17.
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Disagree slightly on this.

Only Gomes was rated higher at a younger age but by the time they hit u17 he wasn’t the star anymore.

Watched all the euro u17 and the u17 World Cup Sancho was the star for that England team. If he was benched (can’t actually remember him not starting) it was for rotational reasons only.

He would have walked player of the tournament at the World Cup and probably been not far of Brewster for goals had he not been recalled by Dortmund.

Agree with your points about talents in Arp etc there were other very exciting talents at both tournaments, Abel Ruiz of Spain was very good at both also.
 
dbs235 said:
Coming from someone who follows English youth teams I can assure you he was. Of course Foden and CHO were also extremely highly rated, but still slightly behind him.
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Did Sancho stand out in the U17 WC before being called back to Dortmund?
 
If our window was signing Alderweireld, Rabiot and Sancho what would you all think? Plus selling a few players we don't need.
 
I’ve said earlier in the thread that for me personally I thought he was at a similar level to Gomes, CHO and Foden. Gomes fell behind obviously but I guess Sancho was the more eye catching of the lot due to his flair. People talked about Timothy Weah and Vinicius as the other super talents in that 2000 group but I think Sancho was better than them, Foden and CHO are better too.
 
Nick. said:
If our window was signing Alderweireld, Rabiot and Sancho what would you all think? Plus selling a few players we don't need.
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If we could get a RB currently in their prime, like a Meunier, someone who would allow us to ease Young out, while allowing Dalot to develop, I would be happy with that. The thing about signing Toby is that we’ll soon need to be thinking about his replacement as well. Someone like De Ligt would be perfect. Young, already very good and a leader.
 
Nick. said:
If our window was signing Alderweireld, Rabiot and Sancho what would you all think? Plus selling a few players we don't need.
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I’d be very pleased with that. They’ll be quality additions to positions we need strengthening.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
I’ve said earlier in the thread that for me personally I thought he was at a similar level to Gomes, CHO and Foden. Gomes fell behind obviously but I guess Sancho was the more eye catching of the lot due to his flair. People talked about Timothy Weah and Vinicius as the other super talents in that 2000 group but I think Sancho was better than them, Foden and CHO are better too.
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Timothy Weah isn't even remotely close to a super talent I'd say. He's not even the best American player of that age group. Name recognition helps I guess.
 
Cloud7 said:
If we could get a RB currently in their prime, like a Meunier, someone who would allow us to ease Young out, while allowing Dalot to develop, I would be happy with that. The thing about signing Toby is that we’ll soon need to be thinking about his replacement as well. Someone like De Ligt would be perfect. Young, already very good and a leader.
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I'd just stick with Dalot as first choice personally. Perhaps risky but playing every week will be best for his development and he looks like he's got the potential to be good enough. Frees up money to spend on Sancho to fix the right wing issue and more money to throw at De Ligt and another CM.
 
Patrick08 said:
Lots of hypothetical situations there. Chelsea are transfer banned and already secured pulisic and have Hudson adoy who fails to get chances. Real Madrid already have a youngster more talented who I think will be better than Sancho if given play time in Brahim diaz who they just recently bought along side ascensio and viniscus junior. It will be difficult for them to offload bale with the price and salary he is on. I don't see any reason psg will get rid of top class striker given their ucl ambitions and see Sancho fulfilling those. Juventus don't buy youngsters for huge prices and already have players like bernardeshi who shone against athletico and retain costa too. Sale of coutinho remains far fetched as well.
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Don't agree on Coutinho but you're right I dead forgot Pulisic signed for Chelsea. Also I think Zizou coming back means Bale finally leaves for Italy or Spurs.

Is Brahim Diaz rated that highly?
 
Cloud7 said:
If we could get a RB currently in their prime, like a Meunier, someone who would allow us to ease Young out, while allowing Dalot to develop, I would be happy with that. The thing about signing Toby is that we’ll soon need to be thinking about his replacement as well. Someone like De Ligt would be perfect. Young, already very good and a leader.
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Meunier would be my choice at RB
 
More likely City will snap Sancho. Has he made clear he doesn't want to go back to City?
 
City won't move for Sancho this summer but next summer it might be quite realistic if Mahrez is underwhelming and Sane hasn't signed a new contract till then. They don't have enough home-grown players in the squad anyway, so they are forced to look for English talents. If they think that Sancho is extremely special, they will try to re-sign him similarly to how we did with Pogba.

So, we better sign him this summer, next summer more clubs might be interested in signing him, including City.
 
Pep's comments this weekend about Sancho make it unlikely he'll go back to City IMHO.

As for price, remember that Ousmane Dembele was sold for £135m only a couple of years ago and put in very similar numbers to what Sancho has so far (10 goals, 21 assists in 49 games to Sancho's 9 goals and 15 assists in 34 games). The market has inflated since then and Dortmund will know that Sancho will have basically all of England's top clubs after him soon, especially if he impresses for the national team at the Nations League Final or Euro 2020. They can afford to wait it out and sell Sancho at his maximum value.

I doubt we'll sign him this year but it's well worth a try. For anyone thinking £80m is expensive for him, Dortmund would turn that down in a heartbeat. I'm not even sure they will consider £120m. If we offer a fee above Dembele's and maybe pay most of it up front, that might tempt them.

Transfer fees this Summer will be insane IMHO.
 
SparkedIntoLife said:
Pep's comments this weekend about Sancho make it unlikely he'll go back to City IMHO.

As for price, remember that Ousmane Dembele was sold for £135m only a couple of years ago and put in very similar numbers to what Sancho has so far (10 goals, 21 assists in 49 games to Sancho's 9 goals and 15 assists in 34 games). The market has inflated since then and Dortmund will know that Sancho will have basically all of England's top clubs after him soon, especially if he impresses for the national team at the Nations League Final or Euro 2020. They can afford to wait it out and sell Sancho at his maximum value.

I doubt we'll sign him this year but it's well worth a try. For anyone thinking £80m is expensive for him, Dortmund would turn that down in a heartbeat. I'm not even sure they will consider £120m. If we offer a fee above Dembele's and maybe pay most of it up front, that might tempt them.

Transfer fees this Summer will be insane IMHO.
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Yeah, we will be paying Demeble fee and then some. £80 million would be robbery in broad day light.
 
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