Jadon Sancho| Staying at Dortmund for now

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He wasn't good in the first leg too, but like others have said, he's still a kid and it's harsh to judgment on these games.

It does reinforce my point from earlier though, the fee required to get him puts a lot of pressure on a player who's still learning. I have my doubts.
 
PlayerOne said:
He wasn't good in the first leg too, but like others have said, he's still a kid and it's harsh to judgment on these games.

It does reinforce my point from earlier though, the fee required to get him puts a lot of pressure on a player who's still learning. I have my doubts.
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Forget the pressure. It's a massive risk that he simply isn't good enough. Could just be another Januzaj.

£100m is a monumental gamble. He certainly has talent and potential, but he is light weight and there is no guarantee he manages the step up in quality in the Premier League.

He plays in a very strong team at current so arguably gains chances that might not otherwise be there.

I think he would work in our counter attacking style, but I do wonder if he is really any better than Chong or Gomes if they were given chances.
 
RedTillI'mDead said:
Forget the pressure. It's a massive risk that he simply isn't good enough. Could just be another Januzaj.

£100m is a monumental gamble. He certainly has talent and potential, but he is light weight and there is no guarantee he manages the step up in quality in the Premier League.

He plays in a very strong team at current so arguably gains chances that might not otherwise be there.

I think he would work in our counter attacking style, but I do wonder if he is really any better than Chong or Gomes if they were given chances.
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Lets look at what our own kids have got tomorrow night before we start spending silly money on players that will block their progress … although I've seen Sancho playing live twice at Dortmund this season and I think he'd fit in perfectly with Lingard, Rashford, Martial, Pogba et al :p
 
RedTillI'mDead said:
Forget the pressure. It's a massive risk that he simply isn't good enough. Could just be another Januzaj.

£100m is a monumental gamble. He certainly has talent and potential, but he is light weight and there is no guarantee he manages the step up in quality in the Premier League.

He plays in a very strong team at current so arguably gains chances that might not otherwise be there.

I think he would work in our counter attacking style, but I do wonder if he is really any better than Chong or Gomes if they were given chances.
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Not sold on Chong. Granted he has only come on as a sub on occasion.
 
Sancho kind of stops on the ball a lot, a bit like Sanchez does, it could slow our attacks down. The prices being quoted are mad as usual. If we could get him for 50-60m I’d say go for it.
 
he's good but not 100m worthy. our money can be spent better.
 
PlayerOne said:
He wasn't good in the first leg too, but like others have said, he's still a kid and it's harsh to judgment on these games.

It does reinforce my point from earlier though, the fee required to get him puts a lot of pressure on a player who's still learning. I have my doubts.
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Oh I don't. It's clear as day he's going to be world class. If there's any possibility we can pick him up in the summer we have to go for it.
 
PlayerOne said:
He wasn't good in the first leg too, but like others have said, he's still a kid and it's harsh to judgment on these games.

It does reinforce my point from earlier though, the fee required to get him puts a lot of pressure on a player who's still learning. I have my doubts.
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I thought he was excellent in the first half of the first leg. Forced Spurs to then diligently man-mark him out of the game in the second half, which effectively precipitated the complete turnaround. To my eye, that game was as good an endorsement of his bona fide quality as anything I've seen.
 
RedTillI'mDead said:
Forget the pressure. It's a massive risk that he simply isn't good enough. Could just be another Januzaj.

£100m is a monumental gamble. He certainly has talent and potential, but he is light weight and there is no guarantee he manages the step up in quality in the Premier League.

He plays in a very strong team at current so arguably gains chances that might not otherwise be there.

I think he would work in our counter attacking style, but I do wonder if he is really any better than Chong or Gomes if they were given chances.
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He's definitely not another Januzaj. Januzaj wasn't close to his level of consistency at 18. He will retain an English premium and looks far more a polished talent at 18.

£100m is toppy though, that's for sure. I agree this is a bit silly - probably because of the Dembele deal Dortmund managed.

I don't want to go by todays match much. It looked like Wolf wanted to go on runs alone and never really used him.
 
The Irish Connection said:
Sancho kind of stops on the ball a lot, a bit like Sanchez does, it could slow our attacks down. The prices being quoted are mad as usual. If we could get him for 50-60m I’d say go for it.
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This is because he is a creator more than a forward.

It's the reason that I'm not too fussed about him coming at this current time & would prefer him when and if we decide to play with creative wingers.

We play with 2 forwards in our front three & I expect that to turn 3 in 3 this summer. If Sancho comes then he is more likely to end up as a false nine to create more than our RW. Our attack will become lopsided.
 
I have watched few Dortmund games ,he's good but not too special like Dembele or Mpappe.

Dortmund play as a unit, which masks individual players' limitations ,but when they leave the unit their limitations become apparent.

50-65 million should be his worth,including English and United 'tax'.
 
Great potential, but not consistent enough and very early for him as a first team regular to be slapping that price tag on him. He went to Dortmund for what, £8M? Way too much risk to meet their asking price.
 
If you bought him for £100m can you imagine the amount of pressure that would be on his young shoulders? The expectation might crush his confidence.
 
I thought he was pretty good. Especially in the first half he created some of Dortmund's best chances (some lovely balls in) but yeah, faded with the rest of his team in the second.

Player not being a one man army at 18? Shocker, the talent is still there for everybody to see. Also, you're not paying £100m or whatever for the player he is right now, but what he can become over the next decade, he has so much time to grow as a player that of course the fee is going to be inflated for someone showing so much at such a young age.
 
Bojan11 said:
How so?

It’s fair point to make that he’s not worth £100m right now. Nobody is saying he is crap.
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But you're paying it for his potential. Saying he isn't worth it because of a knock out tie v Spurs is incredibly kneejerk. You could only come to that conclusion if you watched every game of his for Dortmund. Didn't he tear Atletico Madrid a new one a few month ago?
He is 18 and this seems to be the confirmation of the talent that everyone knew he had rather than basing his potential off of 5 months of form. Nobody ever said he was the complete player as we stand today.
I don't even think he played that poorly in the first leg despite Spurs going out of their way to mark an 18 year old out of the game.
 
cyberman said:
But you're paying it for his potential. Saying he isn't worth it because of a knock out tie v Spurs is incredibly kneejerk. You could only come to that conclusion if you watched every game of his for Dortmund. Didn't he tear Atletico Madrid a new one a few month ago?
He is 18 and this seems to be the confirmation of the talent that everyone knew he had rather than basing his potential off of 5 months of form. Nobody ever said he was the complete player as we stand today.
I don't even think he played that poorly in the first leg despite Spurs going out of their way to mark an 18 year old out of the game.
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You don't pay £100 million for potential.
 
People were saying pretty much the exact same stuff about Pulisic this time last year. I’m very keen to see how he gets on for Chelsea next season and if justifies that hype. I’m sceptical to say the least.

I’ve seen too many players look like world beaters in that league and then struggle in the EPL. His good performances there don’t necessarily convince me that he’s ready. There’s much talent there, sure, but starting week in-week out in the EPL for a team with title aspirations and a huge price tag on your shoulders is a whole other level.

People talking about 100m. That’d make him the most expensive player bought by an EPL team ever. Let that sink in for a second. That’s not the price you pay for someone you hope will be develop into a big player, that’s what you pay for a big player.
 
Ekeke said:
You don't pay £100 million for potential.
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In 2019 you do.

Look, in this market today you have to take risks and be brave. Buying established players carries it’s own risks and we know better than most that they don’t work out either. Sancho is an elite talent. It’s worth it.
 
Ekeke said:
You don't pay £100 million for potential.
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You do in 2019. Name a wonderkid who goes on the cheap. Madrid are paying nearly 50m for 16 year olds these days

edit god damn my posts in here are mirroring the one above me!
 
BluesJr said:
In 2019 you do.

Look, in this market today you have to take risks and be brave. Buying established players carries it’s own risks and we know better than most that they don’t work out either. Sancho is an elite talent. It’s worth it.
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Well its been 2019 for 1 transfer window, who has been bought for £100 million for potential? No player has come anywhere close to that for potential. The only players bought for high fees are ones that are proving themselves.
 
cyberman said:
You do in 2019. Name a wonderkid who goes on the cheap. Madrid are paying nearly 50m for 16 year olds these days

edit god damn my posts in here are mirroring the one above me!
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Then you'll be able to give me 3 players who were bought for £100 million or around that mark for potential, not for what they can bring to a team now
 
Ekeke said:
Well its been 2019 for 1 transfer window, who has been bought for £100 million for potential? No player has come anywhere close to that for potential. The only players bought for high fees are ones that are proving themselves.
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Dembele was bought for potential. Mbappe cost nearly 200m after one season..Viniscus (sp) is a bigger punt than Sancho.
What player with the talent of Sancho has ever gone cheap?
 
cyberman said:
Dembele was bought for potential. Mbappe cost nearly 200m after one season..Viniscus (sp) is a bigger punt than Sancho.
What player with the talent of Sancho has ever gone cheap?
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No, Dembele was bought for what he was doing. Mbappe was bought for what he was doing.

You don't pay £100 million for potential. You pay a little bit on top of what a player is already capable of on potential.

You don't look at Declan Rice and say hmm he's probably worth a good £30 million right now. But he might improve a lot, so thats £130 million I'll bid for him.

No. You pay a small amount extra.
 
Ekeke said:
No, Dembele was bought for what he was doing. Mbappe was bought for what he was doing.

You don't pay £100 million for potential. You pay a little bit on top of what a player is already capable of on potential.

You don't look at Declan Rice and say hmm he's probably worth a good £30 million right now. But he might improve a lot, so thats £130 million I'll bid for him.

No. You pay a small amount extra.
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A small extra doesn’t get him. When will people grasp the concept that there is no market value for players, only what clubs are willing to sell for.
 
Ekeke said:
No, Dembele was bought for what he was doing. Mbappe was bought for what he was doing.

You don't pay £100 million for potential. You pay a little bit on top of what a player is already capable of on potential.

You don't look at Declan Rice and say hmm he's probably worth a good £30 million right now. But he might improve a lot, so thats £130 million I'll bid for him.

No. You pay a small amount extra.
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You think their performances were in sync with their fees? Come off it, Dembele went for 135m for feck sake. Mbappe had one season under his belt and he went for almost 200m. It's all about how good they can be and you pay for that.
We have two Dutch players playing in a worse league being valued at 70 odd million!
 
BluesJr said:
A small extra doesn’t get him. When will people grasp the concept that there is no market value for players, only what clubs are willing to sell for.
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Not getting a player is better than jumping the gun and paying way too much for him, and putting too much pressure on a young player derailing his career. Thats 2 parties getting screwed over, the club and the player. Only the selling club benefits.

Whatever you think Sancho is worth right now, add a small amount and thats how much you're paying for him, for what he can do now and what you hope he can do in the next few years.
 
cyberman said:
You think their performances were in sync with their fees? Come off it, Dembele went for 135m for feck sake. Mbappe had one season under his belt and he went for almost 200m. It's all about how good they can be and you pay for that.
We have two Dutch players playing in a worse league being valued at 70 odd million!
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Dembele was good enough in France for Dortmund to buy him. He was then good enough in Germany for Barcelona to buy him.

So no I don't think £135 million was spent thinking he can improve by £100 million

I think Barcelona bought him and added a smaller percentage of that fee extra to account for the fact they hope he can improve over the next few years.
 
cyberman said:
Dembele was bought for potential. Mbappe cost nearly 200m after one season..Viniscus (sp) is a bigger punt than Sancho.
What player with the talent of Sancho has ever gone cheap?
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Lad, what are you on about?

First off, Mbappe cost 165m not 200m. Secondly you’re comparing players of entirely different levels.

Mbappe had been smashing all the French teenage records set by none other than Hazard (teenager at Lille) and was known as by far the biggest talent ever seen at that age. At 18 he was one of the best players for Monaco as they won a league title and went to a CL final. He was a starter for a France squad brimming with talent. He’d been showing not only exceptional talent but also consistency on the highest stage.

If Mbappe is worth 160m, Sancho is not worth half that. You’re comparing a talented young 18yo player with someone who came 4th in Ballon D’or at age 19.
 
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