Out of interest, where do you get this info from?
Jadon Sancho| Staying at Dortmund for now
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Erm, yes? They could accept it ofcourse but hardly outlandish to believe there's no chance they reject. He's a critical part of that team and how they do this season depends quite a bit on his performance. Money can't play football so if they feel it's too late to get a replacement in, they'll hold on. It'll hardly be a shock.
We won't be in the Champions League next season so this was really the only chance we had to sign Sancho. Glazer's and Woodward have screwed the club over again.
Guys im a Dortmund fan, at the moment, this squad has a massive talent and depth, but a very bad coach. With a top coach, this team would challenge for every trophy this season, for sure..
But with Favre its a waste of this team unfortunately.
In this situation, i wouldnt mind Sancho go, but that is not happening for sure, there are many reasons for that.
Firat its the worst time to sell now because you want get the mlst you can get, they will get that next summer, next summer he will have 2 years left on his contract and it will def be more that 120M, 99% sure.
Next, that deal is dead from 10th August, its still alive only in England, because they have to write about something, United is so massive, stories about them sell and Sancho is a hot story at the moment..
But believe me if this is true, Kicker, Bild and other German newspaper would write about this also..
3th of all, Dortmund would not sell so late in the window, there are few reasons for that, the FO would lose all credibility, fans would go mad as hell and second they would have to go in some panic shopping, because losing Sancho would be big for their ambitions..
To be honest, this word ambition is so funny when your coach is Lucien Favre...
But with Favre its a waste of this team unfortunately.
In this situation, i wouldnt mind Sancho go, but that is not happening for sure, there are many reasons for that.
Firat its the worst time to sell now because you want get the mlst you can get, they will get that next summer, next summer he will have 2 years left on his contract and it will def be more that 120M, 99% sure.
Next, that deal is dead from 10th August, its still alive only in England, because they have to write about something, United is so massive, stories about them sell and Sancho is a hot story at the moment..
But believe me if this is true, Kicker, Bild and other German newspaper would write about this also..
3th of all, Dortmund would not sell so late in the window, there are few reasons for that, the FO would lose all credibility, fans would go mad as hell and second they would have to go in some panic shopping, because losing Sancho would be big for their ambitions..
To be honest, this word ambition is so funny when your coach is Lucien Favre...
I think If 120m came in the structure they want, they take it and run.
Football leaks, via Spiegel, released the details of the contract.
That's the spirit
Its truly baffling that so many fans don't understand this, and then act out because they feel a tiny bit inconvenienced!
The lack of movement into the last few days of the window is signs of incompetency and/or intent. It wasn't briefed because it wouldn't have been welcomed, it also wasn't briefed because the club does not fecking brief every fecking financial decision they make.
Briefing that the deal is dead 1. provides clarity, which would cause fans to be twice as upset if they aren't pursuing another target of similar quality, which I also don't think they want to do. 2. Is admitting to the fans, shareholders etc. that they openly could not get their primary target, as opposed to letting it play it's course, so they can easily play the 'Dortmund didn't budge' card. 3. Simply put, it would piss off a lot of fans who are already extremely on edge. 4. They won't brief because it's added exposure for them, increased revenue. They have publicly admitted how much they value the exposure and intrigue generated by being linked to high profile players. 5. The longer it drags on, inevitably, the less people begin to give a shit/lose hope. Distractions with the season etc. would idealistically (in their heads), make the downfall a lot easier. 6. If they let it continue boiling, they can use this as justification as to why other deals weren't done.
Also, your second point is a strawman argument. I never once said this was a PR stunt. I of course genuinely believe United want to sign Sancho. I also genuinely believe we pursued/are pursuing Sancho. What I don't believe is that we will pay anywhere near the amount required for Sancho, that's if Dortmund would even be willing to sell any more. They've lost one of their other first team wide players in Hazard for a considerable amount of time and the longer this drags on, the less time they have to get a replacement in, that's without even beginning to account for potential quarantines, time to get integrated into the team etc. Let's not also forget the consistent insistence to the media, both by their board, their players and their media mouthpieces that they won't let him go. Nothing like constant reminders to their fans that they have no intention of letting a player go, only for them to tell em all to get fecked as they supposedly let him go in the next few days. That being said, here are some examples of major targets we spent the majority of the window pursuing to miss out on: Vidal, Thiago, Fabregas(?), Hazard, Griezmann, Dybala - some names off the top of my head in recent memory.
Sancho being a professional has nothing to do with it. I'm glad he is. It's also even more of a reason as to why this will not happen. He is happy to stay and will stay. Once again, justifying my reasoning that it is no way comparable to Auba or Dembele scenarios.
I do believe United can pay it, easily. Where we disagree is on the possibility of them doing so. I don't believe they will. Also no, 100m for Sancho in a pandemic environment is a 'we tried' offer, as you don't spend the good part of 3 months being told what you would need to offer for a player, to delay and stall for the whole window, only to offer considerably less than said amount 4 days before the window opens, making it even more difficult for the selling club to accept due to time constraints. They knew full well that offer was going to be rejected, they ain't idiots.
Thanks! Then 90 some mil upfront plus add ons seems like a reasonable fee. If they reject that, it's as well as not wanting to sell as no club in Europe would pay 120mil upfront in this environment.
I wonder if we will get a flurry of briefs in the evening again, once details of another day of talks release.
Although I have a feeling we wont make a second bid before tomorrow for some reason.
Although I have a feeling we wont make a second bid before tomorrow for some reason.
I have to strongly disagree with you here. I’ll explain why.
50 days ago Dortmund were happy to accept 120m euro guaranteed payments. I don’t see why they would refuse it now. Yes it’s inconvenient as they are running out of time to find a replacement.
But lets say Utd did offer 120m euro at the beginning of August before their "deadline". They would just have lost their best player. There is absolutely no way Dortmund would have replaced Sancho with a player of equal ability for the coming season. They were always going to bring a youngster through or sign a young potential talent to develop. So whether we paid back then or now, Dortmund were always going to be weakened as a football team which would decrease their ability to win a trophy. They know themselves it's incredibly unlikely they'll challenge for Bundesliga or UCL with or without Sancho. I don't accept this notion that they won't sell now because they can't "replace" him. Any replacement was never going to be as good as Sancho. They were always going to spend only a fraction of the Sancho money to bring someone in which they still can, even within a couple of days. A £30-40m bid for Sarr would be easy to do in short notice. Dortmund's end game was never to challenge for honours.
Lads I think this is over for now. We go again next summer. Everything else is just our club trying to show we tried until the end
Yes! We have perfectly set up our brinkmanship position. But if its to work, we have to genuinely be prepared to go through with it. But I think BVB will blink first, probably at the weekend.
I wouldn't mind of we went through with the Dembele loan option. The kid has genuine talent, he'd come with a massive point to prove, and as he would be rotated with Greenwood on the right, we could even absorb some of his niggly injuries.
with 'respiratory illness' that Sancho had, or covid19?
Dortmund haven't change their tune, they always stated the same before and after August 10th. Same for the local press close to the club. It's (mainly) British & online journos claiming Dortmund counteracted their own stance off the record, which is a difference. You can of course choose to believe these reports, but there's been no contradiction in Dortmund's statements throughout the 'saga'.
Well it being match day for both clubs probably is weighing in on things but in reality I'm sure it's unrelated!I feel the same. And I have absolutely nothing to back it up
So you think the Sky Journo who has been hanging round Dortmund the last few days is lying?
Which we could have done much earlier and looked for other options if we were walking away. Leaving it to the last minute is plain stupidity when we have a position to be filled.
Would hardly be the first time Sky was wrong.
This thread has degenerated into a massive sweaty circle of naked men, each dead-eyed and dejectedly masturbating the flaccid penis of the gently sobbing bloke to his right, while repeating the mantra "You love to see it".
I don't know. I just say there are no confirmed facts, and the reports contradict. What to make of it is anyone's guess.
You'd have no issues with the board waiting until the final week of the transfer window? It's fine to walk away from the deal but to let this drag on for so long seems crazy. We've potentially left ourselves with just a few days to sort out any alternative deals.
Well he wouldn't just be wrong. He would be flat out lying. He is stood there on camera saying he has spoken with people at the club.
He may have done. Doesn't mean 1. they told him the correct information or 2. the people he spoke to have any credibility when it comes to our pursuit of Sancho.
The problem is whoever they want as replacement for Sancho will probably be a lot more expensive or perhaps unobtainable at this stage. They'd also lose all credibility and the fans would rage if they sell him now after being very clear about not selling him after 10th of August. I mean, why would they insist on not selling him after the deadline if their stance always was that 120m would be sufficient regardless of when. Why not just keep their mouth shut after the 10th of August instead of telling everyone on Twitter and even getting all their players to express how happy they are that he's staying for another year.
It just doesn't make sense that they'll accept a 120m bid now after the way they reacted after the 10th of August deadline. It also doesn't seem likely that United will pay what BvB demand which is 120m up front without installments. For me it seems like there's about 5% chance of it happening.
Not gonna happen.........today . 
Agree with this. The only thing I would say is they seem like they are fine with guaranteed instalments but aren't interested in potential bonuses that United want to include.
Thanks guys.
Was wondering whether structured payments work with Dortmund, contrary to their claims of 120M upfront or nothing.
Just hoping our next "bid" is of 90+20 and we close this before the weekend rolls in
But the person I was replying to said he only believes info provided by Dortmund rather than the British press. Why is Dortmund talking to a German paper now more reliable than Dortmund talking to a sky journalist? That was my original issue. I never claimed everything they said was definitely factual
Wow. That's a dark vision.
Disclaimer; I've never mentioned my penis in this thread or others.
Chelsea was in the same position with Harvetz and they signed him as quickly as they can. There is no point trying to play hardball when we need Sancho than any other players available.
If the situation was Telles and Porto is not willing to reduce their valuation then we should try another player. I can see the haggling as he is on his last year of contract.
Liverpool did this with Saar and Jamal Lewis. They are able to do this as the players are not fundamental to them challenging but to allow them to challenge for other cup competition.
NERD!
Ten journos all saying that Ole has decided he doesn't want to disrupt team chemistry this late and is happy with the squad he has, probably.
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