Jadon Sancho | £72.9M fee agreed

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Are Dortmund still considering this bid that we made a while ago now?
Did we write it in Egyptian Hyroglifics? Are they trying to decipher it to see what we've actually offered? Seems to have gone very very quiet!

No, that was rejected.

Reports saying we have made a second bid but its not satisfactory enough for Dortmund.

Sancho not getting game time for England is not doing Dortmund any favours either.
 
No, that was rejected.

Reports saying we have made a second bid but its not satisfactory enough for Dortmund.

Sancho not getting game time for England is not doing Dortmund any favours either.
I know about the first bid being rejected, but we made another on Saturday i think it was, or maybe Friday, i don't remember, but it's been under consideration ever since.

It's only Berger that says it's not satisfactory for Dortmund, but he's pretty much been proven to be chatting utter tripe anyway, he's reporting what everyone else is and then adding his own opinions which he seems to pass off as fact.
I think him and Jan are the only ones who have said it's not good enough, whereas no one else has said anything, just that it's still being considered... unless i've missed something
 
And yet again somebody completely missing the context. Sancho is probably ahead of Saka at the moment. Haven't seen anyone say he's not. I'm certainly not saying that.

However had Sancho been playing in that poor Arsenal side over the last 2 years he'd have nowhere near as many goals and assists as he currently does. Likewise put Saka in Dortmund's team and he'd have a lot more.

Sancho has about 90 goals and assists in just over 100 matches in the Bundesliga - that is almost twice as good as Kai Havertz who is considered one of the biggest german talents in the last 10 years
 
I know about the first bid being rejected, but we made another on Saturday i think it was, or maybe Friday, i don't remember, but it's been under consideration ever since.

It's only Berger that says it's not satisfactory for Dortmund, but he's pretty much been proven to be chatting utter tripe anyway, he's reporting what everyone else is and then adding his own opinions which he seems to pass off as fact.
I think him and Jan are the only ones who have said it's not good enough, whereas no one else has said anything, just that it's still being considered... unless i've missed something

Not sure then what the current situation is with this deal. We are bound to see alot of reports some conflicting ones too. Hopefully this can be done, I feel fans are losing the excitement of this transfer now.
 
If Sancho doesnt start next match - all we will have seen of him is a 12min cameo as England crash out in the last 16. Southgates assesment of him might be all knowing - but hes got a saka, grealish, bellingham and rashford all ahead of him. If Sancho was a £100mil talent, youd find space for him. I think his value should be going down but those jarmans seem to be pushing it up.....and we are going for it. Mental!!

England selection means the manager likes you because you’ve done it for him in the past or he thinks you can do a job tactically on any given day. That’s all it is. It’s not some absolute yardstick of current or potential ability. I personally would have been giving Rashfords minutes to other players simply because they look fitter and livelier in 2021. Southgate probably can’t do that because Rashford is going to be a key player for him in the future again when he gets back firing and he obviously wants to be involved in some capacity. Southgate needs to keep key people onside while also trying to win. Will he take Kane out even though he’s not been great? Probably not. It’s a balancing act, almost political in nature when you’re dealing with big players and it’s fair to say Sancho hasn’t build up that kind of credit yet.
 
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I understand some people's concerns about relying on peformances in the Bundesliga but Sancho isn't any normal Bundesliga player. He is one of the best young players, statistically, that the league has seen. I believe he broke some records. The point is that while there are never any guarantees he undoubtedly has the talent to become one of this generations best wide players. That's something we can't miss out for me. Obsessing about the whole 100 million thing is silly. We spent 80 million on a pretty good CB but people are scoffing at spending nearly the same amount on a special talent.

Get him to OT and give him a bit of time. I think he'll do great for us. Under quality management he will kill it in the pl
 
Sancho has about 90 goals and assists in just over 100 matches in the Bundesliga - that is almost twice as good as Kai Havertz who is considered one of the biggest german talents in the last 10 years

And yet that hasn't translated to quality England performances has it? He's got like 20 caps now and hasn't really shone in most of them.

Maybe the Bundesliga is absolutely crap. Timo Werner was devastating in that league too. Look how he's got on at Chelsea. Already they are looking to upgrade.

Sancho is a good player don't get me wrong however I think some of our fans have fallen into the trap of thinking he's a world beater. When and if he comes to the PL and faces teams who just park the bus his numbers are going to fall dramatically.
 
I see him as a LW signing and I'm quite happy about that, he's much better there and Greenwood/Diallo shouldn't be on the bench.
Ole doesn't see him as a RW signing and why should Diallo be pressured into being a starter so quickly? He still only has a handful of top flight experience at top level should be a squad player in the short term
 
The saga has been going on for so long now but it’s amazing that no other club emerges as a competitor.

Is it because clubs are wary of buying from BD given what happened with Dembele ?

It would be funny if we first sign a CB and let BD sweat a little. I suspect they are probably quite desperate to sell now and Sancho is probably quite desperate to move.
 
And yet that hasn't translated to quality England performances has it? He's got like 20 caps now and hasn't really shone in most of them.

Maybe the Bundesliga is absolutely crap. Timo Werner was devastating in that league too. Look how he's got on at Chelsea. Already they are looking to upgrade.

Sancho is a good player don't get me wrong however I think some of our fans have fallen into the trap of thinking he's a world beater. When and if he comes to the PL and faces teams who just park the bus his numbers are going to fall dramatically.

He has had 20 caps but put some context too, he's only started 10 games. He also has registered 3 goals and 5 assists in that time.

It's a very small sample size to say he hasn't done it for England.
 
If Sancho doesnt start next match - all we will have seen of him is a 12min cameo as England crash out in the last 16. Southgates assesment of him might be all knowing - but hes got a saka, grealish, bellingham and rashford all ahead of him. If Sancho was a £100mil talent, youd find space for him. I think his value should be going down but those jarmans seem to be pushing it up.....and we are going for it. Mental!!
Is Southgate a great judge of talent? We all know if Sancho was playing in the PL he would be getting more game time. Bellingham is getting games because England are light in midfield. If Henderson was fully fit I'm not sure he would be. Southgate picks his favourites and that's it and who gives a feck how players play for country. Paul Scholes used to get shoved on the wing, was he not good enough to play centre midfield?
 
Why??? Since when international tournaments with a handful of games with different players, tactics, managers are the criteria to REALLY judge how good a player is?

Are United judge him with his club performances (3 whole seasons) or with a few games here or there with his unfamiliar players from EPL?

I think we can agree that United want him and base their judgement on his club performances. Also, why our fans suddenly think that his crap all of a sudden just because of his England games or lack thereof.

I mean the player is 20/21. Has 3 good seasons with Dortmund under his belt. One of the best talents right now. Why hes not good enough to help us? Hes going to be one of the players to help us and not the savior as some want from our purchase. Theres no one in the football world right now that can make United champion by himself. If he comes in and can have similar impact like Bruno then its money well spend for us.

I cant understand posters that saying because theres no other club in for him therefore hes not that good for us. Its ridiculous to think like that. For once, maybe other clubs knows that hes set on wanting to come to Utd and also with last season saga, we can say that Utd already set the foundation with the player that other club didnt.
 
Anyone thinks he may start if we end up playing Germany?

I think we might go with a back three if we get Germany, to match up their wingbacks. James RWB and Walker RCB (with Stones and Maguire), to double-up on Gosens.
 
Why??? Since when international tournaments with a handful of games with different players, tactics, managers are the criteria to REALLY judge how good a player is?

Are United judge him with his club performances (3 whole seasons) or with a few games here or there with his unfamiliar players from EPL?

I think we can agree that United want him and base their judgement on his club performances. Also, why our fans suddenly think that his crap all of a sudden just because of his England games or lack thereof.

I mean the player is 20/21. Has 3 good seasons with Dortmund under his belt. One of the best talents right now. Why hes not good enough to help us? Hes going to be one of the players to help us and not the savior as some want from our purchase. Theres no one in the football world right now that can make United champion by himself. If he comes in and can have similar impact like Bruno then its money well spend for us.

I cant understand posters that saying because theres no other club in for him therefore hes not that good for us. Its ridiculous to think like that. For once, maybe other clubs knows that hes set on wanting to come to Utd and also with last season saga, we can say that Utd already set the foundation with the player that other club didnt.

It's pretty simple. Most of the people judge players on their most recent performances.

I.E check the Bruno page and see how many people think hes crap.

Secondly, not many people watch the bundesliga so cannot really judge how good he is.
 
The saga has been going on for so long now but it’s amazing that no other club emerges as a competitor.

Is it because clubs are wary of buying from BD given what happened with Dembele ?

It would be funny if we first sign a CB and let BD sweat a little. I suspect they are probably quite desperate to sell now and Sancho is probably quite desperate to move.
Same reason that in the past we have let our rivals around Europe sign players we just cannot fathom United not even being in for. Kante and Mahrez being two which Chelsea and City seemingly got a free ride to sign.

Sancho has agreed to sign for us and is set on moving back to Manchester and linking up with Rashford. Other clubs have probably enquired and been told by his agent that his mind is made.
 
This thread has never been in more need of an update. Some of the nonsense I’m reading is just unbelievable. Make it stop.
 
It's pretty simple. Most of the people judge players on their most recent performances.

I.E check the Bruno page and see how many people think hes crap.

Secondly, not many people watch the bundesliga so cannot really judge how good he is.
Then they use the BDL as a stick to beat him with how open the space in BDL is and how players there are less quality...etc. But then they go ahead and want Lewa, Coman, or some of the Bayern players if they are open for a move. I mean if you base how the whole BDL play to judge the player then there should be no other palyer from BDL that can play for Utd.
 
Then they use the BDL as a stick to beat him with how open the space in BDL is and how players there are less quality...etc. But then they go ahead and want Lewa, Coman, or some of the Bayern players if they are open for a move. I mean if you base how the whole BDL play to judge the player then there should be no other palyer from BDL that can play for Utd.

It is clear that Sancho is a brilliant player, you just need to watch him play to realise it really. Is he the finished article ? No, he is only 21.

What he will give you is alot of ability on the ball and intelligence. IMO he is one of the best technical dribblers in Europe at the moment.
 
For those who doubt Sancho because he plays in the Bundelisga with lots of spaces to run into and operate and is an inferior league to the Prem, do you want Haaland if he wants United next season? I mean we can't have double standards here
 
For those who doubt Sancho because he plays in the Bundelisga with lots of spaces to run into and operate and is an inferior league to the Prem, do you want Haaland if he wants United next season? I mean we can't have double standards here
That would depend on their specific attributes and how they hold in the Bundesliga/PL. Haaland for example is much more physiqal and has amazing runs of the ball.

I think they'd both succeed here, but wouldnt reach theit Dortmund numbers.
 
Todays Transfer Window podcast, Duncan Castles mentioned that Dortmund have shown an interest in DVB potentially in a deal for Sancho but the player hasn't been approached and Utd want to keep him.
 
He has had 20 caps but put some context too, he's only started 10 games. He also has registered 3 goals and 5 assists in that time.

It's a very small sample size to say he hasn't done it for England.

It's not just goals and assists though. He hasn't impressed me for England going past player either. He looks a totally different player in a Dortmund shirt which is why i question the quality of that league and the defending in particular.

If he signs I hope he proves me wrong. However I see him on a similar level to Rashford and Greenwood. A good player.
 
"Find the funding"

It's not supposed to be found though is it? either you have the purchasing power or you don't. Feck off Jan you stupid idiot.
 
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