Sorry mate, way off the mark here.
Jack Rodwell | Sold to City
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Sorry mate, way off the mark here.
Care to explain Mr Knowitall?
My apologies. It wasn't supposed to come across like that. It's only my opinion afterall. You are of course entitled to yours.With Henderson I never really understood the hype. I think Henderson will be a good solid player in time but I've never seen star quality about him. I might well be wrong about that, but that's football. I can't claim to be some sort of omniscient being regarding potential of young players given the amount I've got wrong.
Rodwell has always screamed a certain quality to me. I think, in the right side, he could be a huge presence. Long way to go of course but his general awareness and vision has always impressed me. Enough so that I think he could be destined for a 'top 4' side.
As I say I alot could happen, but to call him 'shite' is a bit much for me. It may be debatable as to whether he'll get a big move/fulfill the hype but shite he is not.
Rodwell has a certain quality about him. A good run of games will show what he has.
I think Rodwell is one of those chronically over rated players because he's English and has a smattering of talent and is at a club that isn't the big 4.
Young English talent is over-hyped at non top clubs because if they can hype them enough some sucker in the top 4 will pay over the odds for them.
I have never seen anything that has led me to believe he'll be a star or a player for a top club. I'll happily bet with anyone on this board that he won't be playing for a top club regualy in 5 years time.
Young English talent is over-hyped at non top clubs because if they can hype them enough some sucker in the top 4 will pay over the odds for them.
I have never seen anything that has led me to believe he'll be a star or a player for a top club. I'll happily bet with anyone on this board that he won't be playing for a top club regualy in 5 years time.
I think he's a smashing talent but has really stalled in the last year, year and a half. Injuries haven't helped. He needs games and plenty of them.
This will be Rodwell's breakout season if he stays fit, could well imagine him at United next year.
His stock over the last year has had the trajectory of a penny dropped from the empire state building.
I`ve my informations........he will be a Manchester United player this season
The deal isn't fully completed yet because one player could go in the other direction or Welbeck goes on-loan to Everton BUT Rodwell will join Manchester United.
I forgot about this
That's why people are dicks, wannabe ITKs.
Anywho I said a year ago Rodwell was a crock who isn't good enough, I seem perfectly vindicated the longer it goes on.
dunno if this has been posted.
Don't know why we didn't go for him with Hargreaves leaving. Yes he had a poor season with some injuries along the way. But i think we could help him step up and produce the talent he's shown he potentially has.
Maybe we don't rate him?
Fergie knows best.
In terms of the position he plays he's not really any different to Jones, who is clearly a better young talent, so I'm not really bothered.
Though I guess he veers more towards the middle of the field than Jones has so far.
Though I guess he veers more towards the middle of the field than Jones has so far.
To be honest with his form over the last year I wouldn't seem him getting many games at Utd right now.
My thinking on the situation is that he needs a good year at Everton to continue his development if he came to Utd and wasn't getting games I'd say he'd go backwards very quickly.
If he has a good year I could see us going for him next summer, if it means we have to pay 5million more I dont think its something that will bother Fergie considering his age.
If you think that its as simple as labelleing a player as a talent then you're mad.
Clubs will watch players over seasons in the reserves and youth team and will be well aware. Hence why United shelled out £10 million on Smalling despite him having had only 10 or so first team appearences under his belt.
Rodwell has struggled with injuries but before that looked a talent. Dynamic in midfield and composed in defence when he had to play there despite being young and inexperienced.
He needs a good season under his belt, and if he gets it their could be a clamour for his signature come next summer.
We did in January.
Indeed they are similar. Jones is more of a defender though and Rodwell seems to have adjusted to a midfield position but I remeber them both being virtually the same player when they started out, centre halves capable of playing in midfield.
If you think that no clubs will try and whip up some press coverage and hype to get a good price for a player then you're mad.
The amount of dross that gets sold as English Talent is ludicrous.
£15-20m Rodwell
15m Jagielka
22m Lescott
35m Carrol
12m Alex Oxocube
20m Downing
20m Henderson
7m Jenas
15-20m Cahill (1 year left on his contract)
25m Milner
16m Barry
You don't think any of them were overhyped by the media and that the clubs had absolutely nothing to do with it?
Conveniently no Man Utd purchases of recent times -_-
Though obviously not as bad in terms of value as some of those.
Though obviously not as bad in terms of value as some of those.
18m for Young is hardly a bargain, he had a year on his contract.
Would be a good time to buy low on Rodwell, but 15m is still too steep. Around 10m or just under would be worth a punt - but Moyes/Kenwright would get slaughtered for selling him at that price, albeit that's probably what he's worth these days.
He went for 16m but still got your point.
If this season is as bad as last season, then 10m is the price they can sell him for. Their asking price will drop eventually.
I didn't say that though did I.
The point I'm making is that no club will go out and sign a player based on whatever "hype" a club may "whip up". Clearly they take a look at a player over a period of time and with young lads in this country probably from a young age.
Indeed in this instance plenty of people had plenty to say about Rodwell in the mainstream football media desite having no intereste whatsoever in inflating his price.
Some of the players you refer to are established players (most people being well aware of what they are capable of) who have transferred to clubs who were desperate to sign them from clubs who had strong bargaining positions. Some of them haven't even transferred and the others are young lads.
Talking about Chamberlin raises a good point - Arsenal paid £10 million whereas United paid £7 million for Bebe, hardly a world of difference so its just as easy to suggest that all young players worldwide come at a premium.
English talent may be overpriced - clearly buying british can have its benefits and some clubs may deem the premium worth it, but to me thats a different argument.
Who did?
Interest from other clubs drove his price up though...
Not if he only had eyes for United. Doesn't really matter though. We could have played dirty, let it drag and pay a few millions less, but I'm happy with the way it was done.
Well of course, its England, the English league so of course our talent will get hyped up, just as Italians, Spanish, French etc do in their countries. No end of duds come over here because of that.
So happy we never went in for him...and with Pogba progressing well, hopefully we never will.
Didn't a Glazer spokesman say it was much less than the reported 16million?
I think that after spending 18m on that crock who currently 'plays' with Shitty, SAF is thinking twice from signing players with a tendency of getting injury quite often. Rodwell may still end up at United but he must first prove that he can remain fit for the entire season.
Its a bargain. We got Aston Villa's best player who is at the prime of his career, an EPL proven player AND who can play easily in 2-3 positions. If we had to sell him now (just few months after signing him) we'll get at least 25m. That's a 7m profit.
Big clubs need local talent (they adapt better to the local league, the UEFA rules and they are less likely to feck up to play for a foreign team) and the EPL big clubs are loaded with money. The Italians do not hype their kids as much as the English do but buying a really promising italian player back in the 80s-90s was costly.
It's amazing that a player this young is already being written off.
Aye' Chief... It's the caf.
Back to Rodwell, like most comments, the only issues that the lad has our fitness ( just like Ando ) He had a bad injury, he must prove now that he's matured and can perform effectively while also being consistent...
He has the potential and skill to play for a top 4 side...
Maybe even as CB.. who knows ? I'd play him ahead of Djourou for example.
Back to Rodwell, like most comments, the only issues that the lad has our fitness ( just like Ando ) He had a bad injury, he must prove now that he's matured and can perform effectively while also being consistent...
He has the potential and skill to play for a top 4 side...
Maybe even as CB.. who knows ? I'd play him ahead of Djourou for example.
Thats not what a lot of people on here were saying at the time
At £16 million it was a great deal - because he looks like he's ready to really step up to the next level based on current performances.
Will be a key player for us for definate.
Indeed - a good season under his belt and everyone will be raving about him again though.
If Fergie has a long standing interest in the player no doubt they'll be keeping a close eye on him, along with a lot of other clubs.
I have to say, having seen him play a fair few times the season before last he looked very composed and confident for a young lad, (often, but not always) the sign of a top player in the making. When fit he also looks a tremendous athlete.
If he can stay fit and get a good season under his belt I'd be excited if United went on for him - think he may have the potential to develop in a good side.
he'l cost around the 15mil mark. and plays in a position where we have our own talented youngsters in ando and cleverley + the established players like carrick and fletch. add to that the likes of pogba coming through.
i dont see why we should go for him now unless he really establishes himself at everton this season and has a stormer tbh. also, he's far too prone to injuries for my liking
i dont see why we should go for him now unless he really establishes himself at everton this season and has a stormer tbh. also, he's far too prone to injuries for my liking