quite like this. brave though. little experience and maybe lacking composure
Jack Rodwell | Sold to City
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quite like this. brave though. little experience and maybe lacking composure
Yup I agree, think we may get 3 of those 4 - not sure we'll get the 'someone like Modric' but hope we do. Young and Rodwell would be good signings though.
Whilst I agree that both Morrison and Pogba are promising, neither of them have played first team football yet and I remember getting all excited about a young David Jones. Rodwell has made 61 appearances for Everton's first team and has put in some excellent performances, one of them against us, he's also has 14 caps for the U21's.
So the point would be, buying a 20 year old who is full of promise and who has PROVEN that he can play in the top division and against top teams.
Still a gamble of course, but so was Pato when AC spunked all that money on him, Nani too, and Fergie loves to gamble with youth.
I'd prefer a Schweinsteiger, Sneijder or Modric of course but if Fergie was to buy one of these types of players then I'd be delighted if he also brought in Rodwell... over the moon in fact.
We're in for an interesting summer, but I'm not so sure why people think we'll be in for Young and Rodwell, two important things - the English Tax and the United tax - combine the two and we won't be getting decent deals at all, Anything over 20 million for Rodwell is a giant gamble, likewise for Young. If you said we could get both for 25 million - I'd say, yeah, ok that's not bad. But that won't happen.
Plus, neither are really marquee signings - I know we've never really done 'big' but I'm fairly sure if the Glazers are going to open their wallets (of which we cannot be sure yet) they'll want a return on their investment, Rodwell and Young won't sell shirts like a Sanchez, or a Pastore.
Of course this is merely conjecture and probably more realistically highlights my insatiable need to fulfill my inner muppet, but it's also down to this United side needing some real quality and talented additions - especially in the midfield. Rodwell has bags of potential, but that's all it is - our midfield already has potential what it needs is solidifying with some real quality and talent. Especially in the creative aspect, why can't Anderson already fulfill the role of Rodwell?
Infact it would be fair to say we've seen Anderson play that 'Rodwell' role before and already has experience at the highest level, so it doesn't make much sense to me.
Plus, neither are really marquee signings - I know we've never really done 'big' but I'm fairly sure if the Glazers are going to open their wallets (of which we cannot be sure yet) they'll want a return on their investment, Rodwell and Young won't sell shirts like a Sanchez, or a Pastore.
Of course this is merely conjecture and probably more realistically highlights my insatiable need to fulfill my inner muppet, but it's also down to this United side needing some real quality and talented additions - especially in the midfield. Rodwell has bags of potential, but that's all it is - our midfield already has potential what it needs is solidifying with some real quality and talent. Especially in the creative aspect, why can't Anderson already fulfill the role of Rodwell?
Infact it would be fair to say we've seen Anderson play that 'Rodwell' role before and already has experience at the highest level, so it doesn't make much sense to me.
Ashley Young will go for around 10-13m, United or not.
Looks like a good team.
However they guys in bold would need to grow up real fast.. However they can be a formula to success if they do.
Rodwell would have proved a shrewd signing if Hargreaves was fit and Scholes was 31 yrs old. The boy would become a star by the time Scholes retire making any transition period as smooth as ever. Unfortunately our CM is in a mess. We need men and not boys to do the job.
Correct, which is why I would hope such a signing depends on a good transfer budget, allowing us to bring in another, more established, CM. Nothing wrong with signing Rodwell,. but if he's the only one, we'd be doing an Arsenal.
I'd be very happy if we bought him, would be good for the future as well. We would still need a creative midfielder though.
Thought his contract was up this summer. He'll go on a freebie!
It runs until 2012.
You can't compare like that. It was a different era. Only three subs were allowed. United had a few more players already acclimated into the first team while Beckham was 17-19 years of age. He also wasn't exactly the brightest prospect, Butt and Gillespie were. Rodwell has been Everton's top prospect for a few years now. United were in a title fight, Everton are not. Totally different circumstances.
Of course it was a different era - but people expect Rodwell to dominate against world-class teams at the age of 19 - whereas Beckham hadn't even made his United breakthrough in a much less competetive league.
Actually, Beckham debuted at age 17 in 1992. He didn't become a regular until age 19 though his path was blocked by the likes of Kanchelskis and Sharpe. He became a regular starter at age 20.
Playing Galatasaray at home hardly constitutes making a breakthrough - so did Simon Davies
But ok - let's put this one to rest - it's not a big thing anyway. I only wanted to make a point that it Rodwell is young Rodwell to possibly cover CB/DM, why not ?
The lad has it all, would be a good investment ( if we can keep him fit to fulfill his potential )
The lad has it all, would be a good investment ( if we can keep him fit to fulfill his potential )
I think his potential lies more than just a CB or a DM. He really has attributes to progress into a Steven Gerrard. Hopefully we can exploit that.
That's seems like a pretty big if at the moment. He's struggled with a nice little cocktail of injuries over the past 2 seasons. Hammy strains, a pulled groin and a dodgy ankle.
Nani is quality, Valencia has suffered a horrific injury and may never be the same - Park is not, and will never be a winger. Can't pass, cat shoot - good energy and a squad player who if we sign another player with a bit of energy and more technique will play less and less.
United need another decent winger and a couple of midfielders at least.
Playing Galatasaray at home hardly constitutes making a breakthrough - so did Simon Davies
Beckham's debut came against Brighton in the old CC Cup.
Don't compare Rodwell's situation to another player from 15 years ago in a different situation. It's illogical. Beckham would have made dozens of appearances at Everton in the mid 90s.
Fair enough though. I think Rodwell can become a class player.
Why the hell would you want two more world class wingers when that position needs no replacing. Sanchez can play through the middle but that is not his natural position. Our central midfield keeps getting run over this season and you want no replacement for that position?
Because we had 3 the last time we won the champions league. With a very good 4th named Park.
So now you want two more very very good wingers and Park and Giggs being the 5th and 6th respectively for next season?
A 38 year old Giggs won't be a winger next season. That I'm completely sure of. He will return to center midfield.
Please explain how Park would be 5th choice? For I certainly don't see any of Obertan, Cleverly and Bebe getting past him.
I was saying Park would be 5th choice if we get Bale and Sanchez.
I have never wanted us to sign Bale. I thought you were referring to us having Nani and Valencia too. I clearly misread your initial post. My bad. Sorry for the confusion.
We haven't
Anyway, could someone please remind me why we are so interested in Rodwell?
Whereas people like Willshite & Ramsey are mentioned all the time, I never hear anything much about Rodwell, except that SAF is mad keen on him.
Rodwell is an interesting prospect, but how on earth is Ashley Young good enough to play for United? He's barely good enough for Aston Villa half the time
We haven't
Anyway, could someone please remind me why we are so interested in Rodwell?
Whereas people like Willshite & Ramsey are mentioned all the time, I never hear anything much about Rodwell, except that SAF is mad keen on him.
Rodwell is really talented and versatile. The only problem he has now is that he is injured quite a lot. If he can somehow figure out a way to stay fit for a period of time, I think you will see how well he can actually play.
I don't know, maybe as a backup winger?
the same as why Bebe, Obertan, Gibson etc are...
Yeah he's not good enough for Villa yet has been captin for the majority of the season. and easly their top 3 players for the past 3 years.
Is he really that good? Doesn't look a technically gifted footballer from what I've seen which which is what we need IMO in midfield.
I can't see a shot in him yet though, but possibly...
I mean he has one hell of an engine for a 19 yr old, not to mention a good touch and light years of maturity in there from what I've seen.
We'll talk about the Gerrard evolution once he comes here though, if he stays at Everton, it'll be fine by me but he'll be a player that can solve a lot of problems in that Le'Arse side imo.
This. Although I might not have seen enough of him. Would like to hear from someone who watches him more regularily what his technical skills are like.
I reckon this guy can give us a presence and bite in midfield that we have been lacking all season. He looks genuinely talented and is a good passer of the ball. The fact that he's English will also be a bonus for Fergie. I also reckon he could potentially compliment Anderson well in midfield.
Technically very well-rounded and gifted but he's still a bit raw, and he's unlikely to be a creative force that people are looking for from our midfield.
Watching most of Rodwell's matches, he has the stamina and drive, but he isn't the best technically, I mean if your looking for through balls, long passing etc... Rodwell hasn't got that in his bag as of yet... He still looks wonderful playing in as the DM as he keeps things tidy and has that extra youth + energy to run beyond the defenders to attack and get back.
My guess is has sufficient but not brilliant technical abilities but great physical attributes for his age?
Sounds a lot like the sort of attributes that got Fergie to pull out all stops in order to get a lad by the name of Roy Keane once.
If we were to get Rodwell, you'd think he'd be more of a Hargreaves 'replacement' then the attacking midfielder most are hoping for....and with both Fletcher and Carrick tied down to new contracs our midfield would something like this...
Carrick
Fletcher
Anderson
Rodwell
Scholes? (New contract?)
Gibson? (Sold?)
If Scholes was to retire then I'd imagine we'll almost certainly sign another midfielder alongside Rodwell (if he signs), but if he does stay on for another seaosn I'd imagine we'd stick to what we have and just sign Rodwell this summer. Then review the situtation next Summer, dependent on how much Anderson has progressed.
Carrick
Fletcher
Anderson
Rodwell
Scholes? (New contract?)
Gibson? (Sold?)
If Scholes was to retire then I'd imagine we'll almost certainly sign another midfielder alongside Rodwell (if he signs), but if he does stay on for another seaosn I'd imagine we'd stick to what we have and just sign Rodwell this summer. Then review the situtation next Summer, dependent on how much Anderson has progressed.