Of course that'd be ideal for us, but Everton's point of view will be that Rodwell's value is only going to increase as the years roll on. He signed a long-term contract last season so I'd imagine they'll keep hold of him for another 2 years at least unless a ridiculous offer came in from City or Chelsea of about £30m.
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Of course that'd be ideal for us, but Everton's point of view will be that Rodwell's value is only going to increase as the years roll on. He signed a long-term contract last season so I'd imagine they'll keep hold of him for another 2 years at least unless a ridiculous offer came in from City or Chelsea of about £30m.
Rooney was a different story , like motd pundits would say : drive , desire , hunger. I havent seen it from Rodwell so far. Without these qualities it would be very dangerous to splash so much money for such a young player . You dont know really how he can develop. I dont want him here for more than 15m.
Rooneys case was different. I dont think Rodwell is/can be that good.
Rooneys case was different. I dont think Rodwell is/can be that good.
So, when are we signing this lad then? 
Much rather Rodwell than any Hamsik, Moutinho or any other random foreigner that United have been linked with.
We have outstanding midfielders/defenders so buying a young English one makes much more sense if we were to buy one, rather than an import that is unproven in the PL.
Every time I see Rodwell now on MOTD, Sky sports etc, he looks really good - surely could improve the team in the long run. Just a question of how much he would cost - not cheap me thinks!
We have outstanding midfielders/defenders so buying a young English one makes much more sense if we were to buy one, rather than an import that is unproven in the PL.
Every time I see Rodwell now on MOTD, Sky sports etc, he looks really good - surely could improve the team in the long run. Just a question of how much he would cost - not cheap me thinks!
I always thought Ramsey was British
I dont think we need another defensive midfielder or centre half. We are well stocked in both for now. Id rather a creative midfielder, like Benayoun(obviously not Benayoun but you get what I mean). We have 2 offensive-minded midfielders that are leaving soon in Giggs and Scholes. Theres no one to take up their position at the moment besides Anderson, and hes obviously not ready. Its obvious that English is the way to go seeing as the foreign limits will be implemented soon, but thats no reason to make an unsuitable signing.
And its hard to look bad on MOTD and Sky Sports highlights unless they want you to look bad, which is unlikely as theyre looking to big up English players.
That was my point.I always thought Ramsey was British
Rodwell is what Ramsey was but playing at a higher level. Naturally he should be far more expensive, since British player are always going for a premium fee. TBF a player like Rodwell can become anything. My money is on him becoming a stunning midfielder in the future. Kind of what Huddlestone should be if he fulfilled his talent with much more speed and grit.
That was my point.
Its an English player and Manchester United price hike. Way too much to pay if the reported fees are true. If hes got as much potential as you say then I'm all for signing him, but not for the price we could get a ready made top class AM
In an ideal world yes. But when one thinks of how much we signed Rooney for. If this lad continues on his current tangent, to get him we will have to pay similar incredible fees.
we wont be buying him for 30m. not even 25m. this good times have passed.
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I like Rodwell but the fees being quoted are ridiculous. It's far too much for someone who is totally unproven. He looks like he will become a good player, but it's not as if it's Wayne Rooney, and you knew that he would become world class. English teams, English players, Manchester United, inflated fees. It's always the same.
I'd offer 20M plus Tosic for him.
£56m + Berbatov + Evans
Good post, I completely agree with this bit and it's a reason for why I'm not as sure as some on here that we should sign him. Don't get me wrong, we should always be interested in young English talent and Rodwell looks like a very good player, but as yet I'm not sure what role we'd use him in and spending £20-30m on a very young player who plays in positions you're already well stocked doesn't seem right. A couple of the players that the other poster mentioned like Hamsik, Moutinho (add others like Gourcuff too) are the type of players who we are missing in the long-run and may be a different investment. It's not a black and white issue though and as those lame mortgage/loan adverts say..."it's hard trying to plan for the future".
Is there a chance of getting Wilshire instead?
Nobody's talking about £30m though, surely?
I dont think we need another defensive midfielder or centre half. We are well stocked in both for now. Id rather a creative midfielder, like Benayoun(obviously not Benayoun but you get what I mean). We have 2 offensive-minded midfielders that are leaving soon in Giggs and Scholes. Theres no one to take up their position at the moment besides Anderson, and hes obviously not ready. Its obvious that English is the way to go seeing as the foreign limits will be implemented soon, but thats no reason to make an unsuitable signing.
That goal he scored against us this season was pretty offensive!
That goal he scored against us this season was pretty offensive!
Because both the lower bids already got accepted?
No chance, and frankly, I'd rather have Rodwell then Wilshere. I have no doubt both will become good players, I just think Rodwell will get there quicker and will offer us a lot more versatility.
I always thought Ramsey was British
I dont think we need another defensive midfielder or centre half. We are well stocked in both for now. Id rather a creative midfielder, like Benayoun(obviously not Benayoun but you get what I mean). We have 2 offensive-minded midfielders that are leaving soon in Giggs and Scholes. Theres no one to take up their position at the moment besides Anderson, and hes obviously not ready. Its obvious that English is the way to go seeing as the foreign limits will be implemented soon, but thats no reason to make an unsuitable signing.
And its hard to look bad on MOTD and Sky Sports highlights unless they want you to look bad, which is unlikely as theyre looking to big up English players.
While I agree we need someone creative (and for me that player is David Silva), I don't think there is any problem in trying to get Rodwell now. I think Hargreaves won't be with United past his 2011 contract (I just don't see how we can gamble on resigning him given his very dodgy injuries). That leaves us with Carrick and Gibson as our defensive options and neither are real defensive midfielders. I can see Gibson being sold at some point, and Anderson as well (not because he lacks talent, but because he lacks focus and hasn't showed enough aptitude in the time he's been here).
I know it's early days, but having a player like Rodwell would set us in good stead for the next decade. He's got the potential to turn into a phenomenal player and who better then SAF to guide the young man and help him realize it. I can't see us buying him this year, but hopefully in a couple of years time he'll want to make the step up for himself.
I think for his development he should remain at Everton for another year or two atleast..
Hes the new improved potential world class version of Carrick.
I know he scored against us this season but besides that what exactly has Rodwell done to warrant the speculation and constant mooting whenever our midfield options are evaluated?
What is special about him?
What is special about him?
I've started paying attention to him, since all the hype generated about him on the cafe.
He's a good young player who seems to stand out from time to time in a decent at best side. He hasn't even got a senior national cap to his name, hasn't even been in the senior national squad once, yet apparently he's the new Ferdinand. How many "new <insert name>" have there been and yet failed? creativity is what we lack but he's also not a very creative player, so obviously the cafe thinks he's currently just what we lack. Oh and taking all this into consideration, everyone wants us to spunk £20 mill + on this kid.
SAF said he took a massive risk with Rooney and even questioned if he had done the right thing but by the time he was 18, Rooney was established on the international stage and was England's stand out player. Rodwell has proved nothing yet. Mind you I'm not all that surprised by how much hype he gets, because lets face it, if you're english and have a bit of talent, then our press goes nuts. I still remember us being linked with Stewart Downing
Really. Is this a number that someone on here plucked out of thin air? £30m is silly money for a player like Rodwell but I suppose Everton will ask for the earth just to deter any would-be buyers. Does anyone reckon that Rodwell will be anywhere near the England squad for SA?
Yes, it really is the type of fee being banded about and most on here would have us pay it for someone as unproven as him
No, he won't be in the England squad for SA, he really isn't close to being international quality yet.
Yes, it really is the type of fee being banded about and most on here would have us pay it for someone as unproven as him
No, he won't be in the England squad for SA, he really isn't close to being international quality yet.
That makes him a snip at £30m then.
but if we had bid more for ramsey than perhaps they would've only accepted our bid and rejected all others. he's 4 months older than rodwell and IMO more gifted and experienced. more of what we need in midfield.
We tend to cock things up from time to time like that. But never fear, we're going to overspend on James Milner because he's a good player and ENGLISH and then be outplayed by Barcelona again next season. We'll then obviously complain about the lack of quality in midfield and then start the search again.
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Well DF isn't exactly wrong tbf. English clubs do pay over the odds for English players but the true worldclass english players are simply not available, ie Gerrard, Ashely Cole, Terry and Lampard. If so, why not pay for foreign players instead? We have to look towards quality rather than nationality as a basis for transfers. Imagine, had we spend our funds on Konchelsky and Lescott, instead of Evra and Vidic.
Apples and oranges at the end there
Exactly.
The whole Rodwell to United thing has just become fashionable on the caf, he has nothing to warrant the wank-fest or the massively over-inflated fee.
Rodwell is not fit to shine Carrick's boots. Carrick has 3 premier league medals and 1 champions league medal and starts for one of the elite clubs of the world... whereas Rodwell has 1 goal against Manchester United.Regardless, both play very different roles.
We shouldn't really be comparing Rodwell to Carrick, or any other established mifielder, as the lad is still just that - a lad.
I do think he would be a good signing, I really do, however is it the player we need to buy right now? He will cost a lot of money - Everton will stretch us for every penny.
If we do buy him then it will make it quite clear that SAF is happy with his current midfield and is investing in the future. It's going to be an interesting summer.
I do think he would be a good signing, I really do, however is it the player we need to buy right now? He will cost a lot of money - Everton will stretch us for every penny.
If we do buy him then it will make it quite clear that SAF is happy with his current midfield and is investing in the future. It's going to be an interesting summer.
To be honest how different is Rodwell to the likes of Jermaine Jenas who might I point out is usually the butt of jokes on the Caf. Lately we have been spending money around a lot actually especially in midfield without any real noticeable marginal increases in quality in that area. We have acquired Owen Hargreaves for 17 milion pounds only for him to play 25 games since July 2007, Zoran Tosic for 7 odd mil only for him to feature twice for the first team in his entire career to date, Anderson for approximately 18 mil for him to blow hot and cold all the time, together that's over 40 mil for a bunch of fringe players whose contribution can be somewhat questionable.
It gets even better with the likes of Biram Diouf who has yet to even make an impression that he warrants a place in the side ahead of the likes of Macheda and Welbeck. In Diouf's case I personally just can't see him being anything other than an another Manucho save for that he did cost a lot more than two goats.
So what does this boil down to? A non comprehensive scouting network? Pressure signings due to alleged competitors being in the fray? Financial difficulties? A shift in transfer strategy? I don't know. But what I know is that we keep signing players that one can argue that don't add any noticeable quality to the squad.
Now back to Rodwell's case, could this be an agent fuelling speculation in hope that something happens and we fans just jumping on the wagon without hesitation?
If we want to be poaching academy players why not look closer to home?, City seem to be doing quite well in that particular aspect. I don't know what they have done to their youth approach but we ought to take their achievements seriously. To be honest of all the times I have seen Rodwell play which is a few, he simply hasn't looked even a notch better than Lee Cattermole, who might I add has bags more of experience, is young, English and we haven't been linked with.
It gets even better with the likes of Biram Diouf who has yet to even make an impression that he warrants a place in the side ahead of the likes of Macheda and Welbeck. In Diouf's case I personally just can't see him being anything other than an another Manucho save for that he did cost a lot more than two goats.
So what does this boil down to? A non comprehensive scouting network? Pressure signings due to alleged competitors being in the fray? Financial difficulties? A shift in transfer strategy? I don't know. But what I know is that we keep signing players that one can argue that don't add any noticeable quality to the squad.
Now back to Rodwell's case, could this be an agent fuelling speculation in hope that something happens and we fans just jumping on the wagon without hesitation?
If we want to be poaching academy players why not look closer to home?, City seem to be doing quite well in that particular aspect. I don't know what they have done to their youth approach but we ought to take their achievements seriously. To be honest of all the times I have seen Rodwell play which is a few, he simply hasn't looked even a notch better than Lee Cattermole, who might I add has bags more of experience, is young, English and we haven't been linked with.
Watch him play. He is way ahead of the player like Reo Coeker and Jenas. He is set to be a future star.
This I disagree. Besides scoring against us, Rodwell has barely done anything of great note. Reo Cork in his time at West Ham used to captain the side and was outstanding in 06/07 with some memorable performances against us, Liverpool and Arsenal, so whatever hype there may have been about him it was to an extent backed up by tangible evidence of what he had done.
Similarly Jenas displayed ernomous potential at Forest in late 2001 prior to signing for the Barcodes in the following winter transfer window. Need I add Jenas was also voted the PFA's Young Player of The Year in his first full season with the Barcodes, so definitely the potential was there and was quite rightly recognised at the time.
Sadly the same can't be said about Rodwell. It is one thing looking like the dogs bollocks for youth and reserve teams as it is for when playing with the first team.
He could become this years young player of the season. Who else has shone this season apart from him ? *excluding Fabregas*