Jack Grenglish

POF said:
This is where we differ completely. I do not believe that you are a product of where you live but of your family. Denying someone the right to represent the nation they feel most connected to (for personal or family reasons) is not a price worth paying to stop "abuse".

As for your second point, in the cases you describe, it is likely the individual in question would have passports for both nations. Tony Cascarino had an Irish passport.
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He actually didn't - because he was refused one. He went on to continue to play for Ireland for years after. It's all in his book.

He's an example of a player who played for Ireland because he didn't think he'd get picked for England. Did he have a burning desire to play for Ireland? Only he knows that but I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't. It was a chance to play international football and he took it - fair play to him. It's a joke though because he isn't Irish.

As I said, it's complex and in my opinion too complex. I can see that your opinion and argument has merit. If you apply it to genuine cases of young lads with a burning desire to play for the country their grandfather was from it looks much fairer to let them have a choice.

For the most part though players seem to make a decision based on career prospects. You then get Diego Costa - a Brazilian international, playing for Spain. Possibly because he thought he'd have more chance of starting.
 
POF said:
Not straightforward at all. Grealish's dad would be entitled to an Irish passport. If he was an Irish citizen (I have no idea if he is or isn't) would Jack then qualify as he then has a "parental link to Ireland"?
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If I'm correct I believe Jack's dad, Kevin, is automatically an Irish citizen due to both of his parents being born in Ireland. Jack is then eligible to apply for Irish citizenship because his grandparents were born in Ireland.
 
Yeah this thread got old ages ago...It's up to the boy to do whatever he feels is best for his career.....at the end of the day it will come down to which nation he feels he can have a better career with and it will have very little to do with whether he feels more English or Irish. Obviously he feels more English but is proud of his roots but playing International football exposes your brand a lot more so the boy has to choose which nation will help him push his brand more down the road. FIFA rules are there to make International football more competitive as otherwise smaller nations would not survive without Granny rules and Grealish is perfectly in his right to choose either nation and I wish him all the best with whatever decision he makes. Countries like the USA, Switzerland, New Zealand, Australia, Ireland, Portugal, African teams all use a lot of foreign born players in their squads and they would not be competitive otherwise .....15 of the 23 man squad of the Algerian national team in the last WC were foreign born and raised so for some the Granny rule is a pain and for other nations it's a blessing. One day a top foreign born and raised player will play for England and the English will be delighted to have him.
 
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Enjoying some R&R time in Tenerife

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I saw that doing the rounds on Twitter haha. Hopefully nothing is made of it, as he's a young lad allowed to have a good time.

On the nationality note, I think he's probably waiting to see if he has any prospects with England or not, if not then he'll play for Ireland. Career options.
 
Bwuk said:
I saw that doing the rounds on Twitter haha. Hopefully nothing is made of it, as he's a young lad allowed to have a good time.

On the nationality note, I think he's probably waiting to see if he has any prospects with England or not, if not then he'll play for Ireland. Career options.
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I think the above photo makes it pretty clear he's Irish!
 




:lol: The crazy thing is he played in the FA cup final a few weeks ago, now he's in Tenerife like any other normal teenager. feck.
 
Good lad. Had a great breakthrough season, and he's allowed to have a good time.

LennonNL said:
he played in the FA cup final a few weeks ago, now he's in Tenerife like any other normal teenager.
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Yeah, played in an FA Cup final, helped his team avoid relegation from the top flight of English football, has two countries fighting over his international status and then goes and gets pissed in Tenerife. :lol:
 
Joemo said:
Good lad. Had a great breakthrough season, and he's allowed to have a good time.


Yeah, played in an FA Cup final, helped his team avoid relegation from the top flight of English football, has two countries fighting over his international status and then goes and gets pissed in Tenerife. :lol:
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It's brilliant. Must be on about 10k a week at the moment, too. Not fecking fair!
 
feck me, if I was earning his wages I'd get pissed most nights.
 
He should play for Ireland alright, he can go on the lash with Delaney and day he wants
 
He's done what most British teenagers do his age. Yes, he should have been more responsible in terms of not getting pictured in that state but that's a lesson for him about who he can and can't trust with his mates. Slap on the wrist - small fine if Tim is laying the law down. Then move on.

Not a big deal in any way here. It's being reported as if he's 1 step from Gazza. He's not in terms of alcohol or remotely close in terms of football talent either.
 
For a start, nobody knows the context of the photo. Could have just been dicking about after a few bevvies.

Secondly, who gives a feck? Young lad enjoying his holidays. Rooney and the likes have done much worse and are national darlings. Let them do what they want as long as they don't cause trouble and are ready to go come the new season. A couple of weeks on the piss won't do any harm.
 
Rado_N said:
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/jun/15/jack-grealish-aston-villa-pictures-tenerife

Villa want to discuss it with him apparently.

feck sake, young lad gets pissed on holiday, who gives a shit?
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Of course they will talk to him about it. Not going to look very good on the club if their players are getting so pissed out on holiday that they are passed out on the street. Probably release a statement saying he's been reminded of his responsibilities blah blah blah. Not really a big deal, at worst they'll just give him a slap on the wrist.
 
I would say he's made for the English national team now, looking at that. :lol:


Mind you our lads were out on the piss in the local last Monday, and they proceeded to play shite on Saturday.
 
FC Ronaldo said:
He's done what most British teenagers do his age. Yes, he should have been more responsible in terms of not getting pictured in that state but that's a lesson for him about who he can and can't trust with his mates. Slap on the wrist - small fine if Tim is laying the law down. Then move on.
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How are you going to shop people taking sly pictures of you? You agree to that when you enter a profession where you're going to become a celebrity. I'd say the reason there isn't more pictures is because people don't recognize him, imagine if it was Ronaldo who was pissed? There'd be thousands of pictures and he probably would've been raped when passed out on the road :lol:

Overall I don't see the problem, when I was his age and in Portugal on a lads holiday I would've been sacked in the morning if any of those pictures surfaced :lol:
 
Ronaldo doesn't drink. But that's a different story. I agree with your point, was just trying to convey that he should have been more aware of the consequences. That's the only thing he can really be accountable for here. The England captain got knocked out a few months ago mid-season boxing at home. Which one is worse?
 
I doubt Aston Villa will really have a go at him, they'll probably say you can't be doing stuff like that as we're in the public eye. Slap on the wrist job. They'll understand he's young, but have to maintain a stern image from the outside.
 
I agree it's not a big deal and he's just doing what normal 19 year olds do.
However, he's not a normal 19 year old. Normal 19 year olds don't earn £25-30k a week so, rightly or wrongly, he has to deal with attention that comes with that and added scrutiny attached to his job that means he is not a normal 19 year-old.

Villa should just give him a ticking off and a reminder, if he needs one.
 
Lash said:
I doubt Aston Villa will really have a go at him, they'll probably say you can't be doing stuff like that as we're in the public eye. Slap on the wrist job. They'll understand he's young, but have to maintain a stern image from the outside.
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Sherwood in public: "He needs to be more responsible, we can't have our players acting like this, I'll have a word..."

Sherwood in private: "So, the main thing is, I hope you got your end away before being out for the count...."
 
AKDevil said:
I agree it's not a big deal and he's just doing what normal 19 year olds do.
However, he's not a normal 19 year old. Normal 19 year olds don't earn £25-30k a week so, rightly or wrongly, he has to deal with attention that comes with that and added scrutiny attached to his job that means he is not a normal 19 year-old.

Villa should just give him a ticking off and a reminder, if he needs one.
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Spot on. He's 19 years old for gods sake. Most 19 year olds are doing exactly the same thing. I know I was at his age.

Its media bollocks because "19 year old gets drunk on holiday" shouldn't be news at all.
 
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