26. 4 of them were in the tunnel and 5 in the prematch warmup
Jack Grealish | Man City
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Dafaq? Rooney never reached his potential? He is one of if not the most underrated footballer of modern times. The things he could do on a football pitch and the things he accomplished were both magnificent.
Yeah, but looking back at teenage Rooney, don't you think he couldn't have been even better? In my 30 years watching football, he was the best teenager I've ever seen. Not even particularly close for me, although that's just my opinion and debatable.
I think Pep has a fair bit of work to do. I get this feeling with England as well but it seems that Grealish believes his own hype and thinks he can do everything on his own. He has all the raw materials but needs to learn how to fit in a modern team tactically.
What do you look at to say he could have been even better?
I'm not asking as a wind up but what was the context or reason for Grealish coming back earlier than Sancho? He's back now than a week before right?
Been there for less than a week but credit where it is due, it looks like he is learning very quickly
Honestly i understand what @Sleigh is saying.
as good as rooney was, and he was very good and agreed is very underrated, i still feel he didn't reach his potential. I remember when Ronaldo left and i told my Chelsea friends that as sad as that was it wasn't too bad because we had Rooney and Rooney will become even better than Ronaldo. Now i can assume that even Rooneys mum doesn't think that Rooney became as good as Ronaldo did.
And for me i thought that was where his potential was, best in the world. White Pele
I’m guessing Sancho has a few more days due to clearing his head after the final and the racist abuse?
Grealish wasn't even first choice for England. It's a strange comparison given the age too.
Don't think I can point the finger at specific parts of his game, but pretty much this:
Grealish being a success at city is not about his ability it's about the relative strength of city's team and what Jack brings to the table to complement that. That's why I think it will take him a while to be a real influence unless he plays on the left. Midfield will be a struggle as I've said before it's sink or swim.
I don't want to sound ignorant as I'm sure the impact was big but the reason still seems odd. You can argue getting back into the groove of training would be equally beneficial
Absolute garbage
Good comeback and the laughing emoji just sums you up as someone with absolutely nothing to say
No, because as well as what I've already written, Rooney started every match for England in Euro 2004. Grealish started 1 match in Euro 2020. Also plenty of fans were wanting some of the other attacking players to start or feature more, not just Grealish.
Many England fans would have had Grealish as a starter at the Euros, me thinks.
Rooney was the symbol of hope for the England fans at the euros 2004. During this summer Euros many England fans were craving for Grealish. He was the most talked about among England fans. He was "the wonder boy". "Wonder boy" as in a saying - and not as an age decider. Would you say that's a fair statement?
What did Rooney do in 04 though? Compared to Grealish..
Pep has his work cut out with a fair few of his team tbh. If that’s an early indication then some look like they’ve hit a peak and don’t want to put themselves out
Don't insult the great Valderamma like that, he has no comparisons
Who started and not started was the choice of the manager and staff. Didn't represent the majority of fans.
True, but I'd say most fans wanted Grealish to start over the others.
Saka’s back at Arsenal and expected to be involved vs Spurs tomorrow.
Maybe but Southgate saw everything in training and decided that he wasn’t an instant starter. Why? We can speculate but I sense the answers lie in many of the posts we’ve been reading tonight. He’s a wonder boy based on a lot of media hype but the stats have just flattered to deceive IMO.
Grealish got cheers because he came on when England needed a goal. That’s not Rooney being a force of nature that had to start every game. Rooney really was a movement, Jack got praised by telling us he could win a lot of free kicks when he comes on.
It’s completely different emotions.
As a stand alone player he, Rooney, achieved more.
But that's not the point. I'm comparing fans feelings - not player against player.
United fans -04 vs. City fans -21.
Yeah but he didn’t fly back to finalise a transfer then head off?
I do agree it’s a bit over the top.
Also, why the feck is there a NL derby 1 week before the start of the season?!
Arsenal played Chelsea last week too! Always weird how different the pre-season prep is for the various clubs. We’ve definitely played less games than most. I don’t know why.
I mean it's very clear what he's saying, he breaks down how Chelsea play pretty accurately, but the way he says it, especially the first part about the back 3 and two in the middle cracks me up every time
Unsure - if I remember correctly though, he may have started his holiday later due to finalising his contract situation after the Euros. Also, settling back in a 'new' country may have given Sancho a few extra days, who knows how they determine these things these days.
Got to have some practice for lower league sides mate. I mean who else can they get match practice against? All the Championship and FL sides are now playing
Yeah. As fans we can only see what's happening on the field in a match. Plus stats - that many fans like to bring up.
At first I didn't really get the hype of Grealish, but he do bring some fear in the opponents. He's hard to play against. Mainly because he gets himself fouled a lot and wins many freekicks.
Overhyped or not - this season will be interesting to follow and see how it turns out.
Do you think you're the voice of all England fans or something? It's fair to say that many people wanted to see a more attack-minded side, and Grealish would have been part of that, alongside Sancho, Rashford, Foden and Bellingham, as opposed to the likes of Jordan Henderson.
He might get 10/20mn but wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't play at all tomorrow.I don't think he will start the season either.
Losing the final, the racist abuse and the drawn out transfer saga is a lot to deal with for Sancho. Better take 1 or 2 weeks off than trying to comeback too fast.
This is exactly my opinion. One of England’s greatest ever players.
However when you looked at him as an 19 year old, you’d say he could have been one of the best ever.
If you are comparing any footballer to Ronaldo or Messi they are going to fall short. And in case you forget two seasons after Ronaldo left Rooney was massive for us. He led the line well and we wouldn’t have won what we won after Ronaldo left if it wasn’t for Rooney.
How many top footballers do you think would selflessly sacrifice their ego to play second fiddle to another player? How many top footballers would stop playing in their original position and play elsewhere just cause it could be beneficial to their team.
The records he has at this club in terms of goals contributions won’t be beat anytime soon. He was a generational talent. Just cause he didn’t reach the potential of Ronaldo doesn’t mean he did reach his potential.
Why have I just entered the Rooney-potential thread? 
I presumed it was more likely down to covid complications with Sancho moving to the Manchester from Germany, whereas Grealish is moving from Birmingham.
I'd have to agree with these comments. It felt like Rooney when he joined us had the touch, skill, awareness, and energy to play in any forward position. 2 goals he scored against Boro in the cup early in his career are still make me hope he had more drive.