If that's how you want to spin it. We are fighting hard for him and I think Mou knows exactly what he wants on the left hand side. Whatever though.
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If that's how you want to spin it. We are fighting hard for him and I think Mou knows exactly what he wants on the left hand side. Whatever though.
Based on his career, his stats, what I've seen of him myself for Croatia, and what seems to be the majority consensus here on the Caf, that's the only way to spin it.
So despite the fact that Mourinho, the guy who bought Sarah and Cuadrado and Schürrle other duds (under Mourinho, anyways), clearly wants him, the overwhelming number of underwhelming signs regarding his quality takes precedence for me. Would love your blind faith, but whatever though.
Playing well in the Serie A isn't the same as playing well in the PL, and even then he wasn't as good as other wide players in the league like Insigne, Balde Keita, Salah and callejon among others. We have Mata, Martial and Mkhi as wide options who are all better players and I don't see him taking the step up required for a player as average as him.
Our wingers output has been abysmal for the last few years (bar Martial's one great season) yet you completely scoff at the idea of getting a very competent and highly regarded winger who possesses all the attributes we lack. There's a reason why Inter are desperate to get hold of him and everyone who watches Serie A rates him a lot.
Remember how good Ashley Young was in Di Maria's season, he literally benched him because his performances were that good. You really underrate how effective a winger who can get do the simple things extremely well can be.
Also think Nani in his prime (2009ish) and that's what we could have again. Yes he wasn't the most consistent but was he damn good anyway? Yes he was. He was pivotal to our season where he got 10 goals and 15 assists in all comps.
You don't need to be Alexis Sanchez to be an extremely effective and pivotal cog in a successful team
They wasn't signed to be first choices. It is not blind faith. He is one of Croatia's best players.
He is better than Mata, Mik and Martial as a LW.
As much as I like Perisic, I'd certainly try big for Sanchez before him if he's available.
Yeah that is why I am against this signing he is not an improvement on what we have.
I have a feeling Persic is not being bought to be first choice.
He is definitely good with his national team, like Podolski or Moussa sissoko have been for Germany and France.
Edit: Until proven the opposite, he is Croatia's version of Grosicki.
I'd rather play Martial and Mkhi or even Young on the left than get a player who wasn't even a top performer last season. He's better than Lingard though, Ill give him that.
Surely, that can't be a good enough reason, can it? Modric and Rakitic have been picked up by the best clubs in recent years. Perisic would have remained unknown took the end of his career had it not been for this summer window
He is most likely their 4th best player behind Modric, Rakitic and Manduzic. Also they arent a very talented team. He isnt even their best player so dont really get your point about his international status. If you're the 4th best player for a country like France, then its impressive given the plethora of talent they have but not for Croatia.
Eh, Mkhitaryan got over 20 goals and 20 assists playing as a winger for Dortmund the season before we signed him
EDIT: Official numbers for Mkhi in 2015/16, 23 goals and 32 assists in 52 appearances
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Also when has Mata ever played on the LW? I dont seem to remember Mkhi playing there either. Perisic played in a worse league than Martial, played more minutes than Martial yet only managed 2 more goals and assists stats wise.
Musn't have been paying attention to line ups, he played there a lot last season, including in the Europa League final!
Well those are the players the guy quoted me with. He is a better LW than Martial regardless. At least he is a proper one.
I will respond to the rest when I have time. It's late and I am currently on holiday, I've been quoted 7 times! What I will say is that it's Perisic's playstyle that makes me most confident about him being a good fit for United. It's not as simple as comparing him to Mik who played in a different style and system at Dortmund. I also have limited posts in this forum so bear with me.
If we kept the 3-5-2, no sense in getting rid of Martial not even to get Perišić, since they wouldn't even play the same position.
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If we get rid of Martial for this guy, I'll be upset.
Who ever accepts Martial to be moved out from the club in any way,should be sacked on the spot.
You wouldn't swap him for Sanchez?
Nope,i would buy Sanchez but thats about it.
No, I'd buy Sanchez and have both of them
This potential signing makes a lot more sense if we're playing a 352 as we did in the first pre season game. With one up top, and him as one of the main three attackers, I'm not as sure.
Either way the rumoured fee seems absurd but if we play two uptop at least martial and Rashford will get plenty of game time right up top, with Perisic doing a lot of the running work on the left.
Either way the rumoured fee seems absurd but if we play two uptop at least martial and Rashford will get plenty of game time right up top, with Perisic doing a lot of the running work on the left.
Jose said this is not our main system. so we will see lot of changes this season. 3-5-2 suits us more, shame we won't play it for majority of the time.
Sanchez and Martial are the same type of player. Perisic is a supportive wing player that can play either the left or the right side, can cross better than both Sanchez and Martial, and is definitely a better defender than Martial.
The Reds need a supportive wing with a player like Lukaku up top.
You played a 352(actually more of a 3412) all of last season when you had the ball. This isn't the 50s, nobody plays with a fixed formation anymore
Because he is not a player for CL-level club. Current Inter, 7-th team in Serie A.
The difference of course is that MU won things with Vidic&Rio, while Chelsea faltered after Jose's transfers and he was fired a half a year after. Clearly not his brightest moment.
He is a decent and average player. He is "good" for WBA or Stoke. No top team, like Real, Barca, Munich or or english rival like City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool, even Spurs would not even entertain the idea of buying him. And spending 40m pounds of him is a sheer madness.
Well it's clear for me, that you don't really know who these players are. Because you've mentioned Willian and i know for a fact, cause i knew people from russian side of this deal, that Jose had like nothing to do with this transfer at all.
But the thing is, Jose transfer affair are hardly good. Sure you can cherry-pick his successful transfers, but his overall rate is hardly above 50%. And since he went to Chelsea, only once he actually went "up", from Inter to Real. All other times he was fired, almost every time because of his "managing" decisions including transfers.
So we're buying to play left wing back?
I'd prefer to use Shaw, Lingard and Young (when fit) there.
I'd prefer to use Shaw, Lingard and Young (when fit) there.
why would anyone want either of those 3 in your team ? , shaw has until Christmas to prove he is a utd player or get shipped out , my moneys on shipping
Shaquiri, who was a bust at inter, is a good player for Stoke or WBA. Perisic would have been everton's second best player last season, behind Lukaku
Liverpool just signed Salah, Spurs signed Sissoko, Barcelona signed Arda Turan, for fees not too far from what inter is asking for perisic
Well. Arda and sissoko are complete flops
Neither is lukaku who was playing for 7th team in PL.
Wrong. He won the league after selling KdB and the likes.
So? This is the Spurs who bought sissoko? As giorno said, shaqiri was good for stoke.
Afaik abramovic interfered to get him from spurs' clutches. I am not itk in the deal. But it definitely seems like mourinho wanted him. Especially after Rooney fell through.
Would be the same for every manager. Even SAF Pep everyone. Getting fired isn't something to be surprised at. Ancelotti was fired from Chelsea Real and possibly Bayern. Does that mean he isn't a good manager
After seeing the 3-5-2 setup last night, does anyone who's seen a lot of Perisic think he can play as an attacking wing-back? ala what early United Valencia would have offered there?
Just a random thought.
Just a random thought.
Yeah those three players have contributed barely anything to our attack for 2 years so why not.
If we're buying a specialist wing back, fair enough, but Perisic is not a specialist wing back.
If we're spending the rumoured money for him, then really we should be going for someone specialised in the wing back position, in my opinion.
Do not want, just don't think he is good enough for a side that wants to challenge on all fronts and before people tell me we still have the likes of Young, Lingard etc I know.. they aren't good enough either in I'd like to see them all leave but you need squad players as well and spending £50m on a squad player would be stupid business.
Mourinho supposedly gave Woodward three names for each position. If Perisic is the undisputed first choice, I would love to see who the 2nd and 3rd options are.
Perisic > Eden Hazard > Alexis Sanchez
If Perisic falls through, we might have the settle for one of the other two
I am convinced that you have not seen MUFC play football.
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