Ivan Perisic

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Not being funny but Perisic has been around for 10 years and has amounted to nothing special. Also if you haven't heard of some other players because you have less football knowledge than another poster then tough. No need to label them a hipster. Some people just follow different flavours of football to others.

No doubt some people blag, but I would not be surprised to find many players being mentioned as better options to Perisic.

To be fair, I struggle to put together a list of players that would be sold for less than 45m€ and are better than Perisic or worth 45m in the first place. I only have Baldé Keita since better players like Lemar, Carrasco, Insigne among others aren't available at that price.

And you will notice that these players don't look like alternatives from a functional standpoint.
 
It would actually be nice to get some Cnut who's actually capable of crossing the ball for a change. It gives us another option as supposed to seeing our wingers constantly dispossessed after tripping their way down the wing
 
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It would actually be nice to get some Cnut who's is actually capable of crossing the ball for a change. It gives us another option as supposed to seeing our wingers constantly dispossessed after tripping their way down the wing

Spot on. We haven't had a winger who can beat a man on the outside consistently and actually put a decent ball in for a good while.
 
We can have an opinion on a player without thinking that we are more knowledgeable than a football manager. I remember when the majority of posters thought that Rojo was shite, I was with Mourinho at the time does that makes me an experts? Obviously no, I was just lucky to agree with the manager.
 
Oh great all the self-righteous 'manager knows best' brigade are out now. Love this part where we pretend managers always get it right
 


I got a deja vu. I'm sure I heard that joke from Ducker before.
 
and that is what should be fixed.

How many of the top teams feature a traditional winger that is primarily expected to hug the line and cross the ball?

Didn't Valencia create more chances than any other full back in the Premier League last season? Don't think anyone should be criticising Valencia, it was our left backs who consistently failed to create anything.
 
Do really need a winger to whip in crosses? What year is this?
The year in which the team that puts in 1000 crosses per game won the double :D

But i get your point, and i agree. But Mourinho seems to want to keep at least a 3 man defence all the time
 
But that is every manger including Moyes, Hodgson, etc

Forget that, even the best managers of all time make terrible signings. How many awful signings did Ferguson make? Djemba Djemba, Bebe, even transfers that weren't quite awful like Anderson and Veron fell way below what people were expecting. Jose has had plenty over the years too like Cuadrado, Coentrao, Sahin, Wright Phillips, etc.
 
But that is every manger including Moyes, Hodgson, etc

Yes, it is. These are qualified people who have years of experience.

Doesn't mean people can't disagree with going for a player

No, it doesn't mean that. You can disagree if you like. It is worth bearing in mind, though, that Premier League managers like Jose Mourinho are unbelievably meticulous. And in his case, unbelievably successful. It's not luck that he has his track record.
 
Doesn't mean people can't disagree with going for a player

I don't get why people are so extreme when it comes to this. You're either a 'never criticise the manager he knows best always' or 'this transfer is completely stupid and the manager doesn't know what he's doing'.

It's perfectly reasonable to be in both camps. Yes we may not be excited by the idea of Perisic, but we should definitely be aware of our own lack of tactical knowledge and knowledge of the managers plans.

The problem is people think the manager is clueless because they themselves can't comprehend why we would sign him, but don't acknowledge that they don't have great indepth and insight into tactics and thus could be unaware of potential good reasons why we would want him. Then the other camp go extreme in their reaction and just say the manager knows best always so we should never doubt him but don't acknowledge that managers can make mistakes.

These conversations happen all the time and just go in circles it's so silly.
 
Ok, the hell with it. Get him for 45, 4 years, roughly 10 mil per year. Not too bad. If he can help, fine, but Martial should start more.
 
I find it strange that he has to fly all the way back to Croatia just to get a dentist. I don't even care if it's a childhood dentist; if you're paid millions I'm sure you can find a good dentist wherever you are in the world. It's obviously not a tooth problem.

The truth of the tooth is the suit with the loot
 
I don't get why people are so extreme when it comes to this. You're either a 'never criticise the manager he knows best always' or 'this transfer is completely stupid and the manager doesn't know what he's doing'.

It's perfectly reasonable to be in both camps. Yes we may not be excited by the idea of Perisic, but we should definitely be aware of our own lack of tactical knowledge and knowledge of the managers plans.

The problem is people think the manager is clueless because they themselves can't comprehend why we would sign him, but don't acknowledge that they don't have great indepth and insight into tactics and thus could be unaware of potential good reasons why we would want him. Then the other camp go extreme in their reaction and just say the manager knows best always so we should never doubt him but don't acknowledge that managers can make mistakes.

These conversations happen all the time and just go in circles it's so silly.

I don't think many are accusing Jose of being clueless for going for Perisic. Most have agreed on the reasons why we'd want him. He'd be better than nothing for sure because we can't go into the season without another attacker. However, it is still fair to criticise when you see more talented players like Douglas Costa and James Rodriguez join other clubs. While Jose likely has his reasons for not wanting those players (most likely due to them not being as strong or effective at tracking back), ultimately we need an increase in goals and creativity based on last season. Perhaps it would be better to sacrifice a player's defensive contribution in order to get the best out of a player in terms of his creative output. After all that was one of the main reasons for the fall out between Jose and Ronaldo.

Would it really be better to go for Perisic than Sanchez because Perisic can be relied on to do a better job for the team defensively? I don't believe in this idea that all people who aren't managers should be dismissed as having no idea what they're talking about simply because they haven't applied for any coaching badges. Don't see what the point in even be able to comment is in that case. How much had LVG achieved in his managerial career? Far more than 90% of managers. Does that mean his transfer dealings were right for the club? I'd only say Herrera (who we were already trying to sign) and Martial actually improved the club and he also sold a lot of very talented players that weakened the squad. If you think Perisic is a good enough signing fine but there are legitimate reasons to be concerned with Perisic's relatively average output.
 
He did have a long career in Football.
As player, not from a standpoint of judging other players. Coach can talk to this player in a certain way, then the other in different way & both being asked to carry out similar job. The 2 players in example can't replicate managerial work since they only know 1 side of story while the coach through his cleverness use different methods to achieve same goal. 2 different jobs. That's no surprise some of the great players are wank when it comes to coaching.

If these so called experts are so good about coaching & management, or even scouting then they should be working as coaches or scout, not there doing the entertaining job. This is the key, these former player is expert of entertaining job as player & now pundit. They are not expert on assessing talents.

I am talking about those who are mainstay pundits, not every single former players.
 
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I don't think many are accusing Jose of being clueless for going for Perisic. Most have agreed on the reasons why we'd want him. He'd be better than nothing for sure because we can't go into the season without another attacker. However, it is still fair to criticise when you see more talented players like Douglas Costa and James Rodriguez join other clubs. While Jose likely has his reasons for not wanting those players (most likely due to them not being as strong or effective at tracking back), ultimately we need an increase in goals and creativity based on last season. Perhaps it would be better to sacrifice a player's defensive contribution in order to get the best out of a player in terms of his creative output. After all that was one of the main reasons for the fall out between Jose and Ronaldo.

Would it really be better to go for Perisic than Sanchez because Perisic can be relied on to do a better job for the team defensively? I don't believe in this idea that all people who aren't managers should be dismissed as having no idea what they're talking about simply because they haven't applied for any coaching badges. Don't see what the point in even be able to comment is in that case. How much had LVG achieved in his managerial career? Far more than 90% of managers. Does that mean his transfer dealings were right for the club? I'd only say Herrera (who we were already trying to sign) and Martial actually improved the club and he also sold a lot of very talented players that weakened the squad. If you think Perisic is a good enough signing fine but there are legitimate reasons to be concerned with Perisic's relatively average output.

Yes I agree with your second paragraph (except the point about Sanchez, I doubt he wants to come or that Arsenal would ever sell to us, but that's not the point of this post), people should be allowed to comment and managers don't always get it right. However this point

While Jose likely has his reasons for not wanting those players (most likely due to them not being as strong or effective at tracking back), ultimately we need an increase in goals and creativity based on last season

People heavily oversimplify this point. There's a lot in terms of tactics and systems that we don't have insight into. A lot of people think because Douglas Costa was an exciting attacking player under Pep that he'd be a great signing. But have any of us forensically analysed him, received a full scouting report and having a deep understanding of the system we will play and what types of players fit into that? We should appreciate that the manager is hugely more informed in those things and so there very likely are reasons (probably many of them) that we aren't seeing that could mean he would be a great signing.

I mean look how people scoffed at Mane last season when he signed for Liverpool, when we were linked with him people were distraught. Likewise when we got Di Maria and Memphis people were so excited but it didn't work out. People need to appreciate their own understanding of tactics and how players will fit in are not as great as they probably think
 
He did have a long career in Football.
He did. He also has the IQ of a gnat (sorry, Rob). He's there to be loud, flashy and say stupid shit. Appeals to the lowest common denominator. He's certainly not alone on that front, to be fair. Merson, Cundy, Thompson, Cottee, Aldridge, etc, etc. All stealing a living.
 
The people crying about this transfer :lol:

He'll be one of our best players.
 
Wouldn't be surprised if he turns out our player of the season given no-one wants him :lol: Big name signings have done feck all for us as of late tbf. The majority have flopped.
Aye that's what I'm thinking. Big signings are doing nothing for us
 
The people crying about this transfer :lol:

He'll be one of our best players.

Based on what? He's a mediocre journeyman who has only just had his best season at 28 (and even that season was decent at best). He has never demonstrated that he is good enough for a team with title ambitions.
 
Based on what? He's a mediocre journeyman who has only just had his best season at 28 (and even that season was decent at best). He has never demonstrated that he is good enough for a team with title ambitions.

His style of play, his performances for Croatia, his stats in a poor inter team, and our manager.
 
Based on what? He's a mediocre journeyman who has only just had his best season at 28 (and even that season was decent at best). He has never demonstrated that he is good enough for a team with title ambitions.
Never mind all that, he'll definitely be our best player because, you know, Mourinho wants him.
 
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