which is why i find it baffling that some expect him to suddenly become beckham 2.0 assist machine
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Assist stats can be so misleading though. I prefer to look at the chances created ones (no idea how he did in this department btw)
Cannot wait to see us line up against the rest of the top 6 with a front 3 of Perisic-Fellaini-Lingard 
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What in the world are you talking about? Pokémon? Really? Pokémon?
I don't know if I can reply following that without any condescension or facetiousness but I'll try. "Double digit" assists for any player puts them into an elite category of playmakers, the likes of Ozil or Fabregas. So it's kind of an odd statement, that. I...garr can't hold back any more...I assume "double digit" assists are commonplace for ya, on your Xbox where good strikers score 50 goals a season too.
Sorry. It's late. I've got no patience nonsense.
Lesser players with double digit assists last season in the league only.
Forsberg
Eriksen
Sigurdsson
Callejon
Dembele
Salah
A.Gomez
Candreva
Valero
Hamsek
Piatti
Lemar
Perisic in comparison has only 8 assists.
Naah, was just referring to players whose physical attributes got them through. So pure pace for Bale whilst at Spurs while a combination of pace + muscle for Tony V.
I agree. It was just a way to dismiss what one of the poster was suggesting, double digit assists don't make you elite. As for chances created, Squawka has him 53rd in key passes behind the likes of Puncheon, Redmond or Birsa.
People are overrating the impact that having a winger who likes to cross will bring to our attack. There's a reason that inverted wingers dominate at the best teams in comparison to traditional wide man. Also worth noting that even though our current group of wingers under performed last season in terms of goals they created plenty of chances and none of them lost the ball as much as Perisic.
On the other hand Perisic's defensive stats are strong. Of our current wingers only Mkhitaryan is on a similar level and Martial and Mata especially are way behind. This is why Mourinho wants him.
On the other hand Perisic's defensive stats are strong. Of our current wingers only Mkhitaryan is on a similar level and Martial and Mata especially are way behind. This is why Mourinho wants him.
This time next year people on here will be spelling Perisic F.L.O.P.
Probably the most uninspiring £50 million signing ever.
Probably the most uninspiring £50 million signing ever.
If we sign Perisic, we need a goalscoring #10. Otherwise we're relying on Lukaku for all our goals just like we were with Zlatan last season. Perisic and Mkhitaryan either side of him aren't going to get many more than 10 each, if that.
Not many FBs are as slow as our Darmian, so we think he is going to be skinning FBs with just the kick and run, we will be in for a shock. I don't get all the talk of proper 'old school winger', what's that? The best wingers today are able to switch play and have a few tricks up their to counter different situations. For £50m, I'd expect more than 'old school'
It really doesn't. but for the record, his assist history is pretty mediocre anyways. Chance creation is a better indicator as assists rely on finishers. His chance creation has been fairly average throughout his career also. I sincerely hope that we as a club are not using his last season at Inter as the benchmark for what he delivers because that can be very dangerous to pin your hopes on.Re: bolded
What in the world are you talking about? Pokémon? Really? Pokémon?
I don't know if I can reply following that without any condescension or facetiousness but I'll try. "Double digit" assists for any player puts them into an elite category of playmakers, the likes of Ozil or Fabregas. So it's kind of an odd statement, that. I...garr can't hold back any more...I assume "double digit" assists are commonplace for ya, on your Xbox where good strikers score 50 goals a season too.
Sorry. It's late. I've got no patience nonsense.
Perisic vs Rudiger
I don't know if it's desperation or boredom, but the idea of having a more traditional winger like him excites me and I welcome the signing.
Maybe it was just seeing the state if the squad we're taking to America has made me realise just how light we are in the attacking areas.
Maybe it was just seeing the state if the squad we're taking to America has made me realise just how light we are in the attacking areas.
Chance created means the pass that led to the shot. Player X passes the ball to Ronaldo and he will shoot from any distance which means a chance is created. Player Y passes the ball to Hernandez who will never shoot from distance which means chance is created.
So you can look for holes in any stat.
Ashley Young tries that many times but never manages a good cross.
Get lukaku on the end of that cross
He can switch play, go inside or out, has tricks, can pick a pass and is very good off both feet. Just because he backs himself to take on defenders on the outside it doesn't mean that's all he can do. And the people that have doubts because he's up against supposedly slow Serie A defenders should consider his goals against Cameroon and Spain in the World Cup and Euro's respectively.
The problem is that old school wingers are rare these days. So that drives prices up.
I have been following the EPL for enough time to acknowledge that its becoming more defensive by the hour. Too many clubs are happy to sit deep for the entire 90 minutes and get a point from us. In matter of fact, I can only think of only one league who was more defensive then that and it was the Serie A during the Catenacchio era.
Under such circumstances you've got to have players who can change your game completely. If plan A doesn't work then we need to kickstart a totally different plan which has the potential to completely change our plan forcing our opposition to throw their current tactics out of the window.
Seriously, that's what made us win the treble (ie switching from Yorke-Cole to Ole and Teddy). Please note that none of the players mentioned were world class.
I've watched enough of Perisic to know that he main play is kick and run, and fair play to the guy. If it works, it works. I'm not just convinced that he is adept at other ways of playing at a higher level and regularly. We are going to be faced up with teams just wanting to go on the defensive, that's if we don't do it first and we we just lack players that have that extra guile.
Spalletti said that he's willing to keep Perisic even against the player's will
He reminds me of Valencia back when he was a winger. A no-frills, direct player, albeit stronger with his weaker foot.
I agree with you on Perisic's diverse abilities but the problem is that he fails to use them efficiently, that's the key with Perisic.
I thought that was 'Key pass.'
Really curious to see how he does here, late bloomer but potentially offers qualities like width & directness we sorely missed last season from our flanks.
He's 28, if he can offer us 3 good seasons and nail down the left hand side role as his own, helping Mou pick up a few more trophies for us... then lets just do this.
A part of me loves the fact he's so tall too, with signings like Pogba, Lukaku, Baily and now this guy, it feels like we're building a proper pace and power outift.
He's 28, if he can offer us 3 good seasons and nail down the left hand side role as his own, helping Mou pick up a few more trophies for us... then lets just do this.
A part of me loves the fact he's so tall too, with signings like Pogba, Lukaku, Baily and now this guy, it feels like we're building a proper pace and power outift.
Im just mystified why he is on Instagram but not Twitter going by the thread title
Amusing title, we should change it to random facts about him for the rest of the transfer window.
Amusing title, we should change it to random facts about him for the rest of the transfer window.
Why do Mourinho seem hellbent on signing him if he is so average? I know managers make mistakes but he has to see something in Perisic to badly want him.
Im just mystified why he is on Instagram but not Twitter going by the thread title
Amusing title, we should change it to random facts about him for the rest of the transfer window.
It's because people were posting this:
And wondering if it's his account.
You need to see things into context. Martial, Mata and Mkhitaryan are our inside forwards. They can cut inside and cause some serious damage to the team. Perisic and Lingard/Young will be the 'old fashioned' wingers ie players who can hug the byline and cross the ball. That package (inside forwards and wingers) should give us unpredictability, same as Teddy, Ole, Cole and Yorke during the treble run.
I don't think Griezmann (a no 10) has anything to do with Perisic (a winger) tbh. In my opinion we would have signed Perisic either way. I don't believe that Mou is quite happy with his no 10 options at the moment and I won't be surprised if he adds a no 10 either during the summer or in January.
The only logical reasoning for me is that maybe he really doesn't fancy or really distrusts Shaw and the other LB options. And by that, should we be signing a £50m player to shore up the left side from an attacking position? It just smells like another defend first tactic again. Just my opinion though. Other than that, I don't see why he must be tall and somewhat defensive when compared to other wingers.
He is not the type that will cut in often to allow Shaw to overlap and attack, and cover Shaw either. It's a bit confusing for me really
Such a risk getting wide players from Serie A, their success rate over here is abysmal. Relatively gentle pace and lack of width means these guys have so much more space and time on the ball in Italy. I'd be (pleasantly) surprised if Perisic was able to replicate his 2016/17 Inter season in the Premier League. I'd expect a drop off in productivity.
Why wait til next year? There's already 142 pages in this thread, with at least an average of 1 post that calls him a failure/flop.
Actually its very difficult for old fashioned wingers to do well in Italy.
a- Serie A provide loads of protection to goalkeepers. In the EPL a stk vs goalkeeper challenge can go either way. It isn't the case in the Serie A (hence why Italian keepers tend to struggle on crosses)
b- Italians just love to play with a 3 men defense. That means that the striker will find himself surrounded by 3 men rather then 2 for most of the time. Good luck whipping a good cross with Chiellini, Bonucci and Barzagli around
c- Italian CBs might not be as good as they were of old but they are certainly taller. Barzagli (6ft2), Bonucci (6ft3), Chiellini (6ft2), Romagnoli (6ft2) and Rugani (6ft3) would eat on the Baresi brothers (5ft9/5ft10), Costacurta (6ft), Scirea (5ft10) and Cannavaro (5ft9) heads.
Sign him up Woodie Maybe I'm just a sucker for underdogs, but Perisic signing is a signing I genuinely look forward too. Sort of like that Mirko Vucinic signing that never happened neither, but was great to watch in the Serie A.
I'm not even as excited by Lukaku as I am with Perisic. I think it's the hard working rate in him that I like - sort of the same reason I've liked Valencia, Rafael, etc. I just think he is the perfect fit and has the perfect mindset for Mourinho.
+ I think he is one that can create magic in big games.
Maybe I'm just a sucker for underdogs, but Perisic signing is a signing I genuinely look forward too. Sort of like that Mirko Vucinic signing that never happened neither, but was great to watch in the Serie A.I'm not even as excited by Lukaku as I am with Perisic. I think it's the hard working rate in him that I like - sort of the same reason I've liked Valencia, Rafael, etc. I just think he is the perfect fit and has the perfect mindset for Mourinho.
+ I think he is one that can create magic in big games.
People moaning here about his price tag. Yes, it is a lot for nearly 29 year old player.
But we must look at this from another angle.
1. We need winger. Desperately. Classic winger who can beat a player. We don't have any in our squad. We have wide playmakers, we have strikers who are playing wide and we have lingard who is.... well, awful winger.
So perisic goes straight in first 11. He is upgrade to our squad.
2. We need goals from wide positions. He scores goals. He is not goal maschine like barca or real wingers but he scores
3. Again, he can dribble past player and cross the ball. Now with lukaku in team , it will be very important weapon for us.
4. There are no many better wingers on the market who are available.
So we need him. Will he be our neymar or robben? No. But he will do the job. He will provide double figures in goals and assists.
But we must look at this from another angle.
1. We need winger. Desperately. Classic winger who can beat a player. We don't have any in our squad. We have wide playmakers, we have strikers who are playing wide and we have lingard who is.... well, awful winger.
So perisic goes straight in first 11. He is upgrade to our squad.
2. We need goals from wide positions. He scores goals. He is not goal maschine like barca or real wingers but he scores
3. Again, he can dribble past player and cross the ball. Now with lukaku in team , it will be very important weapon for us.
4. There are no many better wingers on the market who are available.
So we need him. Will he be our neymar or robben? No. But he will do the job. He will provide double figures in goals and assists.
You are making a great point but hear me out.
First of all, our most natural FBs are attack minded (Shaw and Valencia). Unless, José doesnt fancy Shaw, or doesn't want him to play his natural way (imo), should he not support to allow the player play to his optimum capacity? Playing Perisic could mean the end of Shaw as a more attack minded FB.
Secondly, unless José is going to heavily utilise a #10 that has a eye for driving in and getting goals ala Micky (or and James), I feel like the goal scoring burden on Lukaku will be too much. First of all, we have close to zero options on the RW, where I feel we need reinforcement but since Valencia will bomb forward, it makes sense to have an IF to join in the box to augment Lukaku's scoring. I hope we get James but I feel like a DM will be a priority too given that we have none. This is how I imagine it, a 433 with one DM, say Fabinho that acts like a false CB falling into psuedo back 3, 2 FBs bombing forward, 2 wingers cutting to flood the box with Lukaku. I say this because we made chances but had no bodies in the box.
This way, we make the best use of every player at our disposal, something Chelsea did well last season. Perisic will effectively end Shaw and Martial as we know them. It isn't really worth it imo. Martial has a thirst to be in the box and an eye for goal more than being a supplier, let him flourish and be the player we hope, Shaw wants to bomb forward and while I know he leaves spaces, hopefully our CBs are better plus the addition of a DM. Lukaku will most likely be used as a target man, let him be the guy to lay it off for runners into the box, which we lacked last season.
Perisic is very adept in playing 3/4 positions, he is a utility player similar to Lingard but with a lot more ability. With the imminent arrival of Lukaku, it feels like Perisic is in Mourinho's sights to occupy the role of second striker or an inside forward.
Good point. How many goals did the Inter strikers score? Should be a good indicator whether they were wayward in front of goal or not. It would be silly to talk about assists when you create chances that are missed. However, how do we know the quality of those chances created? were they deemed good chances or were the chances that required wonder strikes or control for them to be converted?
He looks good, not sure why people are moaning so much. We can afford to pay more than he's worth, we can afford to pay for someone slightly too old. Sure ideally we'd get someone jus as good at 23 but there's no one out there that fits that bill.
Get this guy in now and we keep scouting for his longer term replacement. What's not to like?
People continue to ignore the fact that players availability and willingness to join is key. You can't just throw money and expect players to join. It doesn't happen.
Get this guy in now and we keep scouting for his longer term replacement. What's not to like?
People continue to ignore the fact that players availability and willingness to join is key. You can't just throw money and expect players to join. It doesn't happen.
a- We had embraced the concept of attacking fullbacks long before we embraced the idea of inside forwards. Parker was allowed to leave United pretty much because he was a defensive fullback who offered nothing when going forward. Sure, Shaw and Valencia will need to be able to both defend and attack. There again they already do that (actually Valencia does, Shaw has yet to bless us with his presence for enough time for us to build an opinion on him)
b- I can't imagine ourselves not adding a top quality no 10 (unless of course Mou has everything settled for Griezmann in Jan). However I feel you're tackling this in the wrong way. What I am suggesting is a fluid system were we've got the personnel to swiftly change from one formation to another with little effort. United can switch from 4-3-3 system with 1/2 inside forwards to a 4-3-3 system with 1/2 'traditional wingers right to a 4-2-3-1 system with a no 10 and 1/2 traditional wingers or 1/2 traditional wingers. I do think that we're still short of a DM and a top quality no 10 to do so. Hopefully we'll tackle that issue shortly.
c- Perisic will be a cover/competitor/mentor to Martial and not his senior. There will be times when Martial will play and others where Perisic will play. Regarding Shaw, assuming he's still at United after so many years doing jack shit then he will develop into a fullback who can both defend and attack. Pretty much what the likes of Gaz, Irwin and Valencia did/do
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