If you had just written this, I think it would have sparked a better debate - I actually agree with most of what you have said here.Not that bad a summary considering you're taking the piss.
Yes it is melodramatic, purposefully so to spark a debate about how complicit the fans are in causing our current predicament. Perhaps went a bit far with certain analogies/buzzwords but so be it. Forget Ed, forget Jose.. we have dinosaurs within our own fan base, and a certain segment who seem to think 'winning at all costs' is a effective philosophy at the expense of playing good football. They've gotten into the mindset that if we now dare to play good football, we are giving in to the 'good football' brigade and 'hipsters'. It is ridiculous, as 8 times out of 10 a winning side, is well-drilled and tends to play good football. Not to mention they have a very 'player-centred' approach to criticism as in whenever we play poorly - it is players at fault, and are oblivious to the effects of good coaching. Furthermore it seems unforgivable to give a player a run of games and let them play through bad patches of form, or give them confidence.. instead all of them should have incredibly thick skins and handle being arbitrarily dropped, even though certain favorites never get dropped when they're just as ineffective.
Attack the safe space.
tldr version please?
tldr version please?
My team is playing bad after end of an era in 2014 therefore I want a ban from internet forum because logic, but in the meantime I will insult few people by calling them Trump loving Mouronic rednecks to show that I'm not a raging peasant myself after writing an essay so everyone can think I'm a free thinking liberal poet, drinking absynth in secluded lodge somewhere in Dagobah.tldr version please?
See, the thing with winning is, it should happen every once in a while if you want to avoid being stuck in mediocrity for the foreseeable future.Not that bad a summary considering you're taking the piss.
Yes it is melodramatic, purposefully so to spark a debate about how complicit the fans are in causing our current predicament. Perhaps went a bit far with certain analogies/buzzwords but so be it. Forget Ed, forget Jose.. we have dinosaurs within our own fan base, and a certain segment who seem to think 'winning at all costs' is a effective philosophy at the expense of playing good football. They've gotten into the mindset that if we now dare to play good football, we are giving in to the 'good football' brigade and 'hipsters'. It is ridiculous, as 8 times out of 10 a winning side, is well-drilled and tends to play good football. Not to mention they have a very 'player-centred' approach to criticism as in whenever we play poorly - it is players at fault, and are oblivious to the effects of good coaching. Furthermore it seems unforgivable to give a player a run of games and let them play through bad patches of form, or give them confidence.. instead all of them should have incredibly thick skins and handle being arbitrarily dropped, even though certain favorites never get dropped when they're just as ineffective.
And who would you blame that on. Almost every United fan could predict if you do not back jose fully with funds , we will get a moaning jose. Yet the board did nothing. We can have 20 threads of how jose is the problem but the reality is he is just another pawn and the real issue is that our club is run in a clueless manner. We lacked any direction since we sacked moyes. From lvg to Jose, now to who?I don't disagree ragarding his behaviour. Him speaking about respect is extremely ironic. And many feared this happening when he came.
Anyone who is Mourinho in is a narrow minded moron who is holding the club back. Also we're very right wing.tldr version please?
My team is playing bad after end of an era in 2014 therefore I want a ban from internet forum because logic, but in the meantime I will insult few people by calling them Trump loving Mouronic rednecks to show that I'm not a raging peasant myself after writing an essay so everyone can think I'm a free thinking liberal poet, drinking absynth in secluded lodge somewhere in Dagobah.
In the 60's we could leave our door open because robbers were stealing only from ultra elititist banks... and Kennedy, don't forget about him, he died to oppose people like Mourinho in the future who's biggest crime against humanity was to win against SAF with Porto.
Remember kids, people who support their own manager and doesn't give a flying F about Pep and Klopp are Satan. Now please, tell me exact time you're banning me so my last post on the forum will be quote from my favourite intellectual movie with Mel Gibson.
So if United go on a 10 match winning run (not going to happen, but for the sake of argument) and propel themselves into pole position then he is still not going to be arsed because Mourinho would be in charge..? Cool.
Ok that might explain a bit, even though I can't understand how could a United fan do that. Support this club through thick and thin.I think this is just worded badly, I think he means going to games.
I’m very close to kicking it on the head. There was a tucking almost famous burger van outside OT the other day and I was surrounded by lads who literally had come over from America and weren’t interested in the game in the slightest. Mix that up with a manager who goes against the very heart and soul of the club and I begin to wonder why I bother.
tldr version please?
A few years ago maybe. Now I don’t have the time.Do anyone really read these long threads ?
My team is playing bad after end of an era in 2014 therefore I want a ban from internet forum because logic, but in the meantime I will insult few people by calling them Trump loving Mouronic rednecks to show that I'm not a raging peasant myself after writing an essay so everyone can think I'm a free thinking liberal poet, drinking absynth in secluded lodge somewhere in Dagobah.
In the 60's we could leave our door open because robbers were stealing only from ultra elititist banks... and Kennedy, don't forget about him, he died to oppose people like Mourinho in the future who's biggest crime against humanity was to win against SAF with Porto.
Remember kids, people who support their own manager and doesn't give a flying F about Pep and Klopp are Satan. Now please, tell me exact time you're banning me so my last post on the forum will be quote from my favourite intellectual movie with Mel Gibson.
It can be but this isn't.
OP is Mourinho in.
My team is playing bad after end of an era in 2014 therefore I want a ban from internet forum because logic, but in the meantime I will insult few people by calling them Trump loving Mouronic rednecks to show that I'm not a raging peasant myself after writing an essay so everyone can think I'm a free thinking liberal poet, drinking absynth in secluded lodge somewhere in Dagobah.
In the 60's we could leave our door open because robbers were stealing only from ultra elititist banks... and Kennedy, don't forget about him, he died to oppose people like Mourinho in the future who's biggest crime against humanity was to win against SAF with Porto.
Remember kids, people who support their own manager and doesn't give a flying F about Pep and Klopp are Satan. Now please, tell me exact time you're banning me so my last post on the forum will be quote from my favourite intellectual movie with Mel Gibson.
Anyone who is Mourinho in is a narrow minded moron who is holding the club back. Also we're very right wing.
@Raees
Have I got the right or wrong perception of what you are saying?
Shortened version - there is a religious view of looking at football & a scientific view at looking at football.
Religious view might seem stronger - but ultimately they believe whatever they are told & will support anything whether it is right or wrong - the red necks.
The scientific approach to football may pick up mistakes early - a type of mindset that is open to the club changing & prefers it going in a certain direction over another. This is also related to the players, how they are coached & general expectations of the club.
What you fall in - is ultimately your view on football & how you expect to see United in the future.
This is what I believe in anyway; there is this hierarchy structure of supporters keep as a way of igniting their own viewpoints.
See I find myself in the scientific view of football and supporting United; where for pure example - thought that going for Jose after LVG and him buying players like Lukaku to glorify at the top of our club was a waste of time; considering it amplied success over pure club capability. Now that the club is struggling; i sit there being argued to be less of a supporter by the red necks but also having analysed and expected the problems that were to come. Some just want the club to win and do not care how it is done, which players are used and which tactics - they are the religious followers of football. I am not that and want to see an identity, a structiure, a scientific formation to my football club.
@Fingeredmouse
we not just have a toxic narcisstic tyrant who shits on the club and his players at every given opportunity
Attack the safe space.
Wait, so in your eyes OP can make huge, sweeping and laughably flawed insinuations about numerous members of this forum and our fanbase in general, including myself without any evidence to support his claims beyond a few misappropriated political concepts and he's absolutely valid in what he's doing but if other users coyly do the same thing just to highlight how absurd OP is being we "best (not?) jump to pointless insinuations?" Would you prefer it if I invoked the Third Reich and added a couple dozen unnecessary paragraphs to my post perhaps? Maybe that would make the point I'm making more palatable.]
What? I'm saying you haven't a clue whether the OP has 'underlying issues' or is a 'madman' so it's best to jump to such pointless insinuations.
This is a forum if you haven't noticed. The topic he's speaking on and the view he's expressed is absolutely valid. It's just the representation that is completely off, unlike your posts the actual context of which was poor.
I feel like it was intended to be a well written piece of philosophical journalism meant to enlighten the caf, but it's not quite worked.
No, I think he managed West Brom under 5s or something.Don't you support West Brom?
I might be out of line here but giving up supporting a club because you dislike the current manager stinks of glory hunting to me. We finished 2nd last season and won trophies the season before ffs. Supporting a club is meant to be much more than that you're meant to stick with you club through good times and bad.
No, I think he managed West Brom under 5s or something.
I won't support the team while he is in charge. He's a disgrace to the club. There is a difference between not being good enough i.e. Moyes/LVG and behaving the way Mourinho has in the past year. The results also don't back up his methods or make up for his behaviour and the football is tumescent as feck. I'll be celebrating when he is sacked and will no doubt be eager to be the first to post in his farewell thread. No point wasting any emotions in supporting this current shitshow.
Spooky, I remember a policeman calling me that at The Hawthorns once.Socially progressive counter culture Dadaist?
No, the fans are to blame. If you stop standing up for certain values, principles and you glorify managers such as Mourinho in his current guise (peak Jose is a different story) then when the club is in its current predicament, and you're still oblivious to the causes and what are the right actions to take, then yes.. the fans are also complicit. They get what they deserve.