The problem is not the opinion itself, I'm disagreeing with you thinking it's WELL WRITTEN! It's just a load of hyperbolic waffle that people are laughing AT instead of WITH.
ITT: Poster who doesn’t want to waste emotion returns with emotional buzzfeed essay insulting fans
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The problem is not the opinion itself, I'm disagreeing with you thinking it's WELL WRITTEN! It's just a load of hyperbolic waffle that people are laughing AT instead of WITH.
In a very long-winded way using insults and offending the jews? That's quite easy
Just another poster who wants attention and is scared their views will go amiss in other threads. Obviously this guys opinions are really really important
I don't disagree ragarding his behaviour. Him speaking about respect is extremely ironic. And many feared this happening when he came.
I was curious.
You toxicly masculine right winger you!
I think it's best you stay away then.
I was curious.
Don't be, it kills cats.
So you're not going to waste your emotions so you thought the way to do that is to create a thread where you're just emotionally ranting? Good job objective achieved
He's noted it and apologised.
No, the fans are to blame. If you stop standing up for certain values, principles and you glorify managers such as Mourinho in his current guise (peak Jose is a different story) then when the club is in its current predicament, and you're still oblivious to the causes and what are the right actions to take, then yes.. the fans are also complicit. They get what they deserve.
Oh Mourinho the taste of your lips I'm on a ride, you're toxic I'm slipping under with a taste of a poison paradise. I'm addicted to you don't you know that you're toxic?
These replies! It's much easier to criticize Putin on an Alex Jones platform than speak the truth about Mourinho on this forum!
It's much easier to criticize Putin on an Alex Jones platform than speak the truth about Mourinho on this forum!These replies!
Eh? He's slagged off plenty, but if you support the writings of a madman that is the opening post, that says a lot more about you than anyone else.
These replies!
What are you on about? The majority of the Caf are critical of Mourinho - this OP was just a hyperbolic and hysterical car crash though, that's why people are laughing. It's a proper meltdown of the highest order.
Is this an excerpt from an Undergraduate thesis: "Alt Right manipulation of media and toxic masculinity in contrast to socialist total football: An examination".
No point wasting emotions, best thing to do is ask for your self request year-long ban to be reversed so you can come on here and post an emotional essay about your feelings.
Bit racist, but I'll allow it.
Can someone give a TLDR version?
I assume he is saying, "Jose Out"?
I assume he is saying, "Jose Out"?
Well, it is easier to criticise Trump and Alex Jones than Mourinho by any objective measure, however: this forum is enormously ant-Mourinho and there are several billion threads where you can join the chorus of critcism. The OP is, however, a well crafted WUM or a psychotic episode.These replies!
Yep, but his way of saying it was too important to go in another thread, everyone had to see it.
Madman is going too far. He's bit emotional about something he loves and was melodramatic in the way he put his point across. His actual viewpoint is commonly found.
Not sure what's worse - the unnecessary length, the overall theme, the weird Nazi allegories, the misuse of the concept of toxic masculinity, the weird title, the fact someone thought it would be a good idea to publish this crime against sports writing or the fact someone wrote it at all. Bravo.
Sevilla - aftermath..
Sevilla was the original breaking point for a select few. Not necessarily the result or the performance but the manner in which the manager handled the aftermath. Since that result the faith in the manager being able to put the clubs needs first over his own need for self-glorification disintegrated. It also exposed the fact that there was a large segment of our fans who seemed utterly oblivious and complicit with the manager absolving himself of any blame. Permitting him to not only throw his own men in the line of fire but tarnishing the fabric of the club with unjustified digs about our status amongst the elite.
We are often of the opinion that no player is bigger than the club yet suddenly it seemed more than okay with the manager placing himself above the status of the club. Whereas Sir Alex always saw himself as a servant or guardian of the club, with the odd hubris induced slip up (JP MacManus affair).. the current manager revealed just how much he really values this job (a mere notch in his much garlanded belt).
Boycott and fascism...
Having decided to boycott United for the remainder of Jose’s tenure (not even Moyes or LVG had driven me to this) it was still hurtful to see that preseason was a car crash of epic proportions in terms of man management and press relations. Mourinho used the press as a medium to criticise players (both first team and youth), lash out at the board (contrast this with Pochettino who sang from the same hymn sheet as Levy begrudgingly but for the harmony of the club - see also Fergie during the value years) and bitterly attack rivals (not from a position of strength but instead a display of weakness). This incredibly toxic environment, all of the managers making has bled into the predicament we now find ourselves in.
Ever since that Sevilla game, the stench of toxic narcisstic masculinity began to increasingly permeate through the fanbase, making it a hostile and unbearable place to be a part of. Funnily enough the same individuals who tended to frequent the 'is the United forum safe to enter thread' are the same types who are making the football forums an inhospitable place to visit at the moment. Now it seems to have reached its zenith.
Now what truly upsets me and has driven me to write this post is that we not just have a toxic narcisstic tyrant who shits on the club and his players at every given opportunity (which he didn’t used to do as publicly Pre 2010) we currently have a very toxic fan base too who I feel will continue to drag this club back to the dark ages unless they reform and move with the times. Redcafe’s football forums for example have become a very backwards bitter place, in stark contrast to the current events forums. It’s weird to describe football in terms of left wing v right wing type of tactics/politics but if Barcelona tend to represent the extreme left in terms of playing philosophy (flair/possession/proactiveness of playing style) then United traditionally have always been a left wing team, as in built to dominate the game and assert their identity on a game albeit occasionally grinding out results against someone technically or tactically more advanced. If we look at Europe as whole, majority of the leading sides are left wing and exceptions to the rule i.e. Atletico or Juventus are also high pressing or possession heavy sides, which incorporate liberal forward thinking tactical aspects into their game despite being more pragmatic and right wing-ish than their peers (as in they are more balanced in terms of philsophy compared to extreme attack). United currently are the most right wing side top team in the game, almost fascist like in terms of their approach and whilst that horrifies most united fans and is alienating young fans of the future .. there is a large segment of fans who couldn’t be happier about this transformation.
Generational conflict - Warriors and Snowflakes
Fans from 50s/ 60s generally seemed to have a more romantic ideal of what our club should be about and better understand the values and appreciate just how important entertainment and flair was in establishing the legacy of this club. They were also brought up in an era of gentler rivalries. I think fans brought up watching the game during the 80s probably form a strong component of the the self-serving jingoistic glory hunting segment (top rednecks) we have now. Bitter and twisted by our failures in the 80s and ego-fuelled by our dominance in the 90s, they love nothing better than boasting how their loyalty to a gaffer yielded an era of unprecedented success, how their ‘win at all costs’ mentality makes them more masculine and truer fans and that those fans who dare to criticise managers or expect to enjoy a game of football are a group of flighty, spoilt, tree hugging homosexuals. We see regular attacks on soft millenials and ‘lack of leadership’ attributes in modern young men, despite the fact that football will always be a young man's game and therefore all clubs and their fans have to adapt with every new generation of players and their respective quirks and mentalities rather than the players having to adapt to the mindsets of fans born in yesteryear, brought up in different circumstances. Despite the academies being more competitive than ever before, more media scrutiny than ever before, more emphasis on success than ever before, more unrelenting commitment to fitness and the fickle nature of hero to zero in the modern game - players these days are apparently snowflakes with zero mental fortitude. And despite player rebellions or lack of professionalism being a strong feature throughout the history of the game by players greater and more successful than our current set (Maradona, Cantona, Keano etc), it seems only this generation of players and particularly those who feature for United in our current squad are the only culprits. The fact that the world's greatest or second greatest player or the world's greatest centre-back practically rebelled against our manager despite being renowned as two of the most professional players of all time, barely merits recognition.
We see our manager using this toxic masculinity agenda to justify his recent lack of results .. ‘players these days are too soft to respond to my bollockings’. Fergie possessed foresight and was able to understand this is just societal evolution and in a leadership role one has to adapt one's own generational mindset in order to successfully appeal to the hearts and minds of the future generations. With the growing rise of 'feminism', greater mixing of genders in general, the breakdown of nuclear families, it is only normal that the makeup of the modern man is changing. What seems 'naff' to an older male, is 'cool' for someone of a younger generation.. similarly, how you respond to various types of motivational or disciplinary methods, or the way you view the game also can vary from generation to generation. We live in a post Barca world of football, that Pep side of 2008-12 revolutionised the game in a global sense and it is pragmatic to assume, that the new generations coming through will be more receptive to that style of football than they will be to a less stylish backs to the wall approach. What that side did popularise was pressing, working at a high intensity.. so working hard and covering distances is trendy, and it is carried out by the snowflake generation? so much for being lazy and unwilling to put in the hard yards. Even someone like Simeone, incorporates aspects of that revolution into his system (high press in packs, fast one-touch possession play, being proactive tactically).
The Dirty Word.. 'CXXXching'
The other recent phenomena that has hit home just how dangerous this toxic segment of the fan base has become is that the word ‘coaching’ has become a dirty word. Anyone who dare praise the ‘coaching’ of the likes of Pep or Klopp is a hipster. Apparently it is sheer fortune that they constantly target the right players and benefit from having the right scouting processes in place to enable them to do that. If we had Salah managed by Jose we would win the title.. if only we signed Mané or Lucas to solve our wide issues. Lukaku is a donkey who misses chances and puts our beloved manager under pressure despite the fact he has maybe 1-2 clear cut chances a game (if you watch Aguero and Kane closely, you’ll see they miss shitloads but it gets ignored as they get enough chances to put it right in the same game). Anyone that fails to perform is shit, doesn’t deserve to be here, has a terrible attitude or is out of their depth despite Klopp managing to get the likes of Henderson/Milner midfields into champions league finals and giving decent account of themselves against European royalty (not to mention regularly controlling games week in week out home or away).
The thought of someone ‘coaching’ us out of this situation by improving our players technical ability, tactical awareness and mentalities through clever drills or an arm around the shoulder (giving them confidence) seems perverse and soft. Why can’t these nancies just be professional and be men on the pitch, fighting for every cause like we used to in the nineties or like our macho alcoholic inflicted bunch from the 80s etc. Seemingly oblivious to the fact that sides like City and Liverpool with physically smaller players or less athletic players than us, using systematic pressing on a consistent basis to induce fear into the opposition and give them an aura of aggressiveness. Oblivious to the fact these teams are hunting in packs rather than relying on the winning of individual physical battles. What is often forgotten is how soft young modern men can be moulded by the likes of Pep or Klopp into being aggressive ball winners. They don’t buy ready made aggressive ball winners with bundles of work rate.. they coach that into players (See Aguero, KDB, Sterling or Wijnaldum, Ox - a kid who was written off and tactically lost under Wenger).
Similarly on a ball playing front, these managers don’t just buy ball-playing defenders and let them get on with it, they give them the confidence to make mistakes in possession when bringing it out and give them a precise blueprint in terms of how to play out from the back and don’t just completely leave it in the hands of the players own decision making. This ensures autonomous playing out from the back when under extreme pressure and minimises errors. Contrary to belief, the likes of Van Dijk, Kompany, Stones.. make many errors on the ball, they're not perfect but they know their managers won't destroy them if they err when trying to be proactive from the back (within reason) and the younger two of that trio will grow to become more reliable at doing so once it becomes ingrained within them. Compare that to the development of Bailly and Lindelof. Bailly stormed onto the scene with bags of confidence, capable of showing high technical skills with the ball albeit an inconsistent passer and Lindelof for all his defensive flaws, seems a natural baller but they both just have not progressed at all with regards to bringing it out from the back. Neither has De Gea progressed whatsoever in terms of passing it out, his kicking if anything is worse than pre LVG.
Masterful Manipulation of the Press #fakenews
Furthermore this vendetta against the press from the manager (who shares unnecessary information with them on a regular basis when it suits his agenda as you can see from the quotes above) and how it gets all the top Red-necks wet with excitement is sickening.
It’s not befitting of this club and is an absolute disgrace. Yet Mou's Mourons and Red-necks champion this constant spew of vitriol and compare it to Fergie's handling of the press. We saw this at Chelsea and Madrid, where Mourinho successfully divided fans via the media when coming to the end of his reign, with his army of fans becoming growingly poisonous, before eventually realising letting him go was the right decision as he had overstayed his welcome. Fergie was consistent in his approach to the press, he was always difficult with them and never trusted them. He would be relatively professional but he rarely if ever used the press as a tool to get his way and attack targets of his ire especially his own players or the senior management. I’m sure there are exceptions to the rule but it wasn’t his modus operandi. Jose is too friendly with the media and exploits the press to soothe his own ego or feed his agenda and then when it suits him, he plays the ‘fake news’ card and paints them as the enemy. Just like Trump prostituting himself on social media, constantly lying about this and that and then having the audacity to accuse others of fake news and manipulating the public. Both these narcissists are master manipulators and just like republican politicians are accomplices who facilitate this horrific practice we have our own brand of top Red-neck Mourons who do exactly the same.
R.E.S.P.E.C.T
For this club to progress our fans need to drop this toxic masculinity masquerade and championing this cnut of a manager. Learn to appreciate the history of the club as well as being more aware of the wider trends in the game in general. You’ll note that the club has at its best always been ahead of its time and its values are timeless. In fact they align well to the most successful clubs of modern times. Many clubs imitate or share the practices of what made United great.. the fast flowing football currently being enjoyed at Anfield is reminiscent of Fergie's United. At City and Liverpool, despite big signings, you see them attack even when lesser players are having to be fielded.. see Delph, Milner, Hendo, Lovren to name but a few. Even when Liverpool lose Coutinho - a genuine world class talent and the heartbeat of their playing style - their philosophy, their tactics has remained consistent. We ourselves have spent the past 6 years running away from our past and yes Woodward is complicit in this too but as fans, we have the final say. If we protest, or make a stand - shit inevitably gets done. Sticking your head in the sand and shouting 'fake news' will not make this situation better. Nor does flying a plane with a banner calling for more money to spent. If it called for better football and RESPECT for the clubs values, traditions, we might actually start getting back on the path to glory.
Bye, you won't be missed for sure.
He's saying that Mourinho is right wing and using Trump like media manipulation and, in doing so, he is supported by a "toxicly masculine" socially conservative and equally right wing fan base, which is in stark contrast to the core left wing values of Man Utd, as traditionally expressed through exciting socialist attacking (presumably left) wing play.
Shortened version - there is a religious view of looking at football & a scientific view at looking at football.
Religious view might seem stronger - but ultimately they believe whatever they are told & will support anything whether it is right or wrong - the red necks.
The scientific approach to football may pick up mistakes early - a type of mindset that is open to the club changing & prefers it going in a certain direction over another. This is also related to the players, how they are coached & general expectations of the club.
What you fall in - is ultimately your view on football & how you expect to see United in the future.
Religious view might seem stronger - but ultimately they believe whatever they are told & will support anything whether it is right or wrong - the red necks.
The scientific approach to football may pick up mistakes early - a type of mindset that is open to the club changing & prefers it going in a certain direction over another. This is also related to the players, how they are coached & general expectations of the club.
What you fall in - is ultimately your view on football & how you expect to see United in the future.
Putting it mildly! It's bloody football
I mean, I get cranky when United lose but that post - if written in all seriousness - looks a bit unhealthy.Nah mate, something this dire suggests far more underlying issues than just being "a bit emotional"
My sentiments exactly. If one of my friends or relatives presented me with an carefully crafted collection of crap like this I'd be staging an intervention.Putting it mildly! It's bloody football
Do anyone really read these long threads ?
It's not too bad a read if you stop reading once politics are mentioned
Thing is, there's people here who actually right well so it's good that they explore that here. And Raees is usually a good one. This just... went pretty wrong.Putting it mildly! It's bloody football
Yes.
Indeed. What a train wreck of an OP. Incredible.
I'm by no means a José supporter but this is just, just wow, I have no words.
I doubt it. Actually we don't know. So let's not pretend to.
ok, here it is
Mourinho out!!!!
I hate Mourinho!!!
And, will somebody hug me?
I need a hug!
Pleaseeee, hug mee!
No it doesn't say that at all does it? Where does it discuss "religious vs. Scientific views of football".