Down to the top-notch propaganda that's being spoon fed to everybody by the large anti-Israel body. Most people having a sub-concious disliking of anything remotely associated with being Jewish are more than happy to accept it as the truth without even investigating the bigger picture.
Israeli - Palestinian Conflict
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Down to the top-notch propaganda that's being spoon fed to everybody by the large anti-Israel body. Most people having a sub-concious disliking of anything remotely associated with being Jewish are more than happy to accept it as the truth without even investigating the bigger picture.
The answer is I don't know. I don't think there is an agenda against Israel. Again, Like I said, even if UN was biased against Israel, do you think the whole of mainstream media will go to an extent to just manipulate the civilian casualties?. Is everyone in one the agenda then?
This is one of the arguments raised here after the flotilla incident:
"This comment is very revealing. You're either really really stupid, or are simply trying to mislead people as per fearful and unholybore. Every single Israeli spokeman has been saying "but we transfer 15,000 tons of aid into Gaza every week", but quoting absoloute figures is completely meaningless. There are nearly 1.5 million people in Gaza, so who's to say 15,000 tons is enough?? The UN, Amnesty International, The Red Cross and a whole host of other aid organisations have repeatedly stated living conditions in Gaza are terrible. Virtually no cement has been let in since the decimation of houses and flats that occurred in the attack 18 months ago, with large numbers of people living in makeshift tents in the desert."
Again, it's Israel who prevents safe housing for the poor Palestinians with the harsh restrictions on Gaza imports.
Did you not deny when I said, Civilian death's were 50-60% few days back??.
Two UN secretary generals admit it, and you "don't know". Astonishingly, you "do know" the number of civilian casualties in Gaza by adopting figures from one Palestinian side. The media quotes figures, and those are given by Palestinians. Are you aware of the fact that inflated figures could serve the Palestinian cause?
Do they?
No. I have maintained that the numbers are anyone's guess. Rings a bell? Otherwise you're welcome to do a quick search.
It works both ways - Israeli missile strikes in Gaza seldom get a mention outside of wartime too. As I've already mentioned - 79% of back-and-forths are initiated by Israel.
Considering its sophisticated military infrastructure, nuclear arsenal and unquestionable support from the most powerful nation on earth, Israel's survival won't be compromised anytime soon. Its the Palestinians who should fear for theirs.
Do you admit to Ban ki moon's statement that what Israel did was "Atrocious" , then?. He is still the UN General Secretary right?.
Ok. I admit UN is biased against Israel. Does that mean that whatever being reported is false??.
No point arguing numbers with him. Everything is biased, you see. The whole world is conspiring against them and they are fighting it.
I wouldn't think anti-semitism is that rife among non-Muslims. I'd say most people don't give two shits on the ME bloodshed, which is why they don't bother with basic research. The role of some media outlets is shameful though.
Ahh that old nutshell.
So you're accusing me of being an anti-Semite then?
What of the Jewish critics of Israel - the Chomskys, Finkelsteins and Pappes of this world - are they self-hating Jews then?
Similarly, should all critics of Hamas be considered Islamaphobes?
That's because in between large-scale operations the IAF retaliates to rocket fire by targetting tunnels and empty areas. With all the bias in the world, you can't sell sand dune rights in the media.
Your second point is interesting. You do admit that Israel's military might is its only guarantee for survival, in line with the what the gentelman in Fearless' youtube video suggested. In contrast, if the Palestinians lay down their weapons they'll get peace and would still control the vast majority of what they call Palestine. Unless they resort to killing each other.
@holyland red do you do anything in life other than this thread? Seems like you are just mashing f5 in this thread 24/7.
In fact, they are.
A shill. You are not paying attention.
Debating with you could be more constructive if you didn't contradict yourself in one single post
Except Israel's military might is being used disproportionately. There's a fine line between launching a defensive and offensive attack. Israel claims that her attacks are always defensive, though in truth they're hitting with such visceral devastation it goes far beyond the point of becoming defensive.
I'd also contest the fact that if Palestinians were to drop their weapons they'll get peace. If they dropped their weapons in '48 they would still have been told to do one to make way for the colonisers. Let's also be honest - peace does not suit the Zionist agenda since in wartime they can justify their expansionist policy and have tenuous reason to not declare borders and to continue building settlements.
Right.
So if I'm to deduce this correctly - anyone of Jewish faith or blood who criticises the state of Israel is by default logic a self-hating Jew then?
That's quite a stretch.
I am done here as well. You just keep ignoring the question and be in denial.
“Nobody would give a damn for the Palestinians if the Jews were not involved”
- Palestinian poet Mahmoud Darwish
Case in point: How many mass demo's have there been outside the Syrian embassy??????????
Now imagine if it were Israel fighting Hezbollah - Assad's bloodthirsty henchmen.
Different issues become causes for different reasons. Suggesting that most people are influenced by subliminal anti-Semetic feelings is counterproductive at best and downright offensive at worst.
I can't find any evidence on google that he said that other than a post by you from 3 years ago.
@Fearless only spouts complete nonsense in this thread from what i have read. I think his location name made that quite clear the other day. Should have been a straight ban in my opinion.
No need to wave the Red Card, we can make our own calls on bannings. Just keep the discussion civil.
Something doesn't add up there. How did the 17 soldiers die? I thought they were well trained soldiers yet they've managed to not kill a single terrorist and lose 17 of their own while killing 83 innocents?
Hospital in Gaza hit now, 4 confirmed dead, 30 wounded - most of which were hospital staff.
It really saddens me that this day in age, Israel can massacre Palestinian civilians, women and children and all of the world's leaders can turn a blind eye to it.
Yes they do, my earlier point is that if Israel was for example, a Roman Catholic state then the world wouldn't give two shits.
It really saddens me that Hamas deliberately fire these rockets from said locations, knowing full well women and children are going to get caught up in it.
Unfortunately the world turns a blind eye to this type of thing in many other countries too.
Exactly which is why the hypocrisy of singling out Israel is laughable...
Not necessarily. The cowards who fire said rockets flee as the IDF warns the local populace that a strike is inbound. Very ironic
A hospital was just hit killing 5 people and wounding scores others. They received no warning. IDF are just as cowardly as Hamas are.
How do you know they didn't receive a warning? Were you witness to said events?
But you're making the IDF sound like they're only capable of thinking with their primitive lizard brains, whereas Hamas are like calculated and cunning foxes.
The burden of intelligent action should be with the more powerful army, which is supposedly controlled by the mature and thoughtful democracy. The sort of reactive, revenge attacks that are being committed by Israel are more akin to the actions of a fighting force being ordered by a warlord.