And would you be willing to accept that if no other agency is backing it up?.
Nah,Nevermind, I see you are being a total hypocrite here. No point arguing about the numbers.
Israeli - Palestinian Conflict
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And would you be willing to accept that if no other agency is backing it up?.
Nah,Nevermind, I see you are being a total hypocrite here. No point arguing about the numbers.
I don't see this conflict between Palestine and Israel ending any time soon. I've read that any territory that comes under Islamic rule cannot be de-Islamized. Regardless of whether it has been occupied by non muslims it remains perpetually Islamic. I can't imagine Zionists backing down either. It's horrible how innocent people of all ages are being killed but the region will only get worse imo. I'm hoping to hear of a ceasefire in the coming days.
Shocking stuff. Both the "reporter" manipulation of little kids and some of the kids answers that reflect the poor education they get. There is no question that Israeli society is littered with racist scum.
Sorry, let me just ask a few questions, to ensure we are talking about the same war.....
This is the war that all in all lasted about 10 years from start to finish? That required UN peacekeepers and NATO bombers to eventually stop? The one with mass ethnic cleansing and massacre after massacre, between a people who had lived with each other for a long long time (as opposed to this conflict where the Palestinians feel the people they're fighting are a colonising force).
I'm scanning, not sure I can see the UN peacekeepers or the NATO bombers flying in that direction yet. We'll have to keep a look out I guess.
That is the conflict you're choosing to use as the model for what the Palestinians should follow?
At least you've admitted that the Palestinians have had some suffering and land loss though or indeed, some unjust event at all, an improvement on many of your past comments on this thread on the Palestinians.
From what I can see, there seems to be a bit less dehumanisation than usual of the Palestinians this time round, always good to see.
Very disturbing, not for the faint-hearted.
http://activist1.wordpress.com/2014...ent-plea-from-dr-mads-gilbert-shifa-hospital/
http://activist1.wordpress.com/2014...ent-plea-from-dr-mads-gilbert-shifa-hospital/
Ffs, Hamas have apparently captured an Israeli soldier (the IDF are saying they haven't and he is one of the 13 that was killed).
This is only going to get worse if true.
This is only going to get worse if true.
If the IDF went ahead and actually denied it, I doubt it's true.
I'm sure they will prove they have him if they actually do. But yeah, that would be the end of any hopes for a de escalation.
Fecking hell.
Bill Maher lost a lot of respect with his recent comments.
This was Frankie Boyle's response to Maher.
Weird tweet.
In fairness Hamas' leaders are a disgrace. Most of them are sat in Qatar living the high life 'directing' from the back while hundreds or even thousands of Gazans die in order to move the Hamas drinks cabinet 6 inches closer to Jerusalem.
Hamas' terms for a ceasefire suggest this will not end anytime soon.
http://www.albawaba.com/news/abbas-meshaal-meet-gaza-truce--591421
They are meeting in Qatar, on Sunday, for a discussion.
Not that it is urgent or anything.
It's Ramadan. Things go slowly in the middle east during this time.
What exactly is unreasonable in there?
lies, israel never targets civilians..only barbaric palestinians do.
how dare they demand more access to the sea for fishing!
100 (or so) have died today. 83 Palestinian civilians, 17 Israeli soldiers. Regardless if they're targeting them or not, they've still killed 83 innocent lives.
No palestinian civilian has died, all the dead including woman and children were enemy combatants trying to invade israel.
Brilliant. So you still managed to found someone else to blame in this. Always the victim.So, if 1/3(a guess) are children, a lot of them under the age of 12 , they're not civilians?
Not civilians, they've probably concealed a pistol or grenades.
So, there's no civilians in Gaza, they're all combatants?
is that the reason for this new spate of violence..or are there other reasons as well?
He's being Sarcastic mate. But I guess holyland red would probably answer yes to your question.
Went completely over my head. Regardless of sides, it's got to be stopped. Life should be the most important thing here, and both sides are more concerned with limiting the other.
The fact that they won't get it. When you don't have the power you don't get to set the terms.
No. The kids must die. Some people can't spending an hour of their precious day in a "safe" room which automatically means we need to bomb beaches because there is a hammas weapon supply under the beach.
Also, it's not the Israeli's fault one of the best armies in the world has a less than 30 percent accuracy when killing terrorists.
What are you talking about???...The numbers are completely skewed up. No civilian has died and the UNHRW has an agenda against Israel for some reason and that's why they keep reporting civilian deaths.
I can see here on this forum that Hitler died but the hate still alive.
What the feck are you talking about?
Its oretty much the same terms as the last ceasefire
The Israelis seem intent on crippling Hamas this time, so I doubt it will work.
There appears to be a saracasm contest here for some reason. Check out the following to appreciate why Israel can not consider the role of the UN here as totally impartial. There are countless examples of bias, but since minds are already made up I'll post the bottom line:
Ban Ki-moon Admits United Nations Anti-Israel Bias
August 17, 2013 3:30 pm 1 comment
Ban Ki-moon, Secretary-General of the United Nations. Photo: WEF.
JNS.org - In a rare admission, United Nations Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon said on Friday that there is U.N. bias against Israel.
Speaking to university students at the U.N. Headquarters in Jerusalem, Ban stated that Israel, as a U.N. member, should get the same treatment as other nations. “Unfortunately, because of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, Israel has been weighed down by criticism and suffered from bias and sometimes even discrimination,” he said.
http://www.algemeiner.com/2013/08/17/ban-ki-moon-admits-united-nations-anti-israel-bias/
Old-fashioned antisemitism is just one of the reasons leading to these hate campaigns.
It is by far the largest reason. Of course any valid criticisms of Israel and it's own policies are fine as long as you can back them up with facts and figures.
Physically or verbally attacking Jewish institutions, such as synagogues or cemeteries (e.g. in Paris), as a means of protesting against Israel pretty much is.
Another thing that irks me personally is the rank hypocrisy of people being so quick to jump on the anti-Israel bandwagon when there are atrocities going on in places close to Israel, like the Sudan and Syria..... One thing I'm fairly certain about through my own experiences on this subject is that if Israel wasn't a "Jewish" state would anyone give a feck like they do now? Probably not...
No. By far the largest reason is people opposing Zionism. Which is an entirely valid line of thinking if you're honest with yourself.
How would you define Zionism then TwoSheds? Imo, the line between Zionism and Judaism is extremely blurred just as the line of anti-semitism and anti-zionism is blurred.