Are you sure? I remember reading several articles stating that it blocked most missiles and mortar shells (although they could be shady websites for all I remember).
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Are you sure? I remember reading several articles stating that it blocked most missiles and mortar shells (although they could be shady websites for all I remember).
Again, please detail your alternative military ideas.
Why do I have to proffer an alternative? I have absolutely no idea what the correct solution is because I'm just an anonymous keyboard warrior. However, it's pretty obvious to everyone except the parties involved that the current strategy is just about the worst of all possible methods and will only cause more and more destabilisation and ill will over time. Unless the Palestinians are wiped from the face of the earth of course
Why do I have to proffer an alternative? I have absolutely no idea what the correct solution is because I'm just an anonymous keyboard warrior. However, it's pretty obvious to everyone except the parties involved that the current strategy is just about the worst of all possible methods and will only cause more and more destabilisation and ill will over time. Unless the Palestinians are wiped from the face of the earth of course
So you're happy to criticize the current situation but duck coming up with a viable alternative. Well played.
UNRWA investigating discovery of 20 rockets found in empty Gaza school
UN agency for Palestinian refugees condemns 'first of its kind' incident, adding missiles removed and relative parties informed
http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ting-20-rockets-empty-gaza-school-palestinian
UN agency for Palestinian refugees condemns 'first of its kind' incident, adding missiles removed and relative parties informed
http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ting-20-rockets-empty-gaza-school-palestinian
Well I could have just as easily said Stasi. Or the KGB. Or the Politburo. It's the general principal rather than the Nazi idea I was getting at and it was just pot luck that it came out as Gestapo. And are you really going to try and argue with me that there is no ghettoisation in Gaza? It wouldn't be hard to find similar pics of the Warsaw Ghetto and the West Bank with a 2 minute google search.
As for the carpet bombing comment, of course it's not ACTUALLY carpet bombing, shame on me for using a little hyperbole in a discussion
I don't think using hyperboles (not even little ones) is much of a help in the current discussion.
Tad harsh that. Thinking that a situation isn't handled well doesn't necessarily entail knowing the potential answer.
Its always helpful to come up with tangible solutions in these threads, rather than just stick ones beak in to blame one side of the other.
Understandable.
Well I could have just as easily said Stasi. Or the KGB. Or the Politburo. It's the general principal rather than the Nazi idea I was getting at and it was just pot luck that it came out as Gestapo. And are you really going to try and argue with me that there is no ghettoisation in Gaza? It wouldn't be hard to find similar pics of the Warsaw Ghetto and the West Bank with a 2 minute google search.
As for the carpet bombing comment, of course it's not ACTUALLY carpet bombing, shame on me for using a little hyperbole in a discussion
I hope that's ignorance alone explaining your post.
A well-known Israeli politician and parliament member has branded Palestinians as terrorists, saying mothers of all Palestinians should also be killed during the ongoing Israeli assault on the besieged Gaza Strip, Daily Sabahreported.
Ayelet Shaked of the ultra-nationalist Jewish Home party called for the slaughter of Palestinian mothers who give birth to "little snakes."
"They have to die and their houses should be demolished so that they cannot bear any more terrorists," Shaked said, adding, "They are all our enemies and their blood should be on our hands. This also applies to the mothers of the dead terrorists.”
The remarks are considered as a call for genocide as she declared that all Palestinians are Israel's enemies and must be killed.
On Monday (July 7) Shaked quoted this on her Facebook page:
Ayelet Shaked of the ultra-nationalist Jewish Home party called for the slaughter of Palestinian mothers who give birth to "little snakes."
"They have to die and their houses should be demolished so that they cannot bear any more terrorists," Shaked said, adding, "They are all our enemies and their blood should be on our hands. This also applies to the mothers of the dead terrorists.”
The remarks are considered as a call for genocide as she declared that all Palestinians are Israel's enemies and must be killed.
On Monday (July 7) Shaked quoted this on her Facebook page:
"Behind every terrorist stand dozens of men and women, without whom he could not engage in terrorism. They are all enemy combatants, and their blood shall be on all their heads. Now this also includes the mothers of the martyrs, who send them to hell with flowers and kisses. They should follow their sons, nothing would be more just. They should go, as should the physical homes in which they raised the snakes. Otherwise, more little snakes will be raised there
Off to vomit.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/07/16/371556/israel-must-kill-all-palestinian-mothers/
Don't complain about the Nazi comparisons.
Off to vomit.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/07/16/371556/israel-must-kill-all-palestinian-mothers/
Don't complain about the Nazi comparisons.
Gaza is the most densely populated area in the world. Where do you expect them to go? Media hotels? They've been bombed. Hospitals? Bombed also. How about UNRWA buildings? Well, I won't tell you what has happened there...
Just face it, the actions of Israel and the IOF have been morally repugnant, and the longer this goes on, the worse it will be for all sides in the conflict.
Parents celebrate children's death Creating a supportive social environment for terrorists has been a critical factor in the Palestinian Authority's successful promotion of suicide terrorism. To this end, PA policy has been to honor terrorists as Shahids (Martyrs for Allah), and to teach Palestinian mothers to celebrate when their children die as terrorist Shahids. Categorizing these dead terrorists as Shahids grants them the highest honor a Muslim can achieve, and is therefore cause for a mother to celebrate, according to this PA teaching.
An example of that happiness and celebration can be seen in Um Nidal, mother of a suicide terrorist:
Um Nidal is filmed with her son, Muhammad, who is armed and ready to carry out a terror attack: "By Allah, today is the best day of my life. I feel that our Lord is pleased with me, because I am offering something [my son] for Him. I wish to sacrifice more [sons] for Allah's forgiveness, and for the flag [of Islam], 'There is no god but Allah', to fly over Palestine.... It's true that there's nothing more precious than children, but for the sake of Allah – what is precious becomes cheap." Click to view video on website
http://palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=479
An example of that happiness and celebration can be seen in Um Nidal, mother of a suicide terrorist:
Um Nidal is filmed with her son, Muhammad, who is armed and ready to carry out a terror attack: "By Allah, today is the best day of my life. I feel that our Lord is pleased with me, because I am offering something [my son] for Him. I wish to sacrifice more [sons] for Allah's forgiveness, and for the flag [of Islam], 'There is no god but Allah', to fly over Palestine.... It's true that there's nothing more precious than children, but for the sake of Allah – what is precious becomes cheap." Click to view video on website
http://palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=479
But I will:
UNRWA finds rockets in one of its Gaza schools
UN agency investigating incident it condemned as 'flagrant violation' of international law; rockets removed from school.
AFP
Published: 07.17.14, 18:37 / Israel News
JERUSALEM - The UN agency for Palestinian refugees UNRWA said Thursday it was investigating after finding 20 rockets hidden in one of its vacant schools in the Gaza Strip.
It condemned the incident as a "flagrant violation" of international law and said the rockets had been removed and the "relative parties" informed.
"Yesterday, in the course of the regular inspection of its premises, UNRWA discovered approximately 20 rockets hidden in a vacant school in the Gaza Strip," the agency said in a statement.
"UNRWA strongly condemns the group or groups responsible for placing the weapons in one of its installations," it continued.
"This is a flagrant violation of the inviolability of its premises under international law."
It said the incident was the first of its kind, warning that it "endangered civilians including staff and put at risk UNRWA's vital mission."
The statement said UNRWA "informed the relevant parties and successfully took all necessary measures for the removal of the objects."
"UNRWA has launched a comprehensive investigation."
Israel regularly accuses Hamas and other Gaza militants of using civilian installations to store and launch rockets, including during the current conflict that began on July 8.
Gaza militants have fired hundreds of rockets since the latest violence began, with Israel launching punishing air strikes that have killed 221 people and forced thousands to flee.
Around 22,000 people who have fled their homes have taken refuge in UNRWA schools, but the one where the rockets were found was not being used.
More rockets fired towards the Tel Aviv area tonight. Despite the BBC report this morning, there doesn't seem to be a sign this is about to end.
Not sure what you are trying to prove HR. That mother would probably say that her son is a freedom-fighter and not a terrorist. An elected member of any civilized democracy should not be calling for genocide of any kind like the comments above portray.
How about the ICRC ambulances heading to Al-Wafa Hospital, which are both coincidentally, getting shelled right this very moment?
I missed the call for genocide part.
I hear some heavy shelling started this evening. Potentially ahead of a ground invasion? The tunnel incident this morning may have convinced decision makers that a ground operation is necessary to remove the tunnel threat. Wouldn't surprise me if we went in for a couple of weeks to search for tunnels within 1-2 miles of the fence.
Seems like a limited ground invasion has begun, for now in order to handle the tunnels.
Just heard the ground war is starting.
Another 3 children killed in air strike.
Egyptian Official: Hamas to Blame for Gaza Destruction
Former Egyptian Foreign Minister Nabil Al-Araby said Thursday that Hamas was not serious about a cease-fire – and that the terror group was deliberately trying to embarrass Egypt. Speaking in an interview in an Egyptian newspaper, Al-Araby blamed Hamas for not only failing to come to a cease-fire, but for “shedding the blood of innocent Palestinians” by continuing to attack Israel.
“Hamas does not want Egypt to fulfill its obligations as a negotiator between the two sides,” Al-Araby said. “They do this at the cost of the blood of innocent Palestinians” who are caught up in the Israeli response to the rocket attacks.
Former Egyptian Foreign Minister Nabil Al-Araby said Thursday that Hamas was not serious about a cease-fire – and that the terror group was deliberately trying to embarrass Egypt. Speaking in an interview in an Egyptian newspaper, Al-Araby blamed Hamas for not only failing to come to a cease-fire, but for “shedding the blood of innocent Palestinians” by continuing to attack Israel.
“Hamas does not want Egypt to fulfill its obligations as a negotiator between the two sides,” Al-Araby said. “They do this at the cost of the blood of innocent Palestinians” who are caught up in the Israeli response to the rocket attacks.
Feeding Piegons on the roof of their house. Israel will claim they were terrorist Piegons
Objective of the ground war? How badly will Hamas be hit? Won't it leave a vacuum that can be filled by a more extreme group?
Troublingly, Hamas don't seem to have a coherent strategy other than trying to lure the Israelis into airstrikes and a ground invasion and using any subsequent international sympathy towards the Palestinian cause as a device to pressure Israel into changing policy. Unrealistic, half thought out stuff.
I doubt the IDF will go further than necessary to take care of the tunnels under the border, although you never know ho things could escalate whenthese ground invasions start. If soldiers are captured by Hamas this could end up with a full-scale invasion.
I couldn't care less how many Hamas members are killed, just stop the civilians deaths ffs.
Unfortunately its the civilians who will be killed the most.
What would a more extreme group than Hamas look like?
ISIS like
I hope that all of the Israeli soldiers who have targeted civilians all die a humiliating death. Thats most of them I guess.
Impossible when Hamas hides among its civilian population, unfortunately.
That's what all terrorists/revolutionaries/freedom fighters do, because usually the moral compass of the opposition won't all them to kill innocents.
I'd hate to be a hostage in a bank heist if HR was the negotiator. He'd probably tell the SWAT team to bomb the whole fecking bank and then blame the robbers for getting me killed.
Gaza is one of the most densely packed cities in the world, what do you expect Hamas to do - conveniently congregate on Gaza beach to make it easier for the IDF to distinguish them from civilians? Why not just light up flares and hold up giant placards saying "Hamas over here guys, come and get it!".
And when they use that 'shelter' to fire rockets at Israel they don't leave us any choice but to respond. If they cared for their people, maybe they would have chosen different methods, ones that put them in greater risk but lower the danger to the innocent? No, of course not.
That's basically none of them since its not their policy to target civilians. Conversely, how does your logic apply to Hamas, who seem to be deliberately inviting Israeli retaliation, thereby tacitly encouraging large amounts of Palestinian deaths?
True. Really tragic when the opposition has no alternative to full-scale retaliation because it's mere existence is at stake.