When will you stop playing the victim card ? The victims here are palestinians not you.
Israeli - Palestinian Conflict
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When will you stop playing the victim card ? The victims here are palestinians not you.
I believe that direct negotiations between Israel and Jordan be undertaken to return the status quo of the West Bank and East Jerusalem to that which existed at 5 June 1967 - as far as is now possible given the lapse of 44 years and the events that have since occurred - and that sovereignty of the West Bank be allocated between Israel and Jordan accordingly.
Jordan occupied the West Bank and East Jerusalem between 1948-1967 and the world did not fall in.
The attempt to create a new Arab state between Israel and Jordan - where none ever existed in recorded history - has failed after 17 years of abysmal efforts to achieve that solution.
Jordan will not readily agree to such negotiations. There will need to be international pressure to bring Jordan to the negotiating table.
The Hashemite regime has done more for the Palestinian Arabs than any other Arab politician or Arab state having secured 78% of Palestine as an exclusively Arab state. Furthermore, around 80% of Jordanians, by pure default and by their own admission, are already Palestinian.
Offering it the opportunity of acquiring another 3-4% should not be missed.
Also my hope is one country where everybody lives together because the two states solutions is impossible if Israel doesn't go back to 67 borders. But your hopes, and those of Likoud electors (who are racists and hate goyims) are erradicating all of the palestinian terrorists. Where is the hate ? Certainly not in me.
I said it before and I'll say it again Likoud would be only comparable to Neo Nazi parties in Europe, that's how much racist and insane they are.
I said it before and I'll say it again Likoud would be only comparable to Neo Nazi parties in Europe, that's how much racist and insane they are.
The hashemites are collaborators that's precisely why you love them so much, and an other reason to criticize that regime.
There are no '67 borders'. They are armistice lines resulting from yet another foiled Arab invasion.
2006.
We don't play anything. We keep going on developing our country. Started from scrath 60-odd years ago practically rising from the ashes. Assimilating holocaust survivors and 900,000 Jewish refugees expelled from Arab and Muslim countries, we have created a ME paradise in which people enjoy civil rights unhead of within a radius of 1000's of miles. We are a vibrant democracy, a member of the OECD and our scientists and engineers are on par with the best in the world.
Meanwhile, the Palestinians have done awfully in being led by hate and being used by their Arab "brothers" as a tool in the Israeli-Arab conflict. Thus, having similar starting hands, they are still in the gutter being the only "refugees" in the world from 1940's conflicts, and there have been a few of those as you may know.
The Palestinians are indeed victims, but victims to their own habit of making the wrong choices. And victims of their poisonous blinding hate.
How quickly things change.
Israel just struck a mosque : 15 deaths. Where is the hate ? Fecking pigs.
AIDS, cancer, pigs, Nazis...who was the unfortunate poster who got a bollocking for calling somebody an idiot?
We're being lenient with Hellboy because we know his heart is in the right place.
Two major Palestinian West Bank cities hit by rockets fired from Gaza
One rocket hits Hamas-controlled Hebron, two rockets hit Bethlehem, and Israeli Gush Etzion, IDF confirms.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4542242,00.html
One rocket hits Hamas-controlled Hebron, two rockets hit Bethlehem, and Israeli Gush Etzion, IDF confirms.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4542242,00.html
I would do the exact same if they were arabs. Killing 15 innocent men in a mosque, what kind of men are this ? But then again, you built a shrine for a terrorist who killed 29 people while praying, that speaks volume about your mentality.
Well, I wouldn't want to get in the way of Arab progress in medicine and zoology either, but the Nazis comment made me feel like skipping shower tonight.
Happens regularly in Iraq and Syria.
Really? Is that so? Are the Palestinians Nazis for blowing up hundreds of innocent civilians in buses and restaurants, or has the security barrier de-Nazied them?
Would that happen if they were not terrorized at the first place ? No.
Even the allies were "blowing up hundreds of innocent civilians" during the war.
Doesn't it strike you as funny that, despite the Palestinians killing Israels in terrorist attacks and the Israelis killing Palestinians with precision bombing, children make up a larger portion of Palestinian casualties than Israeli? I guess your military isn't as effective as you think.
They are to blame equally. You can go back to the ISIS thread where I called them terrorists, because that's what they are.
Israel was established using terrorist tactics in many incidents. So there is no real high moral ground for any side.
For me its a huge part of the problem. When the victors in the past used terrorism and then elected terrorists to high office it shows the losers that terrorist tactics work.
Still much more effective than any other military in the history of warfare. You are aware that Gaza is one of the most densely-populated areas in the world, and rockets are being launched from its streets, mosques and schools while you're typing your observations from the comfort of your living room. How would you expect your country to respond to a barrage of rockets aimed at killing civilians?
Again, I'm not going to apologize for Iron Dome. In fact, I'm absolutely delighted it has been developed...here! (although, as always, we have to thank the Yanks for chipping in
).Well, how about the 1929 Hebron massacre then? What did the Jews do to deserve that one?
Well, we are in war now too. Your point being?
Still much more effective than any other military in the history of warfare. You are aware that Gaza is one of the most densely-populated areas in the world, and rockets are being launched from its streets, mosques and schools while you're typing your observations from the comfort of your living room. How would you expect your country to respond to a barrage of rockets aimed at killing civilians?
Again, I'm not going to apologize for Iron Dome. In fact, I'm absolutely delighted it has been developed...here! (although, as always, we have to thank the Yanks for chipping in
I guess that proves just how militaristic you have become, when a throw-away comment about the effectiveness of it results in a self-masturbatory military rant.
It's funny that you bring up the missile shield, though, as if that somehow excuses the vastly disproportionate casualties between Israel and Palestinians. So let's look at the numbers of civilians killed in the decade before the Iron Dome was brought up.
Israeli civilians killed by Palestinian terrorists intentionally targeting civilians: 1043
Palestinian civilians killed by the most effective military in the history of warfare: 6281
Not sure I'd want the roles reversed to be honest. I'm thankful that Israel is powerful. Shame that our enemies hide behind and among their civilians, but I would expect my government to do anything it can to protect me and my family no matter what. Would be nice if the Palestinian leadership took example.
And militarist or not, unlike you there in Norway, I find none of this funny at all.
And militarist or not, unlike you there in Norway, I find none of this funny at all.
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Just reading this thread in light of the recent escalations. Pretty surprised by this propaganda, and won't comment further bearing in mind the rules of the forum.
Not sure how my reply got merged with the original post.
Who is "you"? You're talking as if all Israelis did that. Just a few nutcases. Too be more, more than a few. But still a minority.
I meant holyland red and the people who have the same ideas not you.
Did I merely imagine the Yugoslav wars?
How does a people have a historical right to a land? Especially when another people (neither the people who drove the Jews out in the first place nor the ones who'd spent the past few hundred years killing them culminating in the Holocaust) have been living there for hundreds of years at the least?
Except he didn't though did he? Did you actually watch his words properly? Or read my reply? It isn't a Hamas policy, the people do it themselves.
Not sure, perhaps you could tell me? Perhaps his whole family are actually Egyptian, as are all Gazans. Indeed, all the Palestinians/ Arabs/ subhumans in the West Bank are not 'Palestinian' either. They are descended from Jordanians, Syrians and Saudis. Truly, the land was a land without a people. In fact, those subhumans moved into this empty land only in the early 1900s to spite the Jews and ensure that they could not make a national homeland I'm sure.
Could you elaborate on why Jews who had been living in Europe for hundreds of years are in fact now Israeli? Or why a Jew in Brooklyn has more right to that land than someone who's family has been living there for centuries?
I think this is my major problem when discussing this issue with you. Inevitably, at some point, this prejudice comes out. The air quotes come out, the doubt placed on the very notion of a Palestinian people. I've already said this to you before I believe. You can call them whatever. Palestinians, Arabs, terrorists, subhumans, snakes, maggots, whatever. Won't change the fact that they are there and have been for a while.
For your own peace of mind btw, I've heard both Egyptians and Gazans speak Arabic. Most of them don't have the same accent.
I don't understand comments that say "oh well the same is happening in Iraq and Syria" as if that were to justify the current turn of events.
Its not meant to justify it. Its merely an indicator that this sort of thing isn't uncommon in middle eastern conflict zones. Nor do most of the folks who criticize Israel for something like this, extend the same criticism to those doing the same thing in Iraq and Syria.
That's because much of the violence happening in Iraq and Syria are being instigated by universally-regarded 'terror' groups who garner support from no sane person. The outrage with this crisis stems from the fact its happening from an allegedly civilized nation who are getting a free pass from her 'civilised' allies.
Hamas and Hezbollah are also quite high on the terror group charts among the US, EU, and even Egypt. Also, much of the violence in Syria is state sponsored (chemical weapons and barrel bombs anyone ?). The main point being that outrage regarding mosques getting hit shouldn't be limited to Gaza. It happens in many places where violence is ongoing.