Israeli - Palestinian Conflict

Its the only realistic situation. If America for one wanted, then Israel will be forced to compromise. As long as they hold that advantage, then they are not interested in peace talks. Why give away anything when you can have it all? Look at the attitude of the Israelites here. Calling Palestines beasts or comparing the war and loss of human life to a FA cup match.

Fearless is not an Israeli. The only two Israelis posting regularly on here support a two-stet solution, but guess what...it seems that a growing number of resident Arabs do not...they want the whole cake. A one-state solution they call it, basically proposing that Israel ceases to exist.
 
Hamas are freedom fighters, and responded to air strikes. The real terrorists are the Israelis and you know it.

Not in this case, I'm afraid. I accepted your previous criticism a few days ago and our treatment of Abbas is silly, but this is a different situation. With Hamas there has been the odd rocket here and there for a long time - with pretty little response - but they've turned it into a far larger scare once Israel started its operation to return the three guys kidnapped.
 
Poor Amir. For all his recent efforts he's still tarred with the same brush as the rest of us. Some will never learn.

Nah, there is a huge gap between Fearless who borders on genocidal, you who are merely aggressive and Amir who's conciliatory. :)

I thought his analogy was fine, especially since he clarified what he meant
 
Nah, there is a huge gap between Fearless who borders on genocidal, you who are merely aggressive and Amir who's conciliatory. :)

I thought his analogy was fine, especially since he clarified what he meant

Fearless = Lieberman, Holyland = Netenyahu, Amir = Peres
 
Fearless is not an Israeli. The only two Israelis posting regularly on here support a two-stet solution, but guess what...it seems that a growing number of resident Arabs do not...they want the whole cake. A one-state solution they call it, basically proposing that Israel ceases to exist.

I really dont care if he is a Israeli or what solution they want. He is an idiot or just posts like one.
 
If the response was proportionate I dont think they will, am from Pakistan and our army is finally conducting an operation against the taliban in our border. Almost the whole country is behind the army.

When the americans were attacking with their drones, it was the opposite and the loss of the innocent lives wasnt making it worth it.

 
Ofcourse you guys are. Because you dont see palestines as humans, its like oh the children probably deserve it for being born to Hamas parents.

My point with that example was that if the response is not proportionate to the crime, people will turn against the aggressor. And you expect Hamas not to response? Seriously, every parent you guys kill/every home you ruin just encourages more kids to take up arms against you. As you said, those rockets arent doing any harm anyway and the loss of palestine life doesnt make up for it.
150000 people died in Syria... did you care?
 
If those rockets aren't actually killing that many Jews (you said it was 0 Israeli casualties), what's the point of firing them? Who are those rockets aimed at?

They can certainly kill. The only reason they don't is Iron Dome is well capable of intercepting most rockets that are heading for populated areas. Also, people in shelters and safe rooms are also likely to be fine even when those things do hit. It's taking measurements that's saved lives.

Obviously the world wouldn't give a rats ass about that - but one thing the rockets do regardless is disrupt lives. Heavily. Just think, living for years and years with sirens on a regular basis and those things falling down. But hey, those people rarely die so it's not big deal...

Hamas could quite easily save lives in Gaza. Don't fire at Israel, we won't strike back. It's quite simply. But hey, they are freedom fighters, so it's OK that they fire - we must have started it - and it's OK they don't give a damn about their people because they know what's coming...
 
Israel is surrounded by hostile countries and sometimes it's aggressiveness is understandable but their leader is an absolute clown. I remember when he stood in front of the U.N and held a time bomb diagram looking really stupid, he was begging western countries to attack Iran for him.
 
Fearless is not an Israeli. The only two Israelis posting regularly on here support a two-stet solution, but guess what...it seems that a growing number of resident Arabs do not...they want the whole cake. A one-state solution they call it, basically proposing that Israel ceases to exist.

It's Israel that is making it come about. They are the best supporters of it by far.
 
America for one like I said before if they wanted to.

Any situation is going to be hard to achieve, why do you think the issue has been going on for forty plus years if it could be resolved over an internet forum? The solution is simple, Israel has all the advantage and will use it. To stop them you need someone neutral, am suggesting something akin to a UN with real powers.

If you cant have a physical threat, impose a total embargo on them. No flights, no trade, no contact with the rest of the world(as much as its possible to block it) until they comply.

Why they should? They (Muslims) killed thousands of people in 2001 plus they kept attacking american citizens over the years, why they should?
 
They can certainly kill. The only reason they don't is Iron Dome is well capable of intercepting most rockets that are heading for populated areas. Also, people in shelters and safe rooms are also likely to be fine even when those things do hit. It's taking measurements that's saved lives.

Obviously the world wouldn't give a rats ass about that - but one thing the rockets do regardless is disrupt lives. Heavily. Just think, living for years and years with sirens on a regular basis and those things falling down. But hey, those people rarely die so it's not big deal...

Hamas could quite easily save lives in Gaza. Don't fire at Israel, we won't strike back. It's quite simply. But hey, they are freedom fighters, so it's OK that they fire - we must have started it - and it's OK they don't give a damn about their people because they know what's coming...

I fully understand your view and support Israel's response.

I was only wondering if Hellboy would actually be able to comprehend to point I am trying to make and provide some sort of coherent argument as to what the purpose of the rockets is and who are they aimed at.
 
Nah, there is a huge gap between Fearless who borders on genocidal, you who are merely aggressive and Amir who's conciliatory. :)

I thought his analogy was fine, especially since he clarified what he meant


In response to Raoul's earlier post, here's what I proposed as an outline for an agreement 7 years, and many hundreds of casualties, ago:

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/israel-launches-air-strikes-on-gaza.156149/page-5#post-3316196

This is the face of what is called here "Israeli aggression".
 
Yes. The conditions would be:
1. Both sides will acknowledge each other's right for self determination in their own nation-state.
2. Palestine would be completely demilitarised (other than for policing purposes).
3. Israel joining NATO.
4. Palestinian border crossings will be monitored by NATO (non Israeli) personnel during a transitional period to be agreed upon be both sides.
5. Territory exchange, in which Israel will keep (relatively) heavily populated areas captured in 1967, and in exchange will hand to Palestine areas it had held before 1967 which are populated by Arabs.
6.Jerusalem- UN soverignty in Jerusalem old city, with equal rights to all three major religions in the city. That includes the right to pray on the Temple Mount, which is reserved to muslims only even under the Israeli opressive occupation. It would also include any development in the old city to be approved by scientists and religious authorities of all parties in order to prevent rewriting history by destroying evidence for Jewish history on the mountain (as muslims have tried to do recently).

Thats a pretty good solution actually. Only problem is with Palestine demilitarising and Israel not doing the same.

Well you aren't obliged to respond at all. Just walk away if you're losing your cool.

Am not losing my cool, thats the only response those statements deserve. The do not reproduce part I admit was harsh, calling him an idiot or his statement idiotic not so much.
 
Can't expect us to do that in the area where we live.

I understand that but for that solution to work you would have to make some concessions as otherwise they would never agree to demilitarize. Will be beyond stupid as well. But maybe work a deal where the arabs around you do the same as well.
 
It's Israel that is making it come about. They are the best supporters of it by far.

Wrong. Israel is left with little alternative other than keep control of the entire WB. Could you imagine what Israel would have to endure if Hamas controlled the WB too?
 
In response to Raoul's earlier post, here's what I proposed as an outline for an agreement 7 years, and many hundreds of casualties, ago:

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/israel-launches-air-strikes-on-gaza.156149/page-5#post-3316196

This is the face of what is called here "Israeli aggression".

I've been a lurker on here for years...

There are a lot of posts you used to post which surprised me...that one you linked, the death sentence for the killers (even I think that's going too far) but in general I'd say you are something like (quick googling) Tzipi Livni- inclined to the 2-state solution but supporting all Israeli military action.

EDIT: I also remember that a while ago you called Haaretz, the Guardian and the Independent left-wing rags or something similar...
 
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I've been a lurker on here for years...

There are a lot of posts you used to post which surprised me...that one you linked, the death sentence for the killers (even I think that's going too far) but in general I'd say you are something like (quick googling) Tzipi Livni- inclined to the 2-state solution but supporting all Israeli military action.

EDIT: I also remember that a while ago you called Haaretz, the Guardian and the Independent left-wing rags or something similar...

I never voted left of Likud. An agreement along the lines mentioned in the other post would win the support of the vast majority of Israelis. The only reason this may surprise you is that you may feed on biased media.

I support death sentence for hate-crime murderers, whether Arab or Jewish.

I don't share Livni's trust in Abbas.

Those three papers are extremely left-wing oriented, is that even debatable?
 
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Why they should? They (Muslims) killed thousands of people in 2001 plus they kept attacking american citizens over the years, why they should?

I thought you peaked with your ignorant and bigoted posts in the Trayvon Martin thread, but you've outdone yourself again. Bravo.

Won't hurt to turn off fox news and actually pick up a book once in a while too.
 
I never voted left of Likud. An agreement along the lined mentioned in the other post would win the support of the vast majority of Israelis. The only reason this may surprise you is that you may feed on biased media.

I support death sentence for hate-crime murderers, whether Arab or Jewish.

I don't share Livni's trust in Abbas.

Those three papers are extremely left-wing oriented, is that even debatable?

The Guardian and the Independent wouldn't be regarded as extremely left wing by commentators in the UK. Most would say they are slightly to the left or in the centre.
 
I understand that but for that solution to work you would have to make some concessions as otherwise they would never agree to demilitarize. Will be beyond stupid as well. But maybe work a deal where the arabs around you do the same as well.

That's the thing. Let's say a deal like that was possible right now. How could we do that with our borders with Syia and Lebanon with Hezbullah? And let's even say everything was fine and quiet, how do you know it will still be that way in a year's time? We've seen how volatile the arab countries can be.

We can dream of a military free zone, but it just can't be a reality for Israel for the forseeable future.