If they thought that then they should not have been showing photos of what they claimed were wmd in the Un and briefing Sadam could launch stuff in 20 mins... They were for want of any more accurate word, lies.
Israeli - Palestinian Conflict
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The Brits let the Irish starve too, when they weren't under war pressure.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/jun/03/sarah-colborne-gaza-account?CMP=share_btn_tw
There's a video which I can't embed, but watch it if you'd rather watch than read.
Ladies and gents, 'peace loving' Zionist Israel.
. If I'm not mistake all I can see are some Dennis the menace style slingshots, a few bottles of beach pebbles and knives/hammers. Jesus just wait until they get their hands on some musket's.Not sure how the Israeli state is going to stand up to such a well-equipped adversary armed with only $3bn of US military aid a year.
Don't forget pea shooters, catapults, whoopie cushions, and spitballs!
I hope Israel never raid my garden shed... they would think I was setting up for an attack
Oh and those firecrackers - the F in Fjar-5
In the Flotilla?
Lol - didn't notice any songs about killing Muslims and got nothing to do with the flotilla.
Poor comeback.
A non anti-semitic peace song...
by the Flotilla Choir
O Allah – make their children orphans
O Allah – widow their women
O Allah – grant Islam victory everywhere
O Allah - grant victory to our helpless brothers in Palestine
Allah Akbar – Allah is greater than your gods!
There is no god but Allah
And the Jew is the enemy of Allah
There is no god but Allah
And the martyr is loved by Allah
by the Flotilla Choir
O Allah – make their children orphans
O Allah – widow their women
O Allah – grant Islam victory everywhere
O Allah - grant victory to our helpless brothers in Palestine
Allah Akbar – Allah is greater than your gods!
There is no god but Allah
And the Jew is the enemy of Allah
There is no god but Allah
And the martyr is loved by Allah
Ahh the old Flotilla saga. What a trainwreck that was.
Shipwreck.
My apologies - I should have realised fireworks present a far bigger threat than dropping bombs on schools - consider me schooled sir - to think prior to this I though people like this chap were worth taking note of.
thankfully you prevented the fireworks being used... now its time to take out the Palestinian airforce
My apologies - I should have realised fireworks present a far bigger threat than dropping bombs on schools - consider me schooled sir - to think prior to this I though people like this chap were worth taking note of.
thankfully you prevented the fireworks being used... now its time to take out the Palestinian airforce
Your deviating again.
My apologies - I should have realised fireworks present a far bigger threat than dropping bombs on schools - consider me schooled sir - to think prior to this I though people like this chap were worth taking note of.
thankfully you prevented the fireworks being used... now its time to take out the Palestinian airforce
Deviating from what exactly - the Isreal - Palestine conflict thread?
Sorry my apologies all Palestinians are evil and need to exterminated in some almighty final solution type scenario - happy now?
Honestly - there is no point in us debating this so lets not bother....
byeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Hahaha I watched that video expecting to see some guns. fecking slingshots and sticks
Hahaha I watched that video expecting to see some guns. fecking slingshots and sticks
Well given it's been described as a humanitarian effort you should have been expecting to see a few acoustic guitars, not weapons of any sort.
Plus, the acoustic guitars could have provided a much need melodic backdrop to the humanitarian's vocals about killing Jews.
La la la.
Any updates on the Al-Yarmouk flotilla? There are thousands of starving Palestinians there and noone gives a shit. Not the Turks, not the Arabs, Muslim brothers or "human rights" activists. Not even British student unions. Judging by the other thread, not even the famous RedCafe human rights brigade.
In the UK, all Islamic societies in British universities (and a few in Ireland too) will have the annual Charity Week for Islamic Relief (also been collecting donations otherwise) which this year partnered up with the UNRWA to provide relief and emergency supplies to Yarmouk.
Talking out your arse again, as does @Fearless.
There's a lot of charities and human rights organisations, trying to get to the Yarmouk. The difficulty is, as you fully know, is that they are sandwiched between Bashar's dogs, and IS scum. They are in a horrible situation. And actually getting aid unscathed to them is the hardest part.
But this shouldn't detract from your vile, racist gov't who kill anyone that opposes them indiscriminately, who have broken UN convention after UN convention, who have pissed on the human rights of the Palestinian people. They have committed atrocities since their inception. The flotilla incident is just a snapshot of their indefensible actions.
Yeah, I know all about charities. Tons of those ship money to Hamas too. What about actual flotillas, to provide the starved and dying with aid and medical supplies? Any chance for a Syrian flotilla?
I agree regarding selective outrage somewhat. I would add though that just because people don't contribute to every cause/injustice in the world in the same manner or advocate for it as vociferously, doesn't mean they don't care for it. Unless they are apologists for certain atrocities it doesn't delegitimise their sincerity for the the ones that they do care about or are activists about. Whataboutery I believe is the term.
The Palestinian conflict no doubt receives a massive amount of charity attention, but there are others too. And direct action relief (maybe not flotillas) but certainly other forms, such as delivery of supplies, assisting the folks based there. Like we're seeing with Nepal. So, my point is that its bit of a stretch to say "no one gives a shit" which is what you said in your original post.
It boils down to this.
What you don't like is the fact that Israel exists in spite of the Arabs doing there best to eliminate it and failing every single time.
You rant on as much as you like about the Palestinians, but as far as me and my ilk are concerned, it's the biggest self-afflicted wound in the history of victimhood. And self afflicted it is - nobody wanted war more than the Arabs - even the Palestine ones wanted to erase Israel MORE than wanted there own state. And the psychosis continues through Hamas, who, blinded by defiance, just got Netanyahu elected by getting their own people killed.
Your an intelligent guy Uzz, but please don't convince yourself that it's just us yehudi that made this mess.
You can bet your house that the outpouring of sympathy/cash/knives would have be somewhat larger if it was Jews that were involved at Yarmouk.
Thats the point.
I've heard a lot of prominent Jewish voices, both Israeli and non-Israeli, who would dispute that, not the mention the historical record. The Palestinians didn't want a war in 1948, they didn't prepare for it and they certainly didn't start it. The Jewish community on the other hand put a lot of money into training and equipping a militia and then they used it to launched an unprovoked offensive. It's not the story the Israeli government wants told to young Jewish kids, but it's what happened. The idea that Arabs have always wanted to wipe out Israel is propaganda meant to justify the act of war which led to the establishment of Israel and justify the continued subjugation of Palestine by Israel today. In simply logistical terms, if the Arabs had been of one mind to destroy the Jewish community that existed in Palestine in 1948 they could have done so easily.
Similarly in 1967, the so-called existential threat which prompted Israel to conquer more Palestinian land was concocted after the fact to justify Israeli aggression. There are notes from a meeting on 2nd June 1967 in which an Israeli general tells the Israeli government that Egypt's advance on the border was simply bluff in order to dissuade Israeli aggression and that Israel should call that bluff and attack immediately because the Egyptian army was unsuspecting and hugely unprepared. The Israeli attack on June 5th wasn't a response to a threat, it was the seizing of an opportunity to conquer Gaza and the Sinai. Again, the Israeli Army and the government were well aware that the Syrian and Jordanian armies weren't a threat but their presence provided a pretext for them to conquer the West Bank and the Gulan Heights, killing ~15,000 Arabs in the process. After the 6 Day War the same general advised that now they had control, the Israelis should offer the Palestinians a state in the West Bank and Gaza because popular resistance to an occupation was inevitable and that Israeli aggression would cause resentment which would grow to undermine Israel's security in the long term - which is exactly what has happened.
Saying that Palestine's situation is a self-inflicted wound is disrespectful and a lie, plain and simple. The current situation is a result of a campaign of aggression by Israel spanning over half a century. They are still perpetuating the situation they created to this day, all whilst trying to keep up this futile pretense that they are in no way to blame. What's truly incredible is that even the war-mongers that pressed the government to go on the offensive in 1967 held more moderate opinions on this debate than the pro-Israel posters in this thread.
Are you actually suggesting that Egypt, Syria, Iraq, Saudi, Yemen (and volunteers from) Sudan, Pakistan, the Muslim Brotherhood acted in self-defense?
Are you insane?
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Fighting broke out as soon as the UN partition plan was announced and rejected by both sides in November 1947, and the Palestinian Arabs were full participants. Hard to blame the Jews for being better prepared for a war that both sides knew was coming. Neither side launched 'an unprovoked offensive', it was a war in which both sides were aiming for victory (the Jews to establish their state, the Arabs to prevent it). After what was a civil war within British mandatory Palestine from November 1947 to May 1948 became a wider Arab-Israeli war with Israel's declaration of independence and the invasion of the neighboring Arab armies, the Israelis took full advantage of the disunity and general inefficiency within Arab ranks to achieve most of their aims.
The official position of the Arab states was that they were acting in defense of the Palestinian Arabs in their effort to prevent the establishment of a Jewish state. In reality, each Arab state had an alternative agenda at least as important to them as helping the Palestinians. It's important to understand the rivalries among the Arab states at the time. There were two oppsoing blocs - the Hashimite bloc of Transjordan and Iraq, opposed by Egypt, Syria and Saudi Arabia.
King Abdullah of Jordan had already come to an understanding of sorts with the Zionists on future Jordanian control of the West Bank, while Egypt's involvement was largely aimed at preventing Abdullah's plans being realized. The Syrians were also scared that Abdullah would simply occupy the West Bank and then send his troops to take Damascus in order to achieve his long-held goal of ruling a 'Greater Syria'. The Iraqis occupied a few towns in the northern West Bank with the cooperation of the Jordanians and went no further. And the Lebanese occupied one village in the Galilee before quickly retreating back into Lebanon, having achieved their aim of having appeared to have done something for the Arab cause.
Obviously, "no one gives a shit" is an exaggeration and many people domfeel for suffering Palestinians. Equally obvious is that the flotilla debacle, like other "human rights" initiatives here are nothing more than political stunts which have nothing to do with food and medical supplies.
The double standards have nothing to do with the Palestinians. How many people campaigning for the Palestinians know how they're treated in Syria and Lebanon? Has anyone mentioned the Egyptian blockade of the GS. Any protests when a-Sisi erased 100's of houses in Rafah? Just a select few examples without even getting into other atrocities, of considerably higher death tolls, that do not draw mass protests and boycotts.
http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-news/1.659449
A lot of news about rising anti-semitism in Europe -- seemingly contradicted by this data.
Also, a good article on BDS: http://www.haaretz.com/news/diploma...32922&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Emailvision
A lot of news about rising anti-semitism in Europe -- seemingly contradicted by this data.
Also, a good article on BDS: http://www.haaretz.com/news/diploma...32922&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Emailvision
I assumed you meant the Arab Palestinians, rather than the Arab world at large, my apologies. Anyway, I was talking about the initial action of the war, which was Israeli militias attacking Palestinians and forcing them out of their homes. Those countries had their motives and they're not blameless, but that doesn't change the fact that the Israelis started the conflict in earnest when they sent a military force to attack Arab civilians.
Nice that you ignored the entire rest of the post though - although it's understandable given that there are Israeli government documents which contradict your position on who the real war-mongers were.
Fighting breaking out isn't the same as a war. There were skirmishes but the Palestinians didn't have military and weren't capable of fighting a war, never mind starting one. War was declared on the Palestinian people by an Israeli authority with an organised military. The intervention, motives and ineptitude of the various Arab armies aren't really relevant. I was just making an accurate point (again, as recorded in Israeli military documents) that it was the Israelis who trained a military force and deployed them to fulfill their ambitions to conquer territory, not the Palestinians.
Just so we're clear, when exactly (as in what date) are you claiming the 1948 war began?
The murder of Jewish civilians the day following the UN resolution on the partition plan was a skirmish then? So Jewish response was disproportionate even back then?
Sirens in Southern Israel again. Firecrackers launched from Gaza again. Boycott Israel.
Honestly, it's iffy. Haganah's activities are probably the most relevant, given that they were the pre-cursor to the IDF. They were bombing civilian houses well pre-dating November 30th whilst other Jewish paramilitaries were bombing marketplaces, transport hubs and workplaces throughout December. These are organized military groups trained by, and acting with the backing of the Jewish authorities using weapons given to them by the Russians to undertake attacks on citizens. There's never a comparable Palestinian organization during the conflict, the first time there's any kind of concerted military action from their side was in February 1948, when a cobbled together force of 500 men blockaded Jerusalem.
There were Arab civilians murdered too. I'm not surprised that you don't see the difference between attacks and reprisals carried out by sections of the populace and the deployment of an organised military force to bomb civilian houses and drive innocents out of their homes - the government you constantly defend doesn't seem to either.