Israeli - Palestinian Conflict

Care to elaborate ? I hope its more than simply getting money, weapons, and having officers training in the states.

I think you can buy most people if you give them money, weapons and training. As it is on top of all that you also shield them internationally, turn a blind eye to their butchery
 
I think you can buy most people if you give them money, weapons and training. As it is on top of all that you also shield them internationally, turn a blind eye to their butchery

The US gives weapons and support to a lot of countries, naturally most of them are friendly because of it, but that doesn't mean they automatically follow the US's prefered policy. The recent case of Al-Jazeera journalists being a good example.
 
Hamas leader's daughter treated in Israeli hospital
Daughter of Ismail Haniyeh was admitted to Tel Aviv hospital from Gaza after the two sides fought a bloody seven-week war over the coastal territory.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ers-daughter-treated-in-Israeli-hospital.html

...and she didn't get in through the tunnels too.

During kidnapping crisis, Abbas' wife secretly undergoes surgery in Israel

On day three boys kidnapped in West Bank, Amina Abbas admitted for leg surgery at Tel Aviv's Assouta Medical Center; to be released Sunday.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.598899

The closest the Palestinians got to national unity

Clearly propaganda, a hollow token gesture. Israeli doctors have no compassion, it's a cheap dig at Hamas for being rubbish and not actually giving a shit about the Palestinians after all.
 
Clearly propaganda, a hollow token gesture. Israeli doctors have no compassion, it's a cheap dig at Hamas for being rubbish and not actually giving a shit about the Palestinians after all.

I think you'll find all Doctors have compassion, they treat anyone you put in front of them.

These are no more than token gestures from Isreal, good for propaganda purposes.
 
Clearly propaganda, a hollow token gesture. Israeli doctors have no compassion, it's a cheap dig at Hamas for being rubbish and not actually giving a shit about the Palestinians after all.

Makes one wonder why Hamas and Fatah officials help Israeli propaganda...
 
I think you'll find all Doctors have compassion, they treat anyone you put in front of them.

These are no more than token gestures from Isreal, good for propaganda purposes.

I ask you again, what would you have them do? Let them die? What would be your response to the headline 'Israeli doctors leave little girl to die', would you prefer that?

You have no argument here, you're just lookingfor the worst in everything. As I said before, with attitudes like yours, the process has no chance.
 
Hamas leader's daughter treated in Israeli hospital
Daughter of Ismail Haniyeh was admitted to Tel Aviv hospital from Gaza after the two sides fought a bloody seven-week war over the coastal territory.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ers-daughter-treated-in-Israeli-hospital.html

...and she didn't get in through the tunnels too.


You save some, you kill some (more).
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middl...ds-gilbert-banned-gaza-20141115244546404.html
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.606912
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/mi...-hit-israeli-strike-four-dead-40-hurt-n161086
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/mi...otect-medical-workers-facilities-gaza-n160946
 
@Colin129

I'm trying to be open minded and come round to your way of thinking, here. But it seems that Israel indiscriminately kill and wound thousands, especially children, all of whom are Palestinian.
 
You lot still are not getting the point are you?

Last week 36% of the population voted Conservative and we now have a majority Tory government, does that mean the entire population agree with all Britain's policies that will come out over the next 5 years? At least 64% are against them and a proportion of the rest will not be in agreement with everything they do.

If the Israeli Government pursue various policies, the whole population do not agree with them, many and perhaps greater than 50% do not agree with them. These small things should demonstrate that there is actually a lot of humanity, even when it comes to, essentially, treating your enemies in hospital. It is very important to report such things to show, to both sides, that there is humanity and not everyone supports violence.

If you can't accept that and constantly dismiss it as propaganda, then you are just perpetuating the conflict.
 
You lot still are not getting the point are you?

Last week 36% of the population voted Conservative and we now have a majority Tory government, does that mean the entire population agree with all Britain's policies that will come out over the next 5 years? At least 64% are against them and a proportion of the rest will not be in agreement with everything they do.

If the Israeli Government pursue various policies, the whole population do not agree with them, many and perhaps greater than 50% do not agree with them. These small things should demonstrate that there is actually a lot of humanity, even when it comes to, essentially, treating your enemies in hospital. It is very important to report such things to show, to both sides, that there is humanity and not everyone supports violence.

If you can't accept that and constantly dismiss it as propaganda, then you are just perpetuating the conflict.


(I'm not an expert on their domestic situation so could be wrong on some of this)

1. Your point is more valid in FPTP UK rather than PR Israel.

2. The Israelis just voted among the most openly anti-peace governments possible, the far-right party has several ministries now including justice. This after a explicitly racist and anti-peace and anti-Palestine campaign run by the PM himself.

3. Israelis have consistently voted for Likud/worse, parties known to have a hard line on Palestine, so much that the left parties no longer campaign on peace but on economics.

The founding of Israel and the egalitarian ideals it seemed to have is fascinating reading but they are right now as far from idealism as possible.

On the other hand, I do believe that a two or five-year war cycle helps keep Likud and Co. in perpetual power.
Gaza bombings => nationalistic mood + international condemnation => right wing support goes up, rinse and repeat. Perpetual war also helps Hamas which in turn gives a stronger bogeyman with which to contest elections for Likud, etc. You could argue that this suits Hamas too, and it does, but unlike Netanyahu et. al., they actually get killed in the wars, so I'm not sure how good a strategy it is for them.

In terms of numbers, ~80 Israelis (mostly soldiers) were killed last time compared to ~1500 Gazans including 500+ civilians. If I was Netanyahu and my priority was keeping my chair, I know what option I would take between this type of one-sided war and a long-term peace.
 
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You lot still are not getting the point are you?

Last week 36% of the population voted Conservative and we now have a majority Tory government, does that mean the entire population agree with all Britain's policies that will come out over the next 5 years? At least 64% are against them and a proportion of the rest will not be in agreement with everything they do.

If the Israeli Government pursue various policies, the whole population do not agree with them, many and perhaps greater than 50% do not agree with them. These small things should demonstrate that there is actually a lot of humanity, even when it comes to, essentially, treating your enemies in hospital. It is very important to report such things to show, to both sides, that there is humanity and not everyone supports violence.

If you can't accept that and constantly dismiss it as propaganda, then you are just perpetuating the conflict.

Yes, we're perpetuating the conflict. Now I've heard everything. What a bullshit statement.

I agree - there are a lot of Jewish people both here and over there who are against the Zionist regime.

The point is though, it is an empty gesture treating one kid after you've killed 550. That can't be denied. Obviously, the point should centre on why this girl needs treatment in the first place. And that's because she's living in a ghetto prison that's getting bombed the shit out of every two years. That's the point here. The sad reality is, that she will most likely die the next time this happens. Her and many, many other kids.

May 2014

Nadeem Siam Nawara, 17, of Beitunia, West Bank, shot and killed by IDF soldiers outside Ofer prison near Ramallah. Leaked surveillance video revealed the young man was assassinated while peacefully and unassumingly walking down a street near the prison.
Hamza Raed Thary, 6, of Jabalia refugee camp, in the northern Gaza Strip,killed by an IDF air strike while playing in the sand at the beach.

June 2014

Ali Abd al-Latif al-Awour, 7, of Beit Lahi, in the northern Gaza Strip, of wounds suffered in a June 11 Israeli missile attack targeting and killing his uncle, Muhammad Ahmad al-Awaour, who was riding his motorcycle to get food for dinner.

I could post 147 of these, all from 2014.

Or I could post 1656 of these from 2000.
 

We kill many, because we're in a war which we did not start. This war is fought in urban areas, because the death of innocent civilians is the strategy of our enemy. Let's not try to agree on rights of return or the right to exist. You would have to agree that fighting Hamas and its tactics of launching rockets from populated areas makes civilian casualties an inevitability.

Nevertheless, this story I posted was one of some optimism. If you choose to dismiss it with the usual campaign its your choice.
 
1. Your point is more valid in FPTP UK rather than PR Israel.

I don't agree with the distinction @Colin129 made. People's democratic choice make them accountable collectively. Not ideal, but that's the way it is.

2. The Israelis just voted among the most openly anti-peace governments possible, the far-right party has several ministries now including justice. This after a explicitly racist and anti-peace and anti-Palestine campaign run by the PM himself.

3. Israelis have consistently voted for Likud/worse, parties known to have a hard line on Palestine, so much that the left parties no longer campaign on peace but on economics.

The Israelis voters have long given up on a "peace process" which appears to be a waste of time, which means that it's not that they voted for an anti-peace government, but for a government that is not willing to make further concessions in order to keep an artificial, pointless "peace process".

The founding of Israel and the egalitarian ideals it seemed to have is fascinating reading but they are right now as far from idealism as possible.

Israeli Arabs enjoy far better equality these days than previously. May still not be ideal, but considering the national conflict and Israel's earlier days as an independent state Arabs here have made a huge progress.

On the other hand, I do believe that a two or five-year war cycle helps keep Likud and Co. in perpetual power.
Gaza bombings => nationalistic mood + international condemnation => right wing support goes up, rinse and repeat. Perpetual war also helps Hamas which in turn gives a stronger bogeyman with which to contest elections for Likud, etc. You could argue that this suits Hamas too, and it does, but unlike Netanyahu et. al., they actually get killed in the wars, so I'm not sure how good a strategy it is for them.

You'll find that right-wing parties did not increase their power at the expense of left/center in the last general elections, so this theory does not hold water. Being more familiar with the political divide here I can guarantee you that anti-peace parties here would shrink considerably if there was a viable two-state offer on the table, and by viable I mean recognition in a Jewish state by a strong Palestinian leadership.

In terms of numbers, ~80 Israelis (mostly soldiers) were killed last time compared to ~1500 Gazans including 500+ civilians. If I was Netanyahu and my priority was my keeping chair, I know what option I would take between this type of one-sided war and a long-term peace.

I appreciate your honesty in providing those figures. I recall the 80% civilians/1000 children etc. that were mentioned here in the summer. As I said back then, developing Iron Dome does not compromise our right to stop rockets being fired at us. As a Likud voter I can also give you my word that if Likud turns down a peace deal along the (very general) lines I outlined above they'll lose my vote.
 
2. The Israelis just voted among the most openly anti-peace governments possible, the far-right party has several ministries now including justice. This after a explicitly racist and anti-peace and anti-Palestine campaign run by the PM himself.

3. Israelis have consistently voted for Likud/worse, parties known to have a hard line on Palestine, so much that the left parties no longer campaign on peace but on economics.

The Israeli system is not without its own problems. If by 'peace' you mean a two-state solution, then a majority of the Knesset is in favour of it (under what they deem to be the correct circumstances of course) - http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/ori...nt-two-state-solution-knesset-opposition.html

Of the new coalition, only Jewish Home and part of the Likud can be said to ideologically oppose the creation of a Palestinian state alongside Israel - that's a maximum of 38 seats out of 61 in the new government, and out of 120 overall in the Knesset.
 
I ask you again, what would you have them do? Let them die? What would be your response to the headline 'Israeli doctors leave little girl to die', would you prefer that?

You have no argument here, you're just lookingfor the worst in everything. As I said before, with attitudes like yours, the process has no chance.

I'm saying any dr would treat a patient if they were put infront of them, there is nothing special in their actions.

The attitudes that prevent a peace process are to be found in the current Israely cabinet.
 
I'm saying any dr would treat a patient if they were put infront of them, there is nothing special in their actions.

The attitudes that prevent a peace process are to be found in the current Israely cabinet.
any doctor should... hypoctaric oath and all that
http://www.jpost.com/Jewish-World/J...or-refuses-treatment-to-Jewish-patient-369591
http://america.aljazeera.com/articl...doctor-refuses-to-treat-baby-of-lesbians.html
unfortunately Dr or not some people can be pricks
That said the current Isreal government seems more unlikely to achieve a peaceful settlement than ever and with the rest of the instability in the region one wonders how long before the situation unfortunately deteriorates even further.
Perhaps the next US election and how that may change the support given / not given to Isreal is the only thing that will actually change the policies - though I fear things may deteriorate so far over the next couple of years even that issue becomes irrelevant
 
The Israeli system is not without its own problems. If by 'peace' you mean a two-state solution, then a majority of the Knesset is in favour of it (under what they deem to be the correct circumstances of course) - http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/ori...nt-two-state-solution-knesset-opposition.html

Of the new coalition, only Jewish Home and part of the Likud can be said to ideologically oppose the creation of a Palestinian state alongside Israel - that's a maximum of 38 seats out of 61 in the new government, and out of 120 overall in the Knesset.

But isn´t the bold part the problem? Being categorically and openly against the two state solution is not a "sexy" view. Not in Israel and not in the international community. Its possible to contest this idea and to isolate people who hold it.
The real problem are people who are in favour of the 2-state solution, while making demands, that are de-facto impossible to agree on. In the current situation, its very hard to argue against this view. There will always be the same buzzword justification: "Look, we are for peace, but they have to do XYZ first to ensure our SECURITY. Its their fault, that we dont come to an agreement." That way you can literately justify anything.

Considering that the same thing works in the "western hemisphere" (while being thousands of miles away), its not a surprised that people in Israel, who are actually much more threatened by violence, accept this justification.
 
PedroMendez said:
But isn´t the bold part the problem? Being categorically and openly against the two state solution is not a "sexy" view. Not in Israel and not in the international community. Its possible to contest this idea and to isolate people who hold it.
The real problem are people who are in favour of the 2-state solution, while making demands, that are de-facto impossible to agree on. In the current situation, its very hard to argue against this view. There will always be the same buzzword justification: "Look, we are for peace, but they have to do XYZ first to ensure our SECURITY. Its their fault, that we dont come to an agreement." That way you can literately justify anything.

Considering that the same thing works in the "western hemisphere" (while being thousands of miles away), its not a surprised that people in Israel, who are actually much more threatened by violence, accept this justification.

I think that while there will always be rejectionists in Israel who'll use the security issue to attempt to derail any peace plans, the general feeling held by the Israeli public described by Holyland Red above is genuinely felt and not without some basis. Those rejectionists would not have succeeded in preventing a deal in 2000, but since the second intifada and the general post 9/11 chaos across the region, Israelis look around them and see absolutely nothing to persuade them that NOW is the right time for concessions, and plenty to persuade them otherwise.
 
I think that while there will always be rejectionists in Israel who'll use the security issue to attempt to derail any peace plans, the general feeling held by the Israeli public described by Holyland Red above is genuinely felt and not without some basis. Those rejectionists would not have succeeded in preventing a deal in 2000, but since the second intifada and the general post 9/11 chaos across the region, Israelis look around them and see absolutely nothing to persuade them that NOW is the right time for concessions, and plenty to persuade them otherwise.

I am not saying, that the security concerns of Israel have no basis; they have many reasons not to trust their “partners” and all right in the world to take precautions. I still don’t think that their response is particularly reasonable.

Regardless of what you think about their actions, it means that there won’t be a 2-state solution in the foreseeable future and the obstacle on Israel´s side aren’t some hardliner but rather significant parts of the political mainstream.
 
Regardless of what you think about their actions, it means that there won’t be a 2-state solution in the foreseeable future and the obstacle on Israel´s side aren’t some hardliner but rather significant parts of the political mainstream.

Agreed that there won't be a two-state agreement any time soon. I'm skeptical that such an agreement would bring peace anyway, but that's another issue. I would say that the 'obstacles' currently existing on both sides don't exist in a vacuum, but are obviously affected by a huge number of factors - internal Israeli/Palestinian politics, Israeli-Palestinian relations, events and trends in the Arab and Islamic world, Israeli-American relations, economic factors, etc. - and thus subject to changes which are sometimes unforeseen. If circumstances somehow bring the situation around to something resembling the late 90s, I don't think Israeli mainstream opinion will stand in the way of an agreement.
 
You lot still are not getting the point are you?

Last week 36% of the population voted Conservative and we now have a majority Tory government, does that mean the entire population agree with all Britain's policies that will come out over the next 5 years? At least 64% are against them and a proportion of the rest will not be in agreement with everything they do.

If the Israeli Government pursue various policies, the whole population do not agree with them, many and perhaps greater than 50% do not agree with them. These small things should demonstrate that there is actually a lot of humanity, even when it comes to, essentially, treating your enemies in hospital. It is very important to report such things to show, to both sides, that there is humanity and not everyone supports violence.

If you can't accept that and constantly dismiss it as propaganda, then you are just perpetuating the conflict.
I've read absolute shite before but this will be hard to top. But maybe I'm not getting the point.
 
Stop whining. Long live Israel's new and honest government

Israel's new government won't spout hollow slogans about peace, human rights, and justice. The truth will be thrust in the faces of Israelis - and the world.





The 34th government will deserve Israel; Israel will deserve the 34th government. This is an authentic and representative government, the true manifestation of the spirit of the times and the deepest feelings of most Israelis. It will be a true government, without pretense, without makeup and without self-justification. What we’ll see is what we’ll get. Welcome to the fourth Benjamin Netanyahu government.

They won’t talk haughtily and they won’t spout hollow slogans. Not about peace and not about human rights; not about two states and not about negotiations; not about international law, justice or equality. The truth will be thrust in the faces of Israelis and the world. And the truth is this: The two-state solution is dead (it was never born), the Palestinian state will not arise, international law does not apply to Israel, the occupation will continue to crawl quickly toward annexation, annexation will continue to crawl quickly toward an apartheid state; “Jewish” supersedes “democratic,” nationalism and racism will get the government stamp of approval, but they’re already here and have been for a long time.

Neither Netanyahu, nor Habayit Hayehudi’s chairman MK Naftali Bennett nor that party’s faction members MK Ayelet Shaked and MK Eli Ben-Dahan, started this whole thing. They only expedited things. And there should be no shock or outrage, no bewailing the bitterness of fate. This government is a government of continuation, not a government of change.

True, some of its members are more extreme than their predecessors, but that is mainly about rhetorical differences. Even the most inflammatory appointment, of Shaked as justice minister, which reverberated throughout the world over the weekend, is less revolutionary than it seems. Shaked is blunt and violent, whereas Zionist Union MK Tzipi Livni, her predecessor, was delicate and proper. But Justice Minister Shaked will not have to work hard to break open cracks in our democracy; they opened a long time ago.

The best test of the nature of the regime in Israel is the test of the occupation and the war crimes: the foundations of apartheid are already deep and the war crimes remain uninvestigated. From her office in the heart of occupied Jerusalem, Livni has not made Israel more just in that respect. True, Shaked’s ideas are more nationalistic and her understanding of the essence of democracy is nil. True, many in the world were shocked that a person who identified with one of the most violent articles ever written here against the Palestinian people (by Uri Elitzur), was appointed minister of Israeli justice. But there’s no place for such sanctimoniousness. Elitzur expressed what many people are thinking.

The appointment of another racist, Eli Ben-Dahan, as deputy defense minister, responsible for the Civil Administration, should not be earth-shattering either. True, Ben-Dahan said that “the Palestinians are animals, they are not human, they are not entitled to live” – but don’t these statements reflect the true attitude of many Israelis? Ben-Dahan will speak for them. That is how Israel has been treating the Palestinians for almost 50 years; Ben-Dahan is only saying things overtly. Now he will be responsible for the Civil Administration and the whole system of “humanitarian gestures” will be torn up. Ben-Dahan is the right man in the right place at the right time. An excellent appointment.

A person who proudly says “I killed masses of Arabs” and calls them “shrapnel in the buttocks” will be education minister – and who in Israel doesn’t think that? The general of Operation Cast Lead, with its crimes, the man who contravened building restrictions, Yoav Galant, will be construction minister. Is that not a fine appointment? MK Uri Maklev of United Torah Judaism is to head the Knesset Science Committee? Does that not correctly reflect the attitude of some Israelis to science?

Stop whining. Maybe Israel’s shadow government should be more enlightened, but not its real government. It is what the Israelis chose, it reflects their true stands. And so, long live the new government.


http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/1.655674


People still going about peace, security, self defense, right to exist etc. Seriously. People really need to stop talking about peace process and other BS when these butchers lead Israel.
 
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Israel Admits Forcing Birth Control On Ethiopian Jews
Posted by Jacqui Deevoy


The Israeli government has admitted to forcing female Ethiopian Jewish immigrants into having contraceptive injections without their knowledge or consent. Many of the hoodwinked women claim that they were told the Depo-Provera injections were vaccinations and that they couldn’t enter Israel or receive any medical aid unless they had the treatment.

Suspicions were raised when the birth rate in Israel’s Ethiopian community dropped dramatically.

The government has denied the practice in the past, but the Israeli Health Ministry’s director-general has now ordered gynaecologists to stop administering the drugs.

The Atlanta Black Star reports:

The Israeli government has tacitly acknowledged injecting Ethiopian women immigrating to Israel with a long-acting contraceptive without their knowledge, telling them they couldn’t come into the country if they didn’t take the shot, which the women thought was a vaccination.

Many have called the practice appallingly racist.

The shots are being blamed for a 50 percent drop in the birth rate in Israel’s Ethiopian community over the past decade.

There are about 120,000 Jews of Ethiopian origin living in Israel, about a third of them born in Israel. There have long been conspiracy theories circulating about forced sterilization. But after a documentary aired last month on Israel’s Educational Network, Health Ministry Director General Ron Gamzu has banned Israel’s health maintenance organizations from injecting Ethiopian women with the contraceptive Depo-Provera.

Gamzu sent out a letter to HMOs telling them “not to renew prescriptions for Depo-Provera for women of Ethiopian origin if for any reason there is concern that they might not understand the ramifications of the treatment,” the news site Haaretz reported Sunday.

According to Haaretz, the documentary chronicled 35 Ethiopian women who immigrated to Israel eight years ago and said they were told they would not be allowed to move to Israel unless they agreed to the Depo-Provera shots.

“We said we won’t have the shot,” recounted one of the women, according to Haaretz. “They told us, if you don’t you won’t go to Israel. And also you won’t be allowed into (an assistance program), you won’t get aid or medical care. We were afraid … We didn’t have a choice. Without them and their aid we couldn’t leave (Ethiopia). So we accepted the injection. It was only with their permission that we were allowed to leave.”

According to the Times of Israel, some of the women didn’t know the shots contained contraceptives; they thought the shots were vaccinations. Others said they kept receiving them after they came to Israel and complained of side effects such as headaches and abdominal pain.

Last month, a report by a local investigative journalist, Gal Gabbay, showed that women in a transit camp in Ethiopia awaiting emigration were told they would have to get the shots in order to come to Israel.

According to the Los Angeles Times, the possible side effects of the drug include a decrease in bone density that puts women at increased risk for osteoporosis and fracture. In addition, returning to fertility can be a lengthy process and withdrawal symptoms can be acute.

“Depo-Provera has a shameful history,” Efrat Yardai wrote in an op-ed for Haaretz, explaining that the drug was used between 1967 and 1978 as part of an experiment that took place in the U.S. state of Georgia on 13,000 impoverished women, half of whom were black. Many of them were unaware that the injections were part of an experiment. Some of the women became sick and a few died during the experiment.

Ethiopian Jews have faced widespread discrimination and isolation since being moved to Israel in the 1980s. Some were forced to live in transit camps or absorption centers to “adjust to society.” They face widespread discrimination in the job market and the educational system.

Hevda Eyal, author of the report “By Women to Women,” told the National that the birth control shots were about “reducing the number of births in a community that is black and mostly poor.”

The Times of Israel details the case of a nurse — captured by a hidden camera in a health clinic — telling an Ethiopian woman that the shot is given to Ethiopian immigrants because “they forget, they don’t understand, and it’s hard to explain to them, so it’s best that they receive a shot once every three months … basically they don’t understand anything.”
 
Vatican Recognizes Palestine
Palestinian president to visit with Pope on Saturday.

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The Vatican has officially recognized the state of Palestine.

Associated PressMay 13, 2015
By NICOLE WINFIELD, Associated Press


VATICAN CITY (AP) — The Vatican has officially recognized the state of Palestine in a new treaty.

The treaty, which was finalized Wednesday but still has to be signed, makes clear that the Holy See has switched its diplomatic relations from the Palestine Liberation Organization to the state of Palestine.

The Vatican had welcomed the decision by the U.N. General Assembly in 2012 to recognize a Palestinian state. But the treaty is the first legal document negotiated between the Holy See and the Palestinian state and constitutes an official diplomatic recognition.

"Yes, it's a recognition that the state exists," said the Vatican spokesman, the Rev. Federico Lombardi.

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas is due to visit Pope Francis on Saturday before the canonization of two new saints from the Holy Land a day later.

The Vatican has been referring unofficially to the state of Palestine for at least a year.

During Pope Francis' 2014 visit to the Holy Land, the Vatican's official program referred to Abbas as the president of the "state of Palestine." In the Vatican's latest yearbook, the Palestinian ambassador to the Holy See is listed as representing "Palestine (state of)."

The Vatican's foreign minister, Monsignor Antoine Camilleri, acknowledged the change in status, given that the treaty was initially inked with the PLO and is now being finalized with the "state of Palestine." But he said the shift was simply in line with the Holy See's position.
 
Remembering the Israeli Arab victim of one of Israel's worst terrorist attacks
Hasiba Shahala, 27, was the first victim of the terrorists who carried out a massacre in Ma'alot in 1974.

It happened 41 years ago: The terror cell that infiltrated Israel and carried out the terrible Ma'alot massacre also murdered a Christian Arab woman on its way to carrying out the attack in the north of the country. And from Tuesday, for the first time since she was killed, her name will appear on the plaque in memory of the victims.

On May 12, 1974, a terror cell that had crossed the border from Lebanon into Israel at night encountered a van carrying workers who were on their way home to their village of Fassuta – and opened fire on the vehicle. The attack resulted in the death of Fassuta resident Hasiba Shahala, 27, a Christian Arab; the driver and eight other passengers were wounded.

The terrorists then proceeded to Ma'alot, where they broke into the home of Yosef and Fortuna Cohen and murdered the couple and their four-year-old son, Eli. From there, the cell headed for the Netiv Meir Elementary School where students and teachers on a school trip from Safed were lodged.

The ensuing two-day hostage situation ended when IDF special forces from Sayeret Matkal stormed the building. The incident culminated in the death of 22 students and teachers and an IDF soldier, Shmuel-Silvan Zerah, who wasn't a part of the IDF assault force.


http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4656554,00.html

Better late than never. RIP.
 
"Israel must protect itself from these unguided rocket-firecrackers which have broken windows and caused street damage in some Israeli cities. The killing of over two thousand Palastinians, including hundreds of terrified children huddled in UN schools is certainly one form of deterrence. If the people of Gaza, imprisoned behind barbed wire, ever manage to rebuild the homes, schools and hospitals destroyed from the last Israel invasion, they should be destroyed again, for Israel's protection, of course."


In response to Israel's bombs from last night.
 
"Israel must protect itself from these unguided rocket-firecrackers which have broken windows and caused street damage in some Israeli cities. The killing of over two thousand Palastinians, including hundreds of terrified children huddled in UN schools is certainly one form of deterrence. If the people of Gaza, imprisoned behind barbed wire, ever manage to rebuild the homes, schools and hospitals destroyed from the last Israel invasion, they should be destroyed again, for Israel's protection, of course."


In response to Israel's bombs from last night.


Always wondered what the F stood for in Fajr-5.
Thanks for letting me know.