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Egypt an American stooge ? I've heard it all now.
Egypt? no. Egyptian military? Yes
Egypt an American stooge ? I've heard it all now.
Egypt? no. Egyptian military? Yes
Care to elaborate ? I hope its more than simply getting money, weapons, and having officers training in the states.
I think you can buy most people if you give them money, weapons and training. As it is on top of all that you also shield them internationally, turn a blind eye to their butchery
'Most of them are friendly' - so you knew the answer before you asked
Hamas leader's daughter treated in Israeli hospital
Daughter of Ismail Haniyeh was admitted to Tel Aviv hospital from Gaza after the two sides fought a bloody seven-week war over the coastal territory.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ers-daughter-treated-in-Israeli-hospital.html
...and she didn't get in through the tunnels too.
During kidnapping crisis, Abbas' wife secretly undergoes surgery in Israel
On day three boys kidnapped in West Bank, Amina Abbas admitted for leg surgery at Tel Aviv's Assouta Medical Center; to be released Sunday.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.598899
The closest the Palestinians got to national unity
Clearly propaganda, a hollow token gesture. Israeli doctors have no compassion, it's a cheap dig at Hamas for being rubbish and not actually giving a shit about the Palestinians after all.
Clearly propaganda, a hollow token gesture. Israeli doctors have no compassion, it's a cheap dig at Hamas for being rubbish and not actually giving a shit about the Palestinians after all.
I think you'll find all Doctors have compassion, they treat anyone you put in front of them.
These are no more than token gestures from Isreal, good for propaganda purposes.
Hamas leader's daughter treated in Israeli hospital
Daughter of Ismail Haniyeh was admitted to Tel Aviv hospital from Gaza after the two sides fought a bloody seven-week war over the coastal territory.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ers-daughter-treated-in-Israeli-hospital.html
...and she didn't get in through the tunnels too.
@Colin129You save some, you kill some (more).
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middl...ds-gilbert-banned-gaza-20141115244546404.html
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.606912
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/mi...-hit-israeli-strike-four-dead-40-hurt-n161086
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/mi...otect-medical-workers-facilities-gaza-n160946
You lot still are not getting the point are you?
Last week 36% of the population voted Conservative and we now have a majority Tory government, does that mean the entire population agree with all Britain's policies that will come out over the next 5 years? At least 64% are against them and a proportion of the rest will not be in agreement with everything they do.
If the Israeli Government pursue various policies, the whole population do not agree with them, many and perhaps greater than 50% do not agree with them. These small things should demonstrate that there is actually a lot of humanity, even when it comes to, essentially, treating your enemies in hospital. It is very important to report such things to show, to both sides, that there is humanity and not everyone supports violence.
If you can't accept that and constantly dismiss it as propaganda, then you are just perpetuating the conflict.
You lot still are not getting the point are you?
Last week 36% of the population voted Conservative and we now have a majority Tory government, does that mean the entire population agree with all Britain's policies that will come out over the next 5 years? At least 64% are against them and a proportion of the rest will not be in agreement with everything they do.
If the Israeli Government pursue various policies, the whole population do not agree with them, many and perhaps greater than 50% do not agree with them. These small things should demonstrate that there is actually a lot of humanity, even when it comes to, essentially, treating your enemies in hospital. It is very important to report such things to show, to both sides, that there is humanity and not everyone supports violence.
If you can't accept that and constantly dismiss it as propaganda, then you are just perpetuating the conflict.
May 2014
Nadeem Siam Nawara, 17, of Beitunia, West Bank, shot and killed by IDF soldiers outside Ofer prison near Ramallah. Leaked surveillance video revealed the young man was assassinated while peacefully and unassumingly walking down a street near the prison.
Hamza Raed Thary, 6, of Jabalia refugee camp, in the northern Gaza Strip,killed by an IDF air strike while playing in the sand at the beach.
June 2014
Ali Abd al-Latif al-Awour, 7, of Beit Lahi, in the northern Gaza Strip, of wounds suffered in a June 11 Israeli missile attack targeting and killing his uncle, Muhammad Ahmad al-Awaour, who was riding his motorcycle to get food for dinner.
You save some, you kill some (more).
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middl...ds-gilbert-banned-gaza-20141115244546404.html
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.606912
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/mi...-hit-israeli-strike-four-dead-40-hurt-n161086
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/mi...otect-medical-workers-facilities-gaza-n160946
1. Your point is more valid in FPTP UK rather than PR Israel.
2. The Israelis just voted among the most openly anti-peace governments possible, the far-right party has several ministries now including justice. This after a explicitly racist and anti-peace and anti-Palestine campaign run by the PM himself.
3. Israelis have consistently voted for Likud/worse, parties known to have a hard line on Palestine, so much that the left parties no longer campaign on peace but on economics.
The founding of Israel and the egalitarian ideals it seemed to have is fascinating reading but they are right now as far from idealism as possible.
On the other hand, I do believe that a two or five-year war cycle helps keep Likud and Co. in perpetual power.
Gaza bombings => nationalistic mood + international condemnation => right wing support goes up, rinse and repeat. Perpetual war also helps Hamas which in turn gives a stronger bogeyman with which to contest elections for Likud, etc. You could argue that this suits Hamas too, and it does, but unlike Netanyahu et. al., they actually get killed in the wars, so I'm not sure how good a strategy it is for them.
In terms of numbers, ~80 Israelis (mostly soldiers) were killed last time compared to ~1500 Gazans including 500+ civilians. If I was Netanyahu and my priority was my keeping chair, I know what option I would take between this type of one-sided war and a long-term peace.
2. The Israelis just voted among the most openly anti-peace governments possible, the far-right party has several ministries now including justice. This after a explicitly racist and anti-peace and anti-Palestine campaign run by the PM himself.
3. Israelis have consistently voted for Likud/worse, parties known to have a hard line on Palestine, so much that the left parties no longer campaign on peace but on economics.
I ask you again, what would you have them do? Let them die? What would be your response to the headline 'Israeli doctors leave little girl to die', would you prefer that?
You have no argument here, you're just lookingfor the worst in everything. As I said before, with attitudes like yours, the process has no chance.
any doctor should... hypoctaric oath and all thatI'm saying any dr would treat a patient if they were put infront of them, there is nothing special in their actions.
The attitudes that prevent a peace process are to be found in the current Israely cabinet.
The Israeli system is not without its own problems. If by 'peace' you mean a two-state solution, then a majority of the Knesset is in favour of it (under what they deem to be the correct circumstances of course) - http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/ori...nt-two-state-solution-knesset-opposition.html
Of the new coalition, only Jewish Home and part of the Likud can be said to ideologically oppose the creation of a Palestinian state alongside Israel - that's a maximum of 38 seats out of 61 in the new government, and out of 120 overall in the Knesset.
PedroMendez said:But isn´t the bold part the problem? Being categorically and openly against the two state solution is not a "sexy" view. Not in Israel and not in the international community. Its possible to contest this idea and to isolate people who hold it.
The real problem are people who are in favour of the 2-state solution, while making demands, that are de-facto impossible to agree on. In the current situation, its very hard to argue against this view. There will always be the same buzzword justification: "Look, we are for peace, but they have to do XYZ first to ensure our SECURITY. Its their fault, that we dont come to an agreement." That way you can literately justify anything.
Considering that the same thing works in the "western hemisphere" (while being thousands of miles away), its not a surprised that people in Israel, who are actually much more threatened by violence, accept this justification.
I think that while there will always be rejectionists in Israel who'll use the security issue to attempt to derail any peace plans, the general feeling held by the Israeli public described by Holyland Red above is genuinely felt and not without some basis. Those rejectionists would not have succeeded in preventing a deal in 2000, but since the second intifada and the general post 9/11 chaos across the region, Israelis look around them and see absolutely nothing to persuade them that NOW is the right time for concessions, and plenty to persuade them otherwise.
Regardless of what you think about their actions, it means that there won’t be a 2-state solution in the foreseeable future and the obstacle on Israel´s side aren’t some hardliner but rather significant parts of the political mainstream.
I've read absolute shite before but this will be hard to top. But maybe I'm not getting the point.You lot still are not getting the point are you?
Last week 36% of the population voted Conservative and we now have a majority Tory government, does that mean the entire population agree with all Britain's policies that will come out over the next 5 years? At least 64% are against them and a proportion of the rest will not be in agreement with everything they do.
If the Israeli Government pursue various policies, the whole population do not agree with them, many and perhaps greater than 50% do not agree with them. These small things should demonstrate that there is actually a lot of humanity, even when it comes to, essentially, treating your enemies in hospital. It is very important to report such things to show, to both sides, that there is humanity and not everyone supports violence.
If you can't accept that and constantly dismiss it as propaganda, then you are just perpetuating the conflict.
My fav. bit was when he said we perpetuate the conflict.I've read absolute shite before but this will be hard to top. But maybe I'm not getting the point.
Israel Admits Forcing Birth Control On Ethiopian Jews
Posted by Jacqui Deevoy
The Israeli government has admitted to forcing female Ethiopian Jewish immigrants into having contraceptive injections without their knowledge or consent. Many of the hoodwinked women claim that they were told the Depo-Provera injections were vaccinations and that they couldn’t enter Israel or receive any medical aid unless they had the treatment.
Suspicions were raised when the birth rate in Israel’s Ethiopian community dropped dramatically.
The government has denied the practice in the past, but the Israeli Health Ministry’s director-general has now ordered gynaecologists to stop administering the drugs.
The Atlanta Black Star reports:
The Israeli government has tacitly acknowledged injecting Ethiopian women immigrating to Israel with a long-acting contraceptive without their knowledge, telling them they couldn’t come into the country if they didn’t take the shot, which the women thought was a vaccination.
Many have called the practice appallingly racist.
The shots are being blamed for a 50 percent drop in the birth rate in Israel’s Ethiopian community over the past decade.
There are about 120,000 Jews of Ethiopian origin living in Israel, about a third of them born in Israel. There have long been conspiracy theories circulating about forced sterilization. But after a documentary aired last month on Israel’s Educational Network, Health Ministry Director General Ron Gamzu has banned Israel’s health maintenance organizations from injecting Ethiopian women with the contraceptive Depo-Provera.
Gamzu sent out a letter to HMOs telling them “not to renew prescriptions for Depo-Provera for women of Ethiopian origin if for any reason there is concern that they might not understand the ramifications of the treatment,” the news site Haaretz reported Sunday.
According to Haaretz, the documentary chronicled 35 Ethiopian women who immigrated to Israel eight years ago and said they were told they would not be allowed to move to Israel unless they agreed to the Depo-Provera shots.
“We said we won’t have the shot,” recounted one of the women, according to Haaretz. “They told us, if you don’t you won’t go to Israel. And also you won’t be allowed into (an assistance program), you won’t get aid or medical care. We were afraid … We didn’t have a choice. Without them and their aid we couldn’t leave (Ethiopia). So we accepted the injection. It was only with their permission that we were allowed to leave.”
According to the Times of Israel, some of the women didn’t know the shots contained contraceptives; they thought the shots were vaccinations. Others said they kept receiving them after they came to Israel and complained of side effects such as headaches and abdominal pain.
Last month, a report by a local investigative journalist, Gal Gabbay, showed that women in a transit camp in Ethiopia awaiting emigration were told they would have to get the shots in order to come to Israel.
According to the Los Angeles Times, the possible side effects of the drug include a decrease in bone density that puts women at increased risk for osteoporosis and fracture. In addition, returning to fertility can be a lengthy process and withdrawal symptoms can be acute.
“Depo-Provera has a shameful history,” Efrat Yardai wrote in an op-ed for Haaretz, explaining that the drug was used between 1967 and 1978 as part of an experiment that took place in the U.S. state of Georgia on 13,000 impoverished women, half of whom were black. Many of them were unaware that the injections were part of an experiment. Some of the women became sick and a few died during the experiment.
Ethiopian Jews have faced widespread discrimination and isolation since being moved to Israel in the 1980s. Some were forced to live in transit camps or absorption centers to “adjust to society.” They face widespread discrimination in the job market and the educational system.
Hevda Eyal, author of the report “By Women to Women,” told the National that the birth control shots were about “reducing the number of births in a community that is black and mostly poor.”
The Times of Israel details the case of a nurse — captured by a hidden camera in a health clinic — telling an Ethiopian woman that the shot is given to Ethiopian immigrants because “they forget, they don’t understand, and it’s hard to explain to them, so it’s best that they receive a shot once every three months … basically they don’t understand anything.”
Vatican Recognizes Palestine
Palestinian president to visit with Pope on Saturday.
The Vatican has officially recognized the state of Palestine.
Associated PressMay 13, 2015
By NICOLE WINFIELD, Associated Press
VATICAN CITY (AP) — The Vatican has officially recognized the state of Palestine in a new treaty.
The treaty, which was finalized Wednesday but still has to be signed, makes clear that the Holy See has switched its diplomatic relations from the Palestine Liberation Organization to the state of Palestine.
The Vatican had welcomed the decision by the U.N. General Assembly in 2012 to recognize a Palestinian state. But the treaty is the first legal document negotiated between the Holy See and the Palestinian state and constitutes an official diplomatic recognition.
"Yes, it's a recognition that the state exists," said the Vatican spokesman, the Rev. Federico Lombardi.
Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas is due to visit Pope Francis on Saturday before the canonization of two new saints from the Holy Land a day later.
The Vatican has been referring unofficially to the state of Palestine for at least a year.
During Pope Francis' 2014 visit to the Holy Land, the Vatican's official program referred to Abbas as the president of the "state of Palestine." In the Vatican's latest yearbook, the Palestinian ambassador to the Holy See is listed as representing "Palestine (state of)."
The Vatican's foreign minister, Monsignor Antoine Camilleri, acknowledged the change in status, given that the treaty was initially inked with the PLO and is now being finalized with the "state of Palestine." But he said the shift was simply in line with the Holy See's position.
Thats really fantastic news.
Wonder if Bibi will invite his newfound distant cousin, Mullah Omar for a visit ?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...67224/Taliban-may-be-descended-from-Jews.html
"Israel must protect itself from these unguided rocket-firecrackers which have broken windows and caused street damage in some Israeli cities. The killing of over two thousand Palastinians, including hundreds of terrified children huddled in UN schools is certainly one form of deterrence. If the people of Gaza, imprisoned behind barbed wire, ever manage to rebuild the homes, schools and hospitals destroyed from the last Israel invasion, they should be destroyed again, for Israel's protection, of course."
In response to Israel's bombs from last night.