A nuclear Iran if it ever assembled or dared to use a nuclear weapon would destroy, or have catastrophic effects on Israeli Muslims, Palestinians, and Lebanese. That's deterrent enough.
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Election times in Israel, Colin.
No Muslim country should ever have weapons of mass destruction which kill indiscriminately. It clearly goes against the teachings of religion.
"Killing innocent civilians is prohibited even during war, especially against women, children, old people, and religious people such as monks and nuns. Even the cutting down of trees, killing animals, and destroying infrastructure are forbidden. In Islam, one can only fight a "just war", which is fought in self-defense, not as an act of aggression and is to be between two groups of military personnel, not with civilians"
"Killing innocent civilians is prohibited even during war, especially against women, children, old people, and religious people such as monks and nuns. Even the cutting down of trees, killing animals, and destroying infrastructure are forbidden. In Islam, one can only fight a "just war", which is fought in self-defense, not as an act of aggression and is to be between two groups of military personnel, not with civilians"
Aye, although that presumes they don't cherry pick what they prefer from religious texts. Unfortunately that's rarely the case in acts of extremism/aggression.
We're talking Iranian government, Cheesy. A country that has not had any issues with any of their neighbours for centuries. Not some terrorist organisation.
Iraq was self defence.
Fair point. Although that doesn't stop governments from cherry picking what they want from such texts. It doesn't necessarily always have to relate to extreme events such as violence or conflict.
Iran's supreme leader has already stated that Nuclear weapons are un-Islamic.
ISIS says hi!
I think we all know, Muslim & non-Muslim alike, that the Quoran does not preach indiscriminate murder, unfortunately there are those who will twist the words to suit their agenda.
What do you think of Maajid Nawaz ?
You can hardly call ISIS a country. Not one country/UN recognises them as a state.
He goes overboard trying hard to appease certain elements due to his new found fame. He's a lost soul. Doesn't know what believes.
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It goes without saying, Colin.
I agree with you about the nature of the current Iranian government, although it's far easier to see it that way sitting safely in Ireland or the UK rather than Tel Aviv. In any case, the whole 'Iran hasn't invaded anyone in centuries' argument is not really relevant - I'll quote myself in another thread here:
We're talking about a country which constantly supplies rockets to Hizballa, PIJ and Hamas for the one and only purpose of firing them indiscriminately on Israeli civilian population. That is every bit as unislamic as suicide bombings and possession of WMD.
I reckon possession of a wmd is not unislamic but rather its use is. An ak47 can also be used to indiscriminately kill people.
True. Any weapon used to harm innocents is Un-Islamic. However, a Nuclear weapon cannot be used indiscriminately.
No nation on earth should have nuclear weapons. The fact that some do means that others should too.
Iran are wrong. As are Israel for creating, and continuing with such conditions which give reasons to countries to support their co-religionists.
Let the world have such weapons. We should be above, and be better than other nations. God is the best protector.
For Iran and its "co-religionists" Israel's existence creates the conditions that excuse the unislamic murder of civilians.
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Does that mean Japan got nuked for being Godless?
I don't believe that to be the case. I think it's the Israeli treatment of Palestinians. Israel have been stealing land and squeezing the Palestinians for 60 years.
Not sure what that means or how to answer that question. What I will say no one deserves to be nuked for being Godless.
I don't justify killing one Isreali innocent. However, you always justify or excuse for killing of innocents including women and children. It's always the other side who are terrorists, and in the wrong in your warped world.
Palestinians will vote for an Arab, third largest political party in the Israeli parliament this coming Tuesday. They׳re better off here than anywhere else among their co-religionists. And that after trying to throw the Jews to the sea only 67 years ago.
Fairly obvious. If God is the best protector, he's had a hell of a lot of lunch breaks.
Of course, akh. What I will say is 'believe in God, but tie your camel'
This thread is not about you though, is it? It's about people who justify the murder of innocent civilians, and promote it. And what should the West do to stop them from acquiring nuclear weapons.
Well, others can say you're no better. How about you condemning taking life of innocents?
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How you can take this view and back Netanyuhu to the hilt is so hypocritical and two faced. Unsurprisingly it's you.
We've been through this many times before. I can see the difference between blowing up people in buses and returing fire to rocket launching sites that are deliberately placed within civilian populations. Others, that cannot make the distinction say that we are no better. Fair enough, that's the regretable reality we live in.
Israel harvesting organs from dead Palestinians, and their own soldiers and civilians, without permission back in the 90's. Something Nazis also practiced, iirc.
Yes, "Israel is a War Criminal" on Facebook certainly seems like a trustworthy and legitimate source.
The clip is from Al Jazeera. At least watch the clip before trying to make a nonsense point.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/dec/21/israeli-pathologists-harvested-organs
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/21/israel-admits-harvesting_n_399623.html
@naturalized I found a couple of articles for you as well, seeing as you don't want to watch a video. You can thank me later.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/21/israel-admits-harvesting_n_399623.html
@naturalized I found a couple of articles for you as well, seeing as you don't want to watch a video. You can thank me later.
Alright, calm down dude, no offence was intended, and sorry if any was taken. I was pointing out the obvious - that your video, seen in the context you yourself placed it in, looks distinctly like the kind of moronic crap we all wade through every day on our FB feeds. And to be quite blunt, your post, and the FB post you cite, is considerably more incendiary than the actual facts.
Your video made me curious so I found those two articles of my own accord - but thanks for the links, anyway. It's quite clearly, even from your own sources, a random rogue sloppy doctor failing to follow procedure (he took organs without consent from all kinds of cadavers, Palestinians, Israeli citizens and soldiers, foreign workers) who was immediately sacked when this was discovered. Quite a far cry from Nazi state policy of human experimentation/killing prisoners for the explicit purpose of harvesting organs, no? And an incredibly incendiary way of phrasing it.
So far, on the actual story itself I made one comment. That it is something the Nazis practiced. I didn't make any other comment on the story itself. The first comment I made was an explanation of the video/story at hand. Now, if you bothered reading the articles and watching the video you'll notice that multiple doctors/pathologists were implicated, with one actually being quoted. Even the Dr in question admitted that it was a 'we' i.e. a collective. So, to say it is 'a random rogue sloppy doctor' is false, when in fact, there were a few. Also, he wasn't just sacked, and nothing else...(did you not read the article?)
Now-when the report was initially published, Israel staunchly denied it, leading to tenuous relations with the Swedish government. The Swedish government refused to back down, and published this interview from Dr. Hiss as proof.
On top of all this, there are claims that organ harvesting continued into the 00's.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2009/12/2009122315425789179.html
Israel have never really looked into this claim, or scores of others as it would put them in a bad light (obviously). This, to me, is reminiscent of some of the practices seen in Nazi Germany. The shadiness, the un-accountability of the people who carried it out, the covering up of issues, and the fact that no one really has been punished for something they've admitted is wrong.
I may have come across a little brash to you (apologies), but your initial comment was just silly.
The Nazis also ran social welfare and anti-smoking campaigns. Do you also describe these things as being "something the Nazis also practiced"? You were making a clear reference to the Holocaust, and that is umambiguously a misleading and incendiary way to look at a situation that is far more nuanced.
No offence taken and the same to you, I should indeed have been slower to jump to conclusions.