This post is going to so many directions for no reason whatsoever that I'm not going to bother. Needless to say, you're outright missing the point I'm trying to make. Israel's current policy is a bad policy.
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"building an Islamic state on the rubble of all other civilizations"
Honest question, which other religions (stupid people from them) talk like this or have such aims today?
Honest question, which other religions (stupid people from them) talk like this or have such aims today?
The tea party in America?
India's nationalist Hindi right wing parties?
The people who went to places Ghana and convinced them to enact laws like the death penalty for homosexuality?
Israel, doing literally that, in the last few decades?
Not that any of this makes it okay, but religious nonsense isn't confined to Hamas.
India's nationalist Hindi right wing parties?
The people who went to places Ghana and convinced them to enact laws like the death penalty for homosexuality?
Israel, doing literally that, in the last few decades?
Not that any of this makes it okay, but religious nonsense isn't confined to Hamas.
Turns out that it's not only Hamas advocating complete annihilation of the opposing faction.
https://archive.today/RPf3M
Words fail me.
https://archive.today/RPf3M
Words fail me.
They are concerned only with the subcontinent. And they are not nationalists since there ideology is against the constitution so how can they be nationalist ?
Nationalism is about identity. Many nationalists aren't too concerned about things outside of their nation and that's not a prerequisite of nationalism.
There are many nationalists in India who are against the lot you are talking about. They are not nationalists because there outlook on nationality is against the current one. There national identity is against the constitution thus they cannot be nationalists, if they overthrow the govt and burn the constitution and replace it with something that matches with there ideology then they can be termed as nationalists.
Possibly the latter? Actually probably not. Feck knows. Just feels weird seeing airheads that typically post vacuous drivel suddenly wading into political debate via the medium of Facebook.
Witnesses? Seems like they've seen a situation - the bathroom with the bodies - and decided they know what happened there, and who did it.
I'm not going to pretend to know as much about the intricacies of Indian law as you do, but the BJP and their hindutva come across as pretty damn nationalistic. I don't see why that has to be in line with the constitution, India's politics is still in too early a stage for that to form part of a nationalist psyche in the way is does in places America. In any case, we're off topic.
edit; did a wee bit of reading on this again, and it looks like there's both Hindu nationalism and Indian nationalism about. Didn't know that, but fair enough.
The RSS has used abusive language regarding the national flag and constitution and dont recognise it. They have clearly stated that minorities will be second class and will have no voting rights. All of these are against the constitution which is the fabric of the Indian nation so how can such a group be termed as nationalistic ? A group that wants to change the national identity of the nation is not a nationalist, infact revolutionary is a more apt term. A nationalist is a person who believes his nation and his national identity (the way it is currently) is supreme. Claiming to be nationalist doesn't make them nationalist. Make no mistake the constitution is held in high regard.
And Isreal if asked to produce it would have all the evidence needed to fully justify the bombing/killing of UN schools and children playing on beaches etc as well.
They sound like fascists to me.
Don't think anyone is that extreme though.
This world is really going to the dogs if we don't stop idiots in the world.
So, we're still in a stalemate where on one hand we have Hamas putting the lives in danger of the population they are supposed to be fighting for, and on the other hand we have Israel, a so called civilised democracy, continuing the indiscriminate killing of innocent civilian population on a massive scale. It really does make you lose faith in humanity.
I hear you, and I got very pissed off at people who don't like football using Brazil's social inequality to gave a dig at the World Cup, but still you couldn't argue with what they posted, just the motive. Likewise here, people are still right to post john snow's video about kids being killed, even if they just heard of Gaza last week.
And as for bias, I don't think there is any. There is nobody fighting Hanas' corner which is why nobody needs to argue for them to be recognised as a problem. They are terrorists, ostracised by the international community. And also, this groundswell has had decades of foundations being laid. It's one of those overnight occurrences that took years.
That "was" the RSS ideology. Now they have softened there views.
I think you are talking about the VHP or something.
Yes you could call them fascists. But they are not directly part of the political process in India. BJP which is the political off shoot of RSS doesn't subscribe to these views, at least openly. Also they won a clear majority in the general elections earlier this year and so far none of the policies seem to be moving against the constitution. That said, i think even the BJP realises that they can't remain in power by undermining the constitution and even the talks of constructing a Temple (the most contentious issue in Indian Politics) was part of their manifesto as finding solution to construct a temple within the framework of the constitution.
Anyways the thread is getting derailed.
Irony. The one who supports child killers, posts a picture of a child strapped with explosives.
Is this supposed to be funny? Because it's not.
Over the last few weeks you've lost so much respect on here it's unreal.
I can't even imagine what you're like in person.
What a clown.
I don't know him in person but I'm sure he's just fine and ordinary like most Israelis. It's so easy to judge when you look at these things from afar and don't actually live them.
Maybe and maybe not. Which isn't really the issue. The video and you claimed those people are witnesses to this 'execution'. There aren't.
It's really easy to know that a child with explosives strapped to their chest is wrong.
Don't need to live in any situation to know that.
I'm sorry, but I think it's highly offensive posting that cartoon considering the amount of Palestinian children that have been killed or wounded by Israel's bombings over the past few weeks.
Fatah are the Al-Aqsa martyrs. They got exactly what they deserved.
I recall you attributing the rise of Hamas to power to Fatah corruption rather than radicalization of the Palestinian society. Changed your mind, or perhaps this current version better fits.your 2014 agenda?
Much funnier than in real life.
Couldn't agree more. Even oppression is not a good excuse.
I urge the Palestinians to protect their children better.
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Just like in Nazi Germany there were loads of fine, ordinary citizens carrying on, casting a blind eye, probably even secretly supporting, the pretty obvious genocide that was going on.
And to comment on this whole "human shield" right wing wanking . . . name me one partisan group in history that was fighting occupying enemies that didn't mingle and mix with the citizenry in order to carry on their insurgency. Grouping together outside the populations would be suicide. This all sort of reminds me of the history of the German occupation in the old Yugoslavia. The partisans would make an attack against the occupying forces and the German response was to come back with humiliating force and answer with massive hangings of innocents in the public square. Glad to see the Israelis using that playbook.
If there is a God he's definitely going to hell
God or the person who wrote that article? Important distinction!
Jews don't believe in hell, so if he was, he'd be going there for believing in the wrong religion. The Abrahamic God's really cool like that.
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Well done, Amir. So far in this thread you won a friend who thinks your country should not exist, and another who still doesn't know you're a Wehrmacht veteran. I bet he doesn't know you're a columnist for the Der Sturmer sports section either.
Holyland Red: living in a country from where approx. 110,000 Jews were deported and murdered by the Nazi's, and 1,000's more Dutch non Jews risked their lives trying to save them, I find your total disregard for human life shocking.
That's unfair.
Why? What's unfair?
And then it's the Jews accused of playing the holocaust card...
Look, living in a country that saw out the highest percentage in Western Europe of Jews being deported to death camps you should be able to understand why I wouldn't put the security of my nation in your hands again. Am I supposed to compromise the defense of my children from genocidal fundamentalists because you lot sent Jews to death camps?
Look, living in a country that saw out the highest percentage in Western Europe of Jews being deported to death camps you should be able to understand why I wouldn't put the security of my nation in your hands again. Am I supposed to compromise the defense of my children from genocidal fundamentalists because you lot sent Jews to death camps?
Nevermind. I'm out.
The point I'm making is showing what history has taught us when human life is taken in disregard, whether it be Palestinians or Jews. The human history is full of these examples. And what do you know about me? I might be Jewish myself for all you know.
Wouldn't matter to me one bit if you were. This is a debate on Israel's legitimacy and not a Passover dinner.
Actually, this is the morning I've probably given up.
Is the British embassy open on Sundays?