No, I have Israelis here shouting "Death to Arabs" in streets, football stadiums, University protests. If I say "death to the jews" and I would never ever even think of saying something this hateful, I'll go to jail. Israelis wishing Palestinian and Arab and leftist Jews is acceptable. Arabs get detained for much much less than that actually.
Israeli - Palestinian Conflict
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Unlike those fascist scum. I want peace, I really do.
UN envoy Serry: If soldier has been kidnapped, we must condemn in 'most severe terms'
Attila Somfalvi
Published: 08.01.14, 14:19 / Israel News
The UN's special envoy to the Middle East, Robert Serry, addressed the possiblity that an Israeli soldier was kidnapped on Friday saying that, "If the fear proves to be true, it will be a serious violation of the humanitarian ceasefire and we will have to condemn the act in the most severe terms."
So we now know all about the tank fire earlier in the morning. I'm sure the family of the abducted soldier is joyous at the UN condemnation.
Yeah, whatever. People in Gaza may be whatever you call them. Hamas are terrorists.
Well, I'd be fine with that, although what it will mean is that after we kill the first one, the others will just stay undergroup forever, like Nasralla.
So do you agree that Jewish terrorists built Israel in it's early days? And terrorist Israeli military have destroyed Gaza?
Don't be hard on yourself. It's the 5th time in a month the Hamas violates a ceasefire. As someone called them here, they are bad eggs.
Don't be hard on yourself. It's the 5th time in a month the Hamas violates a ceasefire. As someone called them here, they are bad eggs.
Ignoring the endless number of unprovoked attacks Israel carries out on Palestinian territories then are we?
Iraq is a mess, Syria is a mess and I didn't even get to the mess Lebanon is even we don't get many graphic death photos from there lately. You are aware that a one-state solution is not really an option Israelis would contemplate, so why would you even get into this argument. You well know that it's a non-starter, and I bet you know it wouldn't be peaceful if it did.
We will have to disagree on the definition of Israel I guess.
Don't be hard on yourself. It's the 5th time in a month the Hamas violates a ceasefire. As someone called them here, they are bad eggs.
For sure. It also demonstrates quite neatly why the bombardment of Gaza has been playing into their hands. I suspect the people pulling the strings behind Hamas are delighted to see the world getting up in arms about the actions of Israel in this conflict. The longer this goes on the better, as far as they're concerned.
Don't be hard on yourself. It's the 5th time in a month the Hamas violates a ceasefire. As someone called them here, they are bad eggs.
Lets be honest, Israel will not stop until they have fulfilled their objectives and neither will Hamas. This ceasefire is pointless bollocks anyway. If Israel wanted to go in to Gaza, they will. If Hamas wants to fire rockets, they will. Both are to blame.
The thing that's remarkable this time is how galvanized the Israeli public seem to be regarding the operation. It seemed that in previous ones, there were significant dissenting voices in Israeli society. This time its almost like a post 9/11 style pissed off, siege mentality where dissenters are ostracized. I heard something like 90% of the public are behind Netanyahu on this. Is that true ?
I'm talking about this current episode instead of going back to the 1920 attack on Tel Hai.
Yes, when Hamas violates a ceasefire all the rest is bollocks and both sides are to blame. In a sense you are right, Israel should resist any suggestion for a ceasefire and ignore background noises in its battle to defeat Hamas.
Jews did it when they were the oppressed, Palestinians do it when they are. Do you not see a pattern???
Defeat Hamas=destroy all tunnels and seize all rockets+arms.
Then in a couple of years time you are back to square one.
Israel can't militarily defeat Hamas.
No, I haven't. I was extremely proud of General Ghasan Alian, though. A true hero.
I'm talking about recent years. Israel seems to like carrying out missile strikes and assassinations unprovoked and with impunity. The second there's a retaliatory response Israel ups the firepower.
They are capable of being cnuts all on their own.
These are ads on the Boston subway. Never saw the like. I wonder how long they will last. Pretty hard hitting.
http://mondoweiss.net/2014/06/shocking-reality-ground.html
Were they oppressed back in 1920?
Is the thing about 9 year olds in prison true?
Do you disagree with the premise?
Interesting, never seen those before. The US has become fairly diverse, so I wouldn't be surprised if we see more of that if this goes on.
True, but the history is the context, ignoring it means that an acceptable stratgey would be very hard. I don't fully understand it to be honest. Even here, after peace was established people really seemed to need the Queen to apologise. It's surreal but it actually seemed to mean something to people.
Hard hitting indeed, and pretty factual at that. Be great to see other nations take such a swipe at the Israeli war crimes (purposely killing civilians are war crimes) by the use of smart advertising in public places. Bravo Boston!
The Boston Ads have been removed.
http://www.adsagainstapartheid.com/mbta-removes-pro-palestinian-ads-in-boston-without-notifying-ngo/
http://www.adsagainstapartheid.com/mbta-removes-pro-palestinian-ads-in-boston-without-notifying-ngo/
How about 1929? Your interesting theory is falling apart. There were no cages or blockades back then. Not even Irgun or Stern Gang, nevermind a Zionist state. Jews were protected by foreign countries back then, if that what you call protection. Too bad Assad wasn't around with his ba'athist approach.
Isreal have more than likely created another generation or two of Hamas.
Tip into Gaza for a week or two and take them on hand to hand on the ground and see how ye get on. Flying around in super fast war planes and using remote control planes dropping bombs left right and center on innocent people doesn't seem to be working and is wrong too, so you never know it could be worth a shot.
In retaliation, I'm never eating another schnitzel again as long as I live!
How about 1929? Your interesting theory is falling apart. There were no cages or blockades back then. Not even Irgun or Stern Gang, nevermind a Zionist state. Jews were protected by foreign countries back then, if that what you call protection. Too bad Assad wasn't around with his ba'athist approach.
Just because violence happens for other reasons as well doesn't mean that oppression doesn't cause it.
Besides wasn't Hebron a retaliation?
I'm sure more will pop up elsewhere.
So apparently Israel have a military court for minors. A 12 year old can get sentenced in this military court to prison. Nice work Israel.
We'll be back to square one as long as the Palestinian people do not replace their representatives with a more peaceful set.
We can go on for days and days arguing about what constitutes a proportionate response, but it is pointless if we don't agree on the very basic level of this dispute. There is no use discussing proportionality with characters like Ihab, who argues that attacking Israel is legitimate as long as it still exists. There is simply no point in arguing technicalities with him, and other proponents of the one-state solution.
And what would you call the people that are killing civilians because its more convenient for them ?
It really depends on the cost. we'd be talking about hundreds of lives. No government here would sacrifice for many soldiers, and rightfully so.
It makes a lot of sense. Unfortunately, sense doesn't always work. It certainly won't when we're talking about sending hunderds of soldiers to die.
Israel needs to so the same though. It's run by fanatics too. Smarter and better equipped ones.
You're wrong. Israeli government would love nothing more than to finish destrying the tunnels and getting the hell out of there. Not everyone in the government, but the ones who count.