We're the devil, Arabs. All Arabs. Good on you HR.
Israeli - Palestinian Conflict
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We're the devil, Arabs. All Arabs. Good on you HR.
Well said.
Wrong. I am of the opinion that both people should be allowed to live in their independent nation states as long as peaceful co-existence is guaranteed with no further claims.
Hamas is the democratic choice of the Palestinian people. I'll gladly hold fire if the 1.8 million innocents use the next ceasfire to go and pluck Hamas leaders from their tunnels, tie them to motorbikes and ride the main boulevard Gaza-style.
It's over and done with. And if Hamas used it to capture a soldier, it's not coming back.
Guys, lets stop swapping things
But I didn't say that, did I? I was referring to Pogue's post about the treatment of minorities.
Good. Ihab got us started, and now you're here suggesting what we need is a Saddam or Assad. At last this conversation gets constructive.
Before I do, why does the Tantoura one stands out as "allegations"?
Where have I suggested that?
I'm simply rubbishing your claim that Arab Christians and Muslims can't peacefully co-exist.
You have some fecking stamina on you.. ffs
I jinxed it didn't I?
Israeli soldier abducted, if true this could go to the next level of ugliness.
Israeli soldier abducted, if true this could go to the next level of ugliness.
Read them. And ask questions after.
Surprised it lasted as long as it did.
Is it not possible for Israel to just use ground forces to attack target areas and lessen civilian casualties?
It is, but at a far higher cost to soldiers lives. When anything goes as far as the terrorists and they are willing to use homes and schools for their purposes, you just can't differentiate.
Discussing the history and various claims of homelands and inheritance in the region is interesting, but a bit pointless. The reality is that Israel is now firmly established as a Jewish state and will not be giving up that hard won fact.
All the history just clouds the picture and makes everyone bitter. Best to just move forward as best we can from the actual reality of the situation as it stands.
All the history just clouds the picture and makes everyone bitter. Best to just move forward as best we can from the actual reality of the situation as it stands.
Correct.
Why risk Israelis? Kill Palestinians from above.
Calls for sacrificing Israeli Arab and Druze soldiers have been in full throttle from some of my jewish "friends" on facebook (all of them "unfriended" now) since the first Israeli casualties. I've seen a lot of people actually say that. With the Druze feeling a little bit saddened but blame a "racist minority in the jewish community".
It will... Israel can't get out of Gaza before this is over, and Hamas of course will not let him go before demanding the release of god knows how many terrorists we have in prison.
Terrorist is just a word that is convenient to you. Political prisoners.
I don't think my neighbor is inferior in any way. My neighbor has/had a choice to make, and he made the wrong one. This is unfortunate for all of us. I wish they get another chance, but I doubt there are peaceful alternatives in this current climate.
We've concluded within a dozen posts that yours/Kaos' alternative to a two-state solution is a Muslim-majority state with a Saddam-style ruler. Are you for real?
I appreciate that, but surely that goes with the territory of being a soldier. I think it's just hard for people not directly involved in the conflict to understand bombing schools, hospitals etc from above in the hope/expectation that you'll kill a terrorist or two amongst the civilian casualties.
Surely every person that loses an innocent sibling, parent or friend today could become tomorrow's enemy.
Who said that? I want a democracy, one better than we have now in Israel. Your problem is that the Prime Minister or the leading party won't be Jewish.
In many of those countries, Muslims are just as much persecuted, if not more than their Christian compatriots. That's down to the autocratic nature of the regimes - e.g. in places like Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and Pakistan, Shia and Ahmadi Muslims are treated worse than Christians.
Its also no surprise countries like Iraq and Syria are going to be high up that list now considering infestations of Al Qaeda elements (which have ironically been caused by 'Christian' nations).
But as someone who has lived in an Arab country I stand by my point - Muslims and Christians have historically co-existed peacefully. The early Palestinian resistance had Christian figureheads.
Again - when have I ever alluded to that? Lets not put words into my mouth now.
Seems like the capture news are real. Hamas now got what they wanted, the death toll is propaganda nonsense. Now the pressure is on Israel. I really hope everything stops soon, this is too much to take.
You have both of us telling him that twice. He's not interested in listening.
If we give even one more than those captured in this round then Bibi should go. Targetted killing of Hamas leaders is the way to go. Limited civilian casualties.
they co-exist as long as it fits the brutal dictator's policy. There is no such thing as a liberal Arab democracy, and you'll excuse me and fellow Jews who would pass on the opportunity to participate in preliminary experiments. Those in Gaza and Egypt failed miserably.
What death toll?
The human shield toll.
Swap Jewish with Zionist too. Thanks
Getting harder to find non-Zionist Jews in Israel though. They exist but they are so few that many forget that we still have to distinguish.
How refreshing it is to see growing numbers of non-Jews sympathetic to the Zionist cause, though.
There's never been such thing because any attempt of an Arab secular movement energising have been quashed by the West, choosing to empower extremist elements instead to antagonise any attempts at nationalisation and autonomy.
And no it doesn't take a brutal dictator to enforce harmony between religions. Iraq's democratic government for example, albeit sectarian, has not been oppressive towards Christians. Majority of Syrians support a secular state and reject the FSA's sectarian mantra - without or without Assad. Christians are in power sharing agreements with Muslim parties in the Lebanese parliament. Thousands of Muslims in Iraq held rallies for the Christians suffering under ISIS as well as in other parts of the world - I went to one in London last weekend.
Israel isn't a liberal democracy either.
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Must be nice.. did you ever have a conversation with one?
IhabX7 seems to be posting his anti Israel/Zionst views FROM ISRAEL without secret police banging his door down.
Thats the big difference here.
A nation with institutionalized racism and one that employs methods like secretely sterilising black Jews is not a liberal democracy.