Does anyone know of any BALANCED videos/articles that I can watch/read as I don't feel I understand the issue as well as I would like to.
Israeli - Palestinian Conflict
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Something else interesting I read recently here.
Two very heartfelt and articulate yet opposing views in an exchange of letters between Brian Eno and a friend.
The moderate Jewish point of view is particularly well made and a good history lesson for anyone, like me, who is getting sucked into this debate with only a mediocre grasp of middle eastern history and politics.
Two very heartfelt and articulate yet opposing views in an exchange of letters between Brian Eno and a friend.
The moderate Jewish point of view is particularly well made and a good history lesson for anyone, like me, who is getting sucked into this debate with only a mediocre grasp of middle eastern history and politics.
Good timing! See link above.
Thanks!
What a bigot. Respect to Youssef for being able to take that crap. I would've exploded. If you want to have a debate, then by all means please do. But don't invite people onto your show only to insult them and cut them off.
wow. I don't watch Fox news. That was so wrong. This world we live in is so messed up.
I thought you would have wanted them to be arrested and maybe given a fair trial etc, but you'd kinda just speed it all up a bit and cut off their heads.
Nothing alien about Jews in their homeland, but that's irrelvant now. We're trying to discuss a viable option for stability given that neither side is going to disappear.
Ideally, yes. Just as Arbas would like the opposite. not going to happen. Way forward?
Not easy at all, as you well know.
Why bother? Pick a side a spout some crap. This is exactly the thread to do that and remain unnoticed.
That was brilliant. Hannity and the Goebbels News network are an embarrassment to the integrity of journalism.
Your approach to life is very traditional, isn't it?
You forgot to remind him to pls include the daily quota of insults (nazis, cancer, scum) in case he picks the anti-Zionist side.
He actually summed the entire "debate" up pretty well when he talked about looking for a solution vs looking for a verdict. Refreshingly insightful from ol' horsey.
We're still waiting on the definition of Zionist, aren't we?
I wonder what's the mods' stance on the disproportionate use of insults here.
Its nothing to do with picking a side. It doesn't take someone with a brain to see thousands of innocent people being killed by a nation that is far superior to them due to the backing/military advancements it has compared to a nation that has no international backing and which the world is just standing and watching these innocent people being slaughtered and treated like animals in a cage whilst doing nothing.
You are brainwashed because it is your job. I get that. Too much pride and not seeing the bigger picture.
Thousands of innocents? Based on "available data"?
You know you're on to something when Joey Barton and Russel Brand are on the other side of the argument. Russel Brand was laughably shallow here (as usual). Of course using civilians as human shields is as simplistic as walking around with children strapped to your arm and saying that Hamas hide their missiles and tunnels among civilians, when it's the reality, leads to some kind of inhumane genocide on the part of the Israelis.
The argument that countries with fewer resources are going to use whatever tactic they can to win simply isn't true and wouldn't justify the immorality of what Hamas is doing even if the principle was generally true. It also assumes Israel is the aggressor. If, for example, Israel was invading Gaza to conquer it, then you might be able to paint a scenario where immoral practices by the resourceless resistance could be conceived of and expected but this is not the case here. Hamas don't have to fight Israel. All Hamas have to do is stop building tunnels and firing missiles on Israel. That's it. If they show themselves capable of that then there wouldn't be an occupation.
Counting the casualties on either side and then stating the loss on Israel's side is the equivalent to somebody being pricked with a pin is the opposite of a high regard for human life. While there is the threat of more of her civilians being killed by Hamas rockets and tunnel attacks then Israel is quite right to defend herself. Anything less is inhumane and irresponsible.
Apart from the criticism of Hannity's interviewing style, what was there to like about this display from Brand? Where's the substance?
That is such a tragic thing to say. You really are deluded friend.
I would be interested to hear the source of the figure you just posted.
Out of curiosity, how would you describe Israel's regard for human life?
HR is losing it. הכיבוש משחית.
A healthy dose of ethnocentrism in any society will change the way the people within it value the lives of others. That's why you rarely see anyone question whether eliminating rocket supplies where they have been allegedly stored in hospitals and schools was the right call, rather they move to justifying. They do not ask for proof if there were rockets there, or if it was worth killing those civilians - even if the rockets were unlikely to kill any of their own. By being Palestinian, by being on the side of Hamas, they become legitimate targets to the IDF.
Though you feel dignified when the likes of Sean Hannity, Fox News and Glenn Beck are fighting your corner? Such impartial integrity. Say what you want about Brand or even Barton, but they're hardly pushing out an agenda - you'd assume that they're coming from a position of impartiality. Can't exactly say the same for Faux News.
That's very good. Only thing missing from the response (which I think is very balanced and nicely written) is why Palestinian Arabs would want to accept a two state solution back in 1948? and why wouldn't they have a right for self-determination? Why are the atrocities committed by Europeans should be dealt with on their account. Other than that it really is a must read for everyone on here.
I think you're supposed to take the insults and tolerate them, really. You being a secular democracy and all that, expectations are much higher
.Yeah, nail hit on the head. Sadly there might not be many who are actually working for the former.
Shocking really.
Just realised there are only approximately 1500 Christians living in Gaza. Does this number even fulfill the criteria of being listed as a religious minority?
I think I am; I am seeing somebody's scribble on my computer screen and I have no idea what it means.
The UN admitted the rockets were "found" there, and that they were then handed "back" to Hamas.
I think you're supposed to take the insults and tolerate them, really. You being a secular democracy and all that, expectations are much higher
Poor Fearless, got a public bollocking for calling them beasts...the cancerous cnut
That's racist.
What's racist?
Hi mate, Channel 4, especially Jon Snow is fantastic. Very balanced in my opinion, he just wants peace. Tells is to the Israel PM how it is, tells it to Hamas spokespeople how it is. He went into Palestine himself to interview suffering people. He's a true journalist.
What is the issue with the word Zionist? I may be being totally ignorant but is it not a person who believes in Israel as the jewish homeland?
I'll read back for the insulting context, but could you please report these issues you have rather than make vague allegations?
edit - saw it and he got a warning/infraction. It'd be simpler if you just reported it.
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Poor Fearless, got a public bollocking for calling them beasts...the cancerous cnut
Less of the cancer nonsense please.
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http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/ori...christians-father-gabriel-nadaf-identity.html
The Forum to Promote the Enlistment of the Christian Community was created in 2012 by Father Gabriel Nadaf of Nazareth. In 2013, it received the endorsement of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. The forum takes the position that Christians are an integral part of the State of Israel, and as such, should participate in the country’s defense and development like other sectors of the population as an equal right and equal responsibility.
Those in the mainstream Arab community who regard the forum and the enlistment effort as part of a plot by the government to drive a wedge between Christian and Muslim Arabs are hostile toward the aspiration of some Christians in Israel to identify as Arameans rather than Arabs. Some have used violence and threats in expressing their opposition. In addition Arab Knesset members and public figures have spoken out sharply against the initiative to enlist Christian Arabs in the IDF, and a few are suspected of being behind threats and incitement.
At a May 21 Knesset Interior Committee meeting to discuss the incitement and violence surrounding the issue, Knesset member Basel Ghattas of the Balad Party strongly and intensely condemned the spiritual leader of the enlistment movement (Nadaf), calling him a “traitor,” “scum” and a “Shin Bet operative.” Ghattas prevented the priest from speaking until he was expelled from the meeting.
On May 10, “wanted” posters began making the rounds on social networks, offering a steep reward for the heads of Nadaf, the Orthodox priest of the village of Yafia and Nazareth and Shadi Halul, the forum spokesman and a captain (res.) in the paratrooper corps. Beyond verbal threats, there have also been physical attacks. In December 2013, a young man active in the Israeli Arab Hadash Party attacked Nadaf’s minor son with a stick, bruising his hands and arms. The previous year, while Father Andreas Alamia met with Sar-Shalom Jerbi, director of the Israeli Civilian National Service, his tires were slashed, and a bloody rag was hung on the door of his home.
Such actions by the majority appear to be a demand that the minority within it remain silent, because its opinions challenge the majority’s desire. Insistence that Christian Arabs show loyalty to a Palestinian Arab ethos, lest they be considered traitors, resembles demands by some Jews to Noam Chomsky, George Soros, J Street and others not to criticize Israel out of loyalty to the Jewish people. The demand of Christians to call themselves Arameans is as legitimate as the right of any other group to self-determination and freedom of expression.
At the end of his article, Mansour rightfully asserts that the real test will be the actual full integration of Christians in Israeli society, so in closing, here are some optimistic figures. According to data provided by the Central Bureau of Statistics, the percentage of people eligible for a high school diploma among Christian Arabs (64%) is among the highest in Israel. The percentage of Arabic-speaking Christians who meet the requirements to pursue further academic study is higher than that among all segments of society combined. The percentage of female Christian Arab students in academia is much higher than the percentages of other segments. The number of medical students among the Arabic-speaking Christian population is three times their percentage among the general population.
Yes, there is certainly room for improvement, but things are definitely going in the right direction.
Calling someone cancerous is pretty tasteless, but to label a group of people as 'beasts' is bordering on bigotry no?
He couldn't possibly be talking to me in another language with no explanation... That would surely go against somebody's rules somewhere... He isn't just adding strange scribblings to the end of his posts?
Cheers mate, you just saying he's a good reporter? Or is there anything I can take a look at on 4od?