That's a good start. People here need to know, because they're under rocket fire and tunnel threat. Not knowing is not a good strategy.
Israeli - Palestinian Conflict
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That's a good start. People here need to know, because they're under rocket fire and tunnel threat. Not knowing is not a good strategy.
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Ironically, nothing.
The level of condemnation (putting aside the rights/wrongs) that exists now could arguably provide an umbrella for the IDF to go in even harder. They feel they have a deficit in terms of matching the over the top criticism/propaganda, so - what the hell.
But it better be a proportionate amount of flowers.
As bad as they were they didn't know exactly what they were hitting, Isreal with all its sophisticated weapomry do, when those 4 kids were blown up on the beach Israel knew exactly who it was hitting
Isreal has its soundbites, so do the Palestinians
That's what John Snow was saying last night. I find it very hard to believe. We've all seen the sort of footage you get from drones and spy planes. It doesn't look anything like the kind of quality of pictures you need to tell you "exactly" what you're looking at. I would say it's impossible to tell the difference between adults and reasonably tall children, for example.
I also find it very hard to believe that whoever blew the trigger decided that it was in Israel's interests to blow up unarmed kids playing hide and seek beside a beach. Obviouly, that's not to condone anything that happened but it does weaken the critical argument when people imply that there is mens rea in every single civilian death. Much more likely that the intent was genuinely to target "terrorists" and civilian casualties are seen as inevitable and unavoidable collateral damage. Obviously, that's still reprehensible but morally quite different to deliberately targetting children.
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Also at least four Israelis dead following a mortar shell bombing.
Sam Harris on Israel, in memory of Saliph.
http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/why-dont-i-criticize-israel
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http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/why-dont-i-criticize-israel
He calls this a defensive war, he calss Hamas the agressors, he pretends that Isreals settlements are for its security. He hasn't a clue
I have my doubts over the settlements, but Hamas are very much the aggressors. And they continue to be even now with rocket fire which might put pressure on the Israeli government not to end the operation.
He also says it shouldn't exist as a Jewish state. So take that!
Only racists would support its existance as a Jewish state
The world must be quite racist then, as only 32 of 200 odd nations don't recognize or deal with them.
What a sense of irony you have.
As a Jewish state?
Looks like this whole things will wind down soon, once Hamas run out of rockets.
Sorry to be the to be the bringer of bad news but..... the world is incredibly racist, nationalist, tribal. Personal interests, which are usually financially motivated will always trump human rights and individual suffering. Palestine is no different to numerous atrocities happening across the globe at this present moment. If anything Israel gets a huge amount of bad press for its behaviour, while other incidents are ignored by the mainstream media.
I agree with you. Why do you think that's the case ? Excessive sympathy towards Palestinians in contrast to say, Syrians and others going through civil wars around the world? Historical racism towards Jews ?
Assad, amongst other mass-murderers, must be having a field day knowing that the relative spat of Gaza keeps him out of the headlines.
He can thank Putin for that as well.
What follows? The people of Gaza imprisoned for another 2 years?
Thats why you must hope Hamas are removed now.
There is no other option. That much - even to you - is clear.
They might run out of rockets but I can't see how that's enough for anything. Israel can't simply get out of Gaza and give them another two years to retool. And I'm not even talking about the tunnels. Not all have been found and destroyed either, as shown by the terrorists getting past the border again.
Isn't it just because it's more long-standing? The narrative is established and well understood. That and the clear influence of American foreign policy on the balance of power between Israel and Palestine. All of the above means western media will have a far greater interest in events in Gaza than in, for example, Syria.
The idea that anti-semitism is behind all the coverage doesn't really stand up to scrutiny.
Fatah are making great strides towards freedom in the West Bank aren't they?
I am not Jewish, but can not help being an admirer of Israel, and what its people have been able to achieve in such a short period of time, considering the horrors so many of its people had to endure. It pains me that the Palestinian issue can not be resolved in a peaceful way.
Seeing civilians being killed along with the levels of damage is horrific, and I do not think it will do Israel any favours in terms of peace. I believe it only acts as fuel for Hamas and future conflict.
But demonizing "the jews" as some are, and ignoring Syria, Tibet, Thailand, Burma, etc etc, is hypocritical. People are also quick to forget not all Israeli's are in favour of this level of response and many I speak to are just as outraged at the casualties as I am.
As for Hamas, they seem oblivious to the Palestinian suffering,(the point of firing rockets is?) and seem to have their own perverse agenda.
Hard to say, although its unlikely the Israelis are going to be in the mood to negotiate much after this latest flare up.
Seems to be heavy Israeli casualties tonight. In the last couple of days it seemed it might die down - terrible wording - but this isn't about to end.
Their strategy is quite clear. They are banking on maximum death and destruction to gain international sympathy towards the cause. That said, the conflict will soon end with little progress on either side, plus well over a thousand dead. In that sense, its a failed strategy.
This thread is 4 years old, you might recall the orignal title, you started it didn't you? This flair up is not stopping Israel from negotiating, Israel was never intrested in the first place
Seeing as the rockets aren't working, what sort of workable solution would you propose ?
We'll see how this ends before deciding if the rockets have worked or not
Highly doubtful they will. Just look at what their use has resulted in so far. 1000 Palestinians dead and no policy change.
There's no way this ends with the people of Gaza imprisoned indefinately
Out of curiosity, what precisely has come good for Palestinians since Hamas came to power in 06 ? Their ways seem to have hardened the Israelis and made them want to crack down more rather than negotiate.
Not alot, but the entirety of Gaza will be theres if a state ever happens.
Now answer me, what have Fatah achived towards a lasting peace by working with Isreal?
Now answer me, what have Fatah achived towards a lasting peace by working with Isreal?