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[ScholesyTheWise]

Am I the one being referenced when you say "Someone who lives in Israel who blamed the Palestinians as a whole for the conflict"?
because I said that I wish death on Hamas fighters, and understand why they wish death on me?

If so, I'm a bit lost for words by the twisting of my intentions.
and it makes me not want to take part in a thread that is very very hard to participate in, for obvious reasons.


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.... Found out from the internet that my in-law cousin died yesterday in the city of Sderot, in a battle with the lovely Hamas gentlemen.
Don't deserve any more or less sympathy than anyone else who has or will lose family members in this shitty war.
Hurts like mad.


On yet another note,

I heard from friends whose words I trust, that there are videos of kidnapped Israeli women paraded in Gaza with very obvious blood stains from their private parts. Wouldn't surprise me if the rape claims are true. All the while there have also been numerous testimonies of Hamas people letting women and children go or not hurting them in the first place while murdering their parents. Looks to me like some of them respected the Islamic view by which you can't touch these populations, and others didn't.

About what may or may not have been done to dead babies, I'm yet to meet someone who claims to have watched pics or videos of it, and I refer to it as bullshit misinformation until I learn otherwise. I'm not asking around though, they very thought of it is filthy.

 

[Roane]

Eh? Abit off topic but I don't recall Israeli troops helping the Iranians during the Iran-Iraq war. Only time the Iraqis and Israelis have been in direct confrontation in recent decades is when the Israelis blew up Saddam's nuclear facilities and when Saddam unprovokedly bombed Israel during the Gulf War to tempt the opposing Arab nations to switch sides.

Somebody provided links and quotes earlier on this thread.

I had seen pics and documents a few years back. A sort of release after the whole so much time has passed.

Iraqs air power would have had an overnight victory. However ground to air missiles provided by Israel with Israel offering training on there usage has been verified. Even pics of Israeli soldiers using the equipment.

 

[2cents]

Oh I'm well aware of that. Just first time I'm hearing they had boots on the ground fighting Iraqi soldiers.

Oh sorry I missed that qualifier.

 

[The Corinthian]

Are people on redcafe writing the news now?
Her mother says she has serious head injuries, going by the video her limbs didn't look to be at very natural angles, while she was apparently driven around so people could shout Allahu Akbar and spit on her body and now she's being used as a bargaining chip by "good guys" Hamas.

Most news organisations are reporting her alive - and reputable ones. What news can you provide that says otherwise?

She was on the truck with 8 Hamas soldiers, naked and looked dead. Why would they let a hostage to a hospital elsewhere when she can be an important part of a hostage trade?

As above - can you provide news that says otherwise?

 

[Kaos]

She was on the truck with 8 Hamas soldiers, naked and looked dead. Why would they let a hostage to a hospital elsewhere when she can be an important part of a hostage trade?

Where exactly is a hospital elsewhere? The Gaza strip is tiny and there's only so many hospitals, many, if not most run by non-partisan international organisations and charities.

 

[Simbo]

Do you think Hamas owns and runs every building in Gaza? There's MSF hospitals there. There's UN run hospitals there. You're showing your ignorance here.

I'm blaming you for making me watch the video again, shtop.

 

[JagUTD]

I know it's unlikely but I don't see why it's funny. Self preservation comes into play eventually and it may be their best short term option.

 

[Drizzle]

Don't believe this, hamas are cooking and eating babies.

Are you seriously minimising what Hamas did? They literally slaughtered 1000 civilians in cold blood, taking celebratory videos, abducting children. And you seize on one account where they didn't as the truth because it fits your worldview.

 

[zaafi]

Most news organisations are reporting her alive - and reputable ones. What news can you provide that says otherwise?


As above - can you provide news that says otherwise?

I'm not saying she is dead, but the source I have the information from is Bild who says she is in a Hamas controlled hospital. Bit contradictory here, no? You believe the newspapers that report her alive, but not their information regarding where she is?

 

[Kaos]

Am I the one being referenced when you say "Someone who lives in Israel who blamed the Palestinians as a whole for the conflict"?
because I said that I wish death on Hamas fighters, and understand why they wish death on me?

If so, I'm a bit lost for words by the twisting of my intentions.
and it makes me not want to take part in a thread that is very very hard to participate in, for obvious reasons.


_______________________________________________________________________

.... Found out from the internet that my in-law cousin died yesterday in the city of Sderot, in a battle with the lovely Hamas gentlemen.
Don't deserve any more or less sympathy than anyone else who has or will lose family members in this shitty war.
Hurts like mad.


On yet another note,

I heard from friends whose words I trust, that there are videos of kidnapped Israeli women paraded in Gaza with very obvious blood stains from their private parts. Wouldn't surprise me if the rape claims are true. All the while there have also been numerous videos of Hamas people letting women and children go or not hurting them in the first place while murdering their parents. Looks to me like some of them respected the Islamic view by which you can't touch these populations, and others didn't.

About what may or may not have been done to dead babies, I'm yet to meet someone who claims to have watched pics or videos of it, and I refer to it as bullshit misinformation until I learn otherwise. I'm not asking around though, they very thought of it is filthy.

Really sorry to hear about your loss

Stay safe mate.

 

[do.ob]

Most news organisations are reporting her alive - and reputable ones. What news can you provide that says otherwise?

You're the one sharing quality tweets about media disinfo, so you tell me which ones got it wrong.

 

[groovyalbert]

Most news organisations are reporting her alive - and reputable ones. What news can you provide that says otherwise?


As above - can you provide news that says otherwise?

Dead or alive, hopefully the latter, she was being treated worse than an animal in the videos documenting her war-crime capture.

 

[zaafi]

Where exactly is a hospital elsewhere? The Gaza strip is tiny and there's only so many hospitals, many, if not most run by non-partisan international organisations and charities.

I really don't know. The newspaper Bild says she is in a Hamas controlled hospital. I assume they have some information.

 

[Amir]

Oh bollocks I confused you for @Amir who lives in Israel

Well, I survived as well. So far

 

[The Corinthian]

I'm not saying she is dead, but the source I have the information from is Bild who says she is in a Hamas controlled hospital. Bit contradictory here, no? You believe the newspapers that report her alive, but not their information regarding where she is?

I'm not German so correct me if I'm mistaken, but isn't the equivalent of it (using the UK) like the Sun or the Mirror?

In any case - I haven't read the Bild article, and am yet to see other news sources say it's a Hamas run hospital. In any case I'd rather be hopeful that she's alive and has the possibility of being reunited with her family than not.

 

[Murder on Zidanes Floor]

That girl had a pretty clear gunshot wound to the back of her head. Someone is playing a cruel game with her mother.

She had blood on her head. Also didn't the mother say she had spoken to her daughter?

 

[Roane]

Oh I'm well aware of that. Just first time I'm hearing they had boots on the ground fighting Iraqi soldiers.

There are a few sources saying up to 100 Israelis kept "hidden" in Tehran providing training etc

 

[2cents]

There are a few sources saying up to 100 Israelis kept "hidden" in Tehran providing training etc

Any chance you could post links to these sources? Goes for your posts on here generally.

 

[NYAS]

I have family members who were killed and tortured by Saddam’s men during this occupation. Please don’t post tweets implying that it wasn’t brutal.

 

[Badunk]

Am I the one being referenced when you say "Someone who lives in Israel who blamed the Palestinians as a whole for the conflict"?
because I said that I wish death on Hamas fighters, and understand why they wish death on me?

If so, I'm a bit lost for words by the twisting of my intentions.
and it makes me not want to take part in a thread that is very very hard to participate in, for obvious reasons.


_______________________________________________________________________

.... Found out from the internet that my in-law cousin died yesterday in the city of Sderot, in a battle with the lovely Hamas gentlemen.
Don't deserve any more or less sympathy than anyone else who has or will lose family members in this shitty war.
Hurts like mad.


On yet another note,

I heard from friends whose words I trust, that there are videos of kidnapped Israeli women paraded in Gaza with very obvious blood stains from their private parts. Wouldn't surprise me if the rape claims are true. All the while there have also been numerous testimonies of Hamas people letting women and children go or not hurting them in the first place while murdering their parents. Looks to me like some of them respected the Islamic view by which you can't touch these populations, and others didn't.

About what may or may not have been done to dead babies, I'm yet to meet someone who claims to have watched pics or videos of it, and I refer to it as bullshit misinformation until I learn otherwise. I'm not asking around though, they very thought of it is filthy.

No. It was a poster in the newbies who was being quoted by someone else.

 

[JPRouve]

Am I the one being referenced when you say "Someone who lives in Israel who blamed the Palestinians as a whole for the conflict"?
because I said that I wish death on Hamas fighters, and understand why they wish death on me?

If so, I'm a bit lost for words by the twisting of my intentions.
and it makes me not want to take part in a thread that is very very hard to participate in, for obvious reasons.


_______________________________________________________________________

.... Found out from the internet that my in-law cousin died yesterday in the city of Sderot, in a battle with the lovely Hamas gentlemen.
Don't deserve any more or less sympathy than anyone else who has or will lose family members in this shitty war.
Hurts like mad.


On yet another note,

I heard from friends whose words I trust, that there are videos of kidnapped Israeli women paraded in Gaza with very obvious blood stains from their private parts. Wouldn't surprise me if the rape claims are true. All the while there have also been numerous testimonies of Hamas people letting women and children go or not hurting them in the first place while murdering their parents. Looks to me like some of them respected the Islamic view by which you can't touch these populations, and others didn't.

About what may or may not have been done to dead babies, I'm yet to meet someone who claims to have watched pics or videos of it, and I refer to it as bullshit misinformation until I learn otherwise. I'm not asking around though, they very thought of it is filthy.

I believe that it was someone else that was targetted, you can see it 10 pages ago.

But more importantly I'm sorry for your loss. Stay safe and keep faith.

 

[JagUTD]

Am I the one being referenced when you say "Someone who lives in Israel who blamed the Palestinians as a whole for the conflict"?
because I said that I wish death on Hamas fighters, and understand why they wish death on me?

If so, I'm a bit lost for words by the twisting of my intentions.
and it makes me not want to take part in a thread that is very very hard to participate in, for obvious reasons.


_______________________________________________________________________

.... Found out from the internet that my in-law cousin died yesterday in the city of Sderot, in a battle with the lovely Hamas gentlemen.
Don't deserve any more or less sympathy than anyone else who has or will lose family members in this shitty war.
Hurts like mad.


On yet another note,

I heard from friends whose words I trust, that there are videos of kidnapped Israeli women paraded in Gaza with very obvious blood stains from their private parts. Wouldn't surprise me if the rape claims are true. All the while there have also been numerous testimonies of Hamas people letting women and children go or not hurting them in the first place while murdering their parents. Looks to me like some of them respected the Islamic view by which you can't touch these populations, and others didn't.

About what may or may not have been done to dead babies, I'm yet to meet someone who claims to have watched pics or videos of it, and I refer to it as bullshit misinformation until I learn otherwise. I'm not asking around though, they very thought of it is filthy.

A sombre reminder of the very real effects for some as we bicker back and forth.

Sorry for your loss.

 

[Amir]

I consider myself left wing. I believe Israel has been doing absolutely atrocious things to the Palestenians. I believe Israel is an apartheid state. I hate to see innocent people hurt or die, on either side. I've been horrified so many times by stories about what the IDF or settler bastards been doing.

But after everything I've seen in Israel in recent days, the massacre and carnage of my countrymen, the families destroyed, the many people who still live in the impossibly terrible unknown because they haven't been told yet if their loved ones are alive or dead, if their bodies have been found in Israel or if they are likely to be captured by Hamas (possibly alive, possibly dead)... After I've seen the evilness, then for the first time in my life I can't bring myself to care at all about what's going on in Gaza. Bombs away as far as I am concerned.

I'm only human.

 

[do.ob]

She had blood on her head. Also didn't the mother say she had spoken to her daughter?

In the 40 something second video I've seen the mother says that she "now has further information that [her daughter] is alive".

 

[VorZakone]

 

[Simbo]

She had blood on her head. Also didn't the mother say she had spoken to her daughter?

Not in the translation I saw, she just says "We have further information my daughter is alive, she has a serious head wound and is in critical condition". We can hope with her for a miracle I suppose.

 

[Roane]

Any chance you could post links to these sources? Goes for your posts on here generally.

Quick Google, just for you

Despite all the speeches of Iranian leaders and the denunciation of Israel at Friday prayers, there were never less than around one hundred Israeli advisers and technicians in Iran at any time throughout the war, living in a carefully guarded and secluded camp just north of Tehran, where they remained even after the ceasefire.

Bulloch, John, The Gulf War : Its Origins, History and Consequences by John Bulloch and Harvey Morris, London : Methuen London, 1989, p.17

 

[VorZakone]

 

[Murder on Zidanes Floor]

So the story continues...they have to absolutely get this right.

Welcome to twitter, where a cnut faced megalomaniac with a nonce father and ties to Epstein, buys a social media platform and guts it of its ability to tackle disinformation.

Truly end times.

Just seen a video of a soldier with a guy, shooting into a room of dead bodies.

They claim it's Palestinians killing Jewish people, others claim it's IDF killing Palestinians, how can you ever tell??

 

[VorZakone]

Welcome to twitter, where a cnut faced megalomaniac with a nonce father and ties to Epstein, buys a social media platform and guts it of its ability to tackle disinformation.

Truly end times.

Just seen a video of a soldier with a guy, shooting into a room of dead bodies.

They claim it's Palestinians killing Jewish people, others claim it's IDF killing Palestinians, how can you ever tell??

But...I posted a CBS News tweet?

 

[Murder on Zidanes Floor]

Really sorry to hear about your loss

Stay safe mate.

Amen brother @ScholesyTheWise

 

[sullydnl]

Welcome to twitter, where a cnut faced megalomaniac with a nonce father and ties to Epstein, buys a social media platform and guts it of its ability to tackle disinformation.

Truly end times.

Just seen a video of a soldier with a guy, shooting into a room of dead bodies.

They claim it's Palestinians killing Jewish people, others claim it's IDF killing Palestinians, how can you ever tell??

Yep, really noticing the damage done to twitter with this event. Not just because blue ticks are completely worthless now, but also the decision to remove headline information from tweets. So hard to verify sources or images/videos.

 

[Murder on Zidanes Floor]

But...I posted a CBS News tweet?

I mean the constant movement of the story. I've seen major media figures in the UK repeat the 40 beheadings based off one journalist.

 

[ScholesyTheWise]

No. It was a poster in the newbies who was being quoted by someone else.

I believe that it was someone else that was targetted, you can see it 10 pages ago.

But more importantly I'm sorry for your loss. Stay safe and keep faith.

Thanks for clarifying.

Can't keep faith. really can't.

I didn't care enough about Bibi all those months ago when people started demonstrating against his hideous government like mad.
I lived my own little life and was saying to myself that any politician who'll replace him will be just another self-preserving liar.

but the happenings in the last couple of days made the penny drop big time.

I find myself wishing the most horrible things happening to him.
remember we have this Caf policy of not wishing injuries on rival players, even if they're Luis Suarez or Neil Ruddock?
Nah. feck that.

I dreamed yesterday, from the very little I could sleep, that I assassinated him somehow with one of those long sniper rifles.

I'm used to hating Hammas and feeling really really sorry for Palestinian citizens without doing much about it in real life.
That sort of a given.

But I'm not sure I ever felt such a strong hatred towards anyone in my life.

 

[Pintu]

 

[pratyush_utd]

Welcome to twitter, where a cnut faced megalomaniac with a nonce father and ties to Epstein, buys a social media platform and guts it of its ability to tackle disinformation.

Truly end times.

Just seen a video of a soldier with a guy, shooting into a room of dead bodies.

They claim it's Palestinians killing Jewish people, others claim it's IDF killing Palestinians, how can you ever tell??

To be honest, Twitter was always quite a horrible place for getting news during any conflict. But yes this is worse than Ukraine Russia conflict. I have seen same videos on different handle with “blue check marks” claiming opposite stuff

 

[Murder on Zidanes Floor]

I consider myself left wing. I believe Israel has been doing absolutely atrocious things to the Palestenians. I believe Israel is an apartheid state. I hate to see innocent people hurt or die, on either side. I've been horrified so many times by stories about what the IDF or settler bastards been doing.

But after everything I've seen in Israel in recent days, the massacre and carnage of my countrymen, the families destroyed, the many people who still live in the impossibly terrible unknown because they haven't been told yet if their loved ones are alive or dead, if their bodies have been found in Israel or if they are likely to be captured by Hamas (possibly alive, possibly dead)... After I've seen the evilness, then for the first time in my life I can't bring myself to care at all about what's going on in Gaza. Bombs away as far as I am concerned.

I'm only human.

I suppose I appreciate your honesty. Did you care about Gaza and bombs beforehand, I'd imagine not particularly.

I hope you and your family are safe.

 

[Kaos]

I have family members who were killed and tortured by Saddam’s men during this occupation. Please don’t post tweets implying that it wasn’t brutal.

The point is she admitted to fabricating a pretty morbid witness account. No one is doubting Saddam's brutality (trust me my family know all too well), but rather the authenticity of these accounts we hear, even today.

 

[The Corinthian]

I consider myself left wing. I believe Israel has been doing absolutely atrocious things to the Palestenians. I believe Israel is an apartheid state. I hate to see innocent people hurt or die, on either side. I've been horrified so many times by stories about what the IDF or settler bastards been doing.

But after everything I've seen in Israel in recent days, the massacre and carnage of my countrymen, the families destroyed, the many people who still live in the impossibly terrible unknown because they haven't been told yet if their loved ones are alive or dead, if their bodies have been found in Israel or if they are likely to be captured by Hamas (possibly alive, possibly dead)... After I've seen the evilness, then for the first time in my life I can't bring myself to care at all about what's going on in Gaza. Bombs away as far as I am concerned.

I'm only human.

Thanks for being so honest and open - I get where you're coming from and I think I'd feel the same if I were in your shoes (and Israeli). Yourself being left wing, and listing out all the atrocities that Israelis have committed before this weekend - do you see why a Palestinian could quite literally say the same thing you have but with Israel as the target instead of Gaza?

Because what you're feeling now - a new feeling, is something that's existed on the other side of the fence for decades.

It's a truly ugly, horrific situation for innocents on both sides.

 

[Simbo]

Welcome to twitter, where a cnut faced megalomaniac with a nonce father and ties to Epstein, buys a social media platform and guts it of its ability to tackle disinformation.

Truly end times.

Just seen a video of a soldier with a guy, shooting into a room of dead bodies.

They claim it's Palestinians killing Jewish people, others claim it's IDF killing Palestinians, how can you ever tell??

We live in information hell. Even on the video of that girl's mother you've got people saying "I'm German and can confirm that translation is false", then someone else saying "I speak German, translation is correct", then others suggesting the whole vid is AI generated, which is very possible. Either way BILD and whoever else quickly went to press with it.

Can't assume anything really without time and proper verification.