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Denis79 said:
There are good people everywhere, the same applies to Israeli, but it's important to note that this government did not come to power through force. The mistreatment of Arab civilians has been an ongoing issue, predating Netanyahu's leadership. Similarly, the establishment of illegal settlements began long before the current government. UN reports have labeled these actions as apartheid, illegal, and inhumane for many years, highlighting something long-standing.
I am Serbian, and during our civil war, we committed some truly horrible acts. When Western news outlets reported, "Serbs / Serbia did this or that," I never found it offensive, because it was true. I understand exactly who they are referring to when they say "Serbia or Serbs" The same applies to many conflicts, it's not "Nixon did this in Vietnam" but America did this and that, this list goes on and on.

Being instantly labeled an anti-Semite for simply criticizing Israel is a problem that needs to be addressed and I feel is a tool used, by those same racists you are talking about to quickly close an argument.
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Though you had more reason to be offended when "the Serbs" were generally labeled as war criminals, than when you state that the Israeli government or Netanjahu etc are committing a war crime. It's quite clear that you not talking about jews in general.

I think it's not only a tool to close an argument. It's explicitly used by racists and imperialists to drive their agenda on the back of a broad consensus that antisemitism is not tolerated. And they are taking full advantage of the fact, that we as descandants of the Nazis have an awkward relationship with Israel and are feeling it's our historical risponsability to unconditionally stand with Israel.
 
Sweet Square said:
If a ceasefire happens then it really highlights how evil the Biden and democrats have been on this

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Biden is the biggest non-Jewish zionist ever. His racism towards Arabs and Palestinians is unmatched. Nothing happened in the last 15 months would've been possible without him. The US has the blood of hundreds of thousands of people on their hands because of him.

That said as usual with Israel, I would wait for the ceasefire to be announced and to be implemented more importantly.
 
Idxomer said:


Biden is the biggest non-Jewish zionist ever. His racism towards Arabs and Palestinians is unmatched. Nothing happened in the last 15 months would've been possible without him. The US has the blood of hundreds of thousands of people on their hands because of him.

That said as usual with Israel, I would wait for the ceasefire to be announced and to be implemented more importantly.
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He's an awful human being no doubt, the fact that he's worse than Trump on this issue speaks volumes.
 
RedTiger said:
Rumours a ceasefire is about to happen.great timing, one week before the inauguration.
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Big win for Trump, particularly for his image outside of the US if this happens.
 
2mufc0 said:
He's an awful human being no doubt, the fact that he's worse than Trump on this issue speaks volumes.
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I'm not sure about this. For whatever reason - settlements? - Netanyahu may simply be willing to do things for Trump that he wouldn't with Biden in charge.
 
Adisa said:
The futility of it all.
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There does come a point during a conflict where people may join an armed group even if they disagree with its ideology to fight off the invader/occupier.

Not sure exactly when it sets in but probably somewhere along the way of having whole families wiped out, the territory’s entire population displaced or infrastructure destroyed.
 
Adisa said:
The futility of it all.
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Seeing your friends and family members slaughtered, your home blown up, starving, living day to day as if it's your last whilst bombs and bullets fly over your head that were aimed at you. What would anyone do in that situation? Either except death or fight back. Politics and ideology goes out of the window when you're in a fight for survival.
 
crappycraperson said:
If this is true and is proven by a ceasefire after Trump takes office, would the Dems who were bashing Muslims for either abstaining or voting for Trump acknowledge they were wrong.
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I'm sure Trump will screw Palestinians in many different ways but the idea that he would be worse specifically on Gaza was based on very little after what Biden had allowed to happen.
 
Just goes to show Biden was all in on the slaughter feck him and the Dems, they deserve the hiding they got, this ceasefire should have happened a long time ago.
 
Perhaps the one strategic outcome of this tragic war is the fall of Assad in Syria , and it seems more like a byproduct than a deliberate strategic objective. Beyond that, I see only tactical gains or losses here and there. What a sad waste of life, as so many wars tragically tend to be.

I just hope the Israelis don't go crazy and emboldened by Trump and try to officially annex the west bank in the coming months!
 
The west bank has unofficially been annexed a long time ago, have a look at the map how can there be any sovereign Palestinian state with all those Israeli settlements scattered around? There are 450k occupiers in the West Bank and 220k in east Jerusalem, nothing was done to stop this happening and nothing will be done to kick them out. There should be one state for all.
 
I avoid this thread for months. It had been too painful for me

I know that palestinians will keep getting screwed over. But I am so happy for this ceasefire

To all the people that kept saying that Trump would be worse than Biden and to all the ones that got mad when some were saying Genocide Joe....i just want to... lets leave it here.

That Trump, i know for self serving purposes, accomplished what Biden could accomplish anytime (apparently Israel can be reigned by US) says volumes of him and his administration. But yeah. Sure he had so many MWAD MWAD MWAD phone calls with netanyahu and all the complicit outlets.

Now to see the enexation of a chunk of gaza and see how they screw them over but at least they will spend a few nights without bombing
 
3 final days of non-stoppable bloodshed to kill as many Palestinians as they could.
 
All this really means is that Israel will go back to exterminating Palestinians at a slower rate.

Anything that brings even a moment of relief to the victims of this genocide is welcome. On a much smaller level, anything that brings even the slightest consternation to Ben Gvir, Netanyahu or any of these other stains on humanity is also welcome.

Oh, and this really can't be stressed enough, feck Joe Biden.
 
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Perhaps the one strategic outcome of this tragic war is the fall of Assad in Syria , and it seems more like a byproduct than a deliberate strategic objective. Beyond that, I see only tactical gains or losses here and there. What a sad waste of life, as so many wars tragically tend to be.

I just hope the Israelis don't go crazy and emboldened by Trump and try to officially annex the west bank in the coming months!
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Yeah, they already made genocide, but IF they go crazy, than shit is about to get real.
 


This is the second or third report like this I've seen. No idea if it's true, but if it is, the ceasefire will be dependent on Trump:
Paying attention to this issue after already declaring a win
Ignoring his secretary of state and other neocons who will reflexively blame Palestine
Resisting pressure from one of his biggest donors (Adelson)
Deciding that Israel's bombs are a personal affront to his dealmaking skills and presidential authority
Threatening Bibi with consequences

So basically I guess we have to hope these reports aren't true.
 
I have little hopes, to be honest. We are talking about Israel...and Trump. But at least hostages will be free and any day that someone doesn't die due bombings is something
 
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