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Didn't think an entire country could be summed up in one quote, until reading this:


There seems to be some uncertainty in the reporting here - is the carrot for the ceasefire, more chances for Israelis to kill Palestinians in the West Bank, Gaza, or both?
 
Didn't think an entire country could be summed up in one quote,
To substantiate that, we have:


From Google translate:
16% of the Israeli public (unclear if Jewish or total) want a center-left government that would include Arab parties.
The rest want a right wing govt with Bibi, Ben-Gvir, Smotrich.

7% of Israelis self-identify with the left, with worse numbers as you look at younger cohorts.
 
To substantiate that, we have:


From Google translate:
16% of the Israeli public (unclear if Jewish or total) want a center-left government that would include Arab parties.
The rest want a right wing govt with Bibi, Ben-Gvir, Smotrich.

7% of Israelis self-identify with the left, with worse numbers as you look at younger cohorts.

84% of the Israeli public wanting a right-wing government with Netanyahu, Ben Gvir, and Smitrich would wildly contradict pretty much every poll I’ve seen since 7 October 2023.
 
To substantiate that, we have:


From Google translate:
16% of the Israeli public (unclear if Jewish or total) want a center-left government that would include Arab parties.
The rest want a right wing govt with Bibi, Ben-Gvir, Smotrich.

7% of Israelis self-identify with the left, with worse numbers as you look at younger cohorts.


I'm gonna have to listen to the podcast in order the hear the results myself, but the post on X states that "the rest" (which is probably not 84% as normally you have a lot of people who answer that they dont know) want a government that includes the Likud (not neccesarily Netanyahu) AND/OR Smotrich and Ben Gvir. So many may want a government that includes the Likud and other centralist/left parties, and those governments tend to be far more moderate.
 
84% of the Israeli public wanting a right-wing government with Netanyahu, Ben Gvir, and Smitrich would wildly contradict pretty much every poll I’ve seen since 7 October 2023.

I think part of the point being made in this and subsequent tweets was that public opinion was very anti-bibi in October 2023, but with time, he has salvaged his reputation w.r.t the security failure that day. The guy who wrote this tweet then lumps in those two with him w.r.t the next government.
I remember polling from a pretty long while ago (mid 2024?) that did have Bibi recovering most of his lost votes post-October, and those two holding/gaining. It might have been an outlier though.
I'm gonna have to listen to the podcast in order the hear the results myself, but the post on X states that "the rest" (which is probably not 84% as normally you have a lot of people who answer that they dont know) want a government that includes the Likud (not neccesarily Netanyahu) AND/OR Smotrich and Ben Gvir. So many may want a government that includes the Likud and other centralist/left parties, and those governments tend to be far more moderate.
 
I think part of the point being made in this and subsequent tweets was that public opinion was very anti-bibi in October 2023, but with time, he has salvaged his reputation w.r.t the security failure that day. The guy who wrote this tweet then lumps in those two with him w.r.t the next government.
I remember polling from a pretty long while ago (mid 2024?) that did have Bibi recovering most of his lost votes post-October, and those two holding/gaining. It might have been an outlier though.

Netanyahu gained some of his lost votes, Smotrich lost a lot and did not gain them back. Overall, the current coalition is still at a big loss of votes.
 


Didn't think an entire country could be summed up in one quote, until reading this:


There seems to be some uncertainty in the reporting here - is the carrot for the ceasefire, more chances for Israelis to kill Palestinians in the West Bank, Gaza, or both?

That quote is sheer projection.


Keir Starmer is complicit, Keir Starmer is vermin.

Starmer is a fecking disgrace.
 
To substantiate that, we have:


From Google translate:
16% of the Israeli public (unclear if Jewish or total) want a center-left government that would include Arab parties.
The rest want a right wing govt with Bibi, Ben-Gvir, Smotrich.

7% of Israelis self-identify with the left, with worse numbers as you look at younger cohorts.

And this is what you get when you indoctrine people from a young age
 
Good to see journalists finally on the ground. True story will emerge over next few months. Just the levels of destruction and murder.
Journalists in Gaza have been reporting what has been happening since the genocide started, many killed in the process too. It's just the western media has failed to report it.
 
Journalists in Gaza have been reporting what has been happening since the genocide started, many killed in the process too. It's just the western media has failed to report it.
I know that. But mostly (damn near entirely) Palestinian journalists. The international media were not allowed in (directly to Gaza).

Moreover, 100s of those Palestinian journalists were targeted and subsequently murdered.
 
Journalists in Gaza have been reporting what has been happening since the genocide started, many killed in the process too. It's just the western media has failed to report it.

They didnt fail they just wouldnt
 
To substantiate that, we have:


From Google translate:
16% of the Israeli public (unclear if Jewish or total) want a center-left government that would include Arab parties.
The rest want a right wing govt with Bibi, Ben-Gvir, Smotrich.

7% of Israelis self-identify with the left, with worse numbers as you look at younger cohorts.

84% of the Israeli public wanting a right-wing government with Netanyahu, Ben Gvir, and Smitrich would wildly contradict pretty much every poll I’ve seen since 7 October 2023.

Finally heard the podcast (and it's reliable, as it belongs to Haaretz). So, what they said is indeed that 16% of the public want a center-left government that will include an Arab party. I should say that the number of lefties in Israel has decreased massively over the years, so it's hardly a surprise there aren't that many who would want that sort of government. Also, the previous government did include an Arab party for the first time ever, and it wasn't a great success - partly because the government had a very small majority so it was highly dependent on all its members and there issues with some, including the Arab partly (Though its leader is highly appreciated by sane people in Israel).

I think that overall there are more than 16% who would include an Arab party, as long as the government isn't dependent on it for its survival.

As for the rest of the 84%, most would prefer a government that includes the Likud and/or Ben Gvir on Smotrich. So it's not 84% who want Ben Gvir or Smotrich - far less, I'm sure

Indeed, I believe many Israelis simply want a governmen without extremists on either side (though I'd hardly call most of the remains of the left here extreme). That government would include the Likud, unfortunately, even though it's full of corrupt and hateful people, but also the more sane parties. But really, looking at the polls, if you don't include the arabs, or the ultra religious, or the extreme right, or the Likud, you don't have enough to form a government.
 
Erel Segal on Israeli Channel 14 is angry about Trump not letting Israel finish Gaza's ethnic cleansing / genocide. The part about Ukraine would be hilarious if not for the other tragedy happening there. It's absolutely amazing and telling that:

- One can so openly voice opinions that would make Nazis blush, in absolute impunity on a national and international level, while people in the West have to fear for their career and reputation if they show any kind of public support for the Palestinians. He also confirms what everyone and their dog knew about the humanitarian aid.
- The "beacon of light in the Middle-East and right to self-defense" memes are still going strong after 15 months of genocide, with the western media never failing to not pick up this kind of interviews.




He's also worrying for nothing. Once things die down, the colonization of the West Bank and Gaza will resume at a high speed.
 
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There are 33 families who were told their loved ones will be returning, or at least they'll discover their fate (if they died and their bodies are returned). There will be an outrage of major proportion if those 33 don't get their closure, and it will require those six weeks.

So I do think it will last for those weeks at least.
We'll see about that.

The hostages have never played any major role in this whole tragedy. If that really were the case, the cease-fire would've been signed months ago. There's enough of the Israeli population who's more interested in revenge and land grab rather than saving the hostages.

Israel can always blame Hamas for breaching the cease-fire. It's not something it wouldn't stoop to.
 
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We'll see about that.

The hostages have never played any major role in this whole tragedy. If that really were the case, the cease-fire would've been signed months ago. There's enough of the Israeli population who's more interested in revenge and land grab rather than saving the hostages.

Israel can always blame Hamas for breaching the cease-fire. It's not like that it wouldn't be something it wouldn't stoop to.

The people who are more interested in grabbling land have more political power than the number of their supporters in the population should entitle, as Netanyahu is so dependent on them. But right now Netanyahu is caught between the rock and the hard place with Trump pushing to end the war.
 
Rula Hassanein, a female Palestinian journalist terrorist who spent 10 months in prison "for incitement on social media" on her incarceration in the jails of the most democratic country in the Middle-East.

She was separated from her daughter only nine months after giving birth and released as part of the cease-fire agreement.



There was a word in the thirties for her jailing, it was called Schutzhaft (protective custody or what the Israelis love to describe as administrative detention).
 
The people who are more interested in grabbling land have more political power than the number of their supporters in the population should entitle, as Netanyahu is so dependent on them. But right now Netanyahu is caught between the rock and the hard place with Trump pushing to end the war.
I'm sorry Amir, but I don't believe it anymore. Not after what happened in the last 18 months and it's not like people can say they didn't know.

Netanyahu always was a symptom and not the cause. He never usurped power and was allowed to drag Israel down to the deepest levels of hell without much protest. There's certainly a part of the Israeli society that wish to leave in peace, side by side with the Palestinians and it goes without a doubt that you're part of it, but they're a shrinking drop of sanity in an ever growing ocean of hate and racial supremacy.

The religious extremists grow stronger each passing day, they are the future of Israel. The reasonable people will leave the country, if they didn't already.

Israel has lost its soul and will face at some point its day of reckoning.
 
Wikipedia has banned several editors for using the platform to spread antisemitic rhetoric and misinformation about Israel’s war against Hamas in Gaza, the Anti-Defamation League says.

These users have spread “malicious, false and biased information about Zionism and Israel across the platform,” says the ADL.

The ADL was labeled as “generally unreliable” regarding the Israeli-Palestinian conflict by Wikipedia’s editors in June. The organization charged that all of the banned users had taken part in a coordinated campaign to smear its credibility.


https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveb...isemitic-rhetoric-misinformation-on-gaza-war/
 
https://www.972mag.com/palestinian-prisoner-release-celebration-west-bank/

really good report to see how the zionist project works on its nicer end in the west bank. isreal has killed at the rate of about a palestinian a day there since oct 7, it is after all their national credo. but killing is not the main thing here, so its mostly kidnapping, torture, and the explicit targeting of palestinian happiness.
 
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There seems to be some uncertainty in the reporting here - is the carrot for the ceasefire, more chances for Israelis to kill Palestinians in the West Bank, Gaza, or both?




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Palestinian Civil Defence says 137 bodies found in Rafah since start of ceasefire​


The Gaza rescue organisation says its crews continue to dig through the rubble of buildings destroyed by Israel’s 15-month war, looking for bodies of those killed.
An estimated 10,000 bodies are currently undiscovered under rubble across the Gaza Strip.