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Absolutely. They ate that right up. Most of the media here is the root of all evil.
Fair enough! From a military standpoint it's ok, but some strike targets seem political/punitive, as opposed to strategic. I'm not sure that withdrawing aid is even possible; much like China they are hugely entangled economically, and the US relies on Israel for tech and intelligence in a few areas.
This is the last poll I found: https://www.pewforum.org/2005/04/15/american-evangelicals-and-israel/ (My numbers were wrong a bit and it's old as I suspected, it's around a 3% advantage to Palestinians.) I take your point that voting is on a knife edge currently though, and they really can't afford to lose any support over this. Is there any recent polls on this?
I agree with the latter unfortunately.
Nice witch hunt guys.
When you find the culprit, let me know and I'll get the lobby to fund another.
Gallup just released a new poll a few weeks ago.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/340331/americans-favor-israel-warming-palestinians.aspx
Sadly, I think Joe has trouble remembering what he said yesterday.
Thanks. That's pretty damned stark.
How easy to say these 8 words when you are not on the other side.
Makes me sick - I don't want to say it, but I do hope people doing this and justifying this end up in a similar situation some time in their lives.
Love this line of argument!
https://bariweiss.substack.com/p/the-bad-optics-of-fighting-for-your
Time for an update to an old classic I think.
Impossible to disentangle war & politics obviously.
The difference in the bombing is when it morphs from tactics to strategy. Targeted surgical bombing could can often be considered tactical because it often doesn’t affect long term change due to its localized effect & its taxation / degradation on the military’s infrastructure.
If the campaign becomes wider & more indiscriminate, then a strategic shift is apparent. That could cause quantitative pushback by allies.
But even then, that pushback could only be superficial & pro forma.
How many decades have the Palestinians tried? They absolutely need to get rid of Hamas and Abbas. But Abbas and the Americans and the Israelis would not let anyone competent or charismatic get their heads up.
Yup. Demographic trends are sometimes the only factor that change a country's internal power structure.
Who are you wishing ill on? The Israeli's for defending themselves against Jihad or the Jihadists literally inviting death and destruction on their own people?
It's not that simple though because over a majority also supports Palestinian statehood and if there was polling on the specific actions of Israel. It's definitely not as simple as saying if a majority of the US population supported Palestine that somehow US policy would change when Israel hardliners have a massively powerful lobby and Palestine has nothing of note.
I’m not arguing for anything with that statement. It’s simply fact.
I’m not using it to condone what Israel is doing.
The Palestinian side is bigger than just Hamas. They also have Fatah as another party but if I recall correctly there's been internal rivalry between Fatah and Hamas.
For the Palestinians to become more powerful I reckon they need a unified organisation instead of the current internal strife.
Case in point, the proliferation of voting law changes in this country occurring right now.
the word inevitable carries a lot of implicit assumptions.
Also worth noting that Hamas seem to have developed the capability to manufacture rockets inside Gaza, which if true, means the Israelis are likely to continue bombing until they think they're removed that capability. Its one thing to destroy tunnels and pressure the Egyptians to clamp down on smuggling via Iran and Syria, its another for Hamas to have an organic capability to make everything by themselves.
World? Just quoted a caf member saying its inevitable.
Yes agreed. Even if it was 50/50, it would still be tilted in favor of the political power structure of the US, which would favor the pro-Israel side.
It’s silly to divorce reality from a situation due to emotions. That’s creating a fairytale, an alternative reality.
Okay, change the term to ‘unavoidable.’ Of course, the quick, almost pedantic response to ‘unavoidable’ will be ‘well, if no bomb was dropped, then there wouldn’t be collateral damage,’ but this situation is past that.
I hope you have children one day and you get in a brawl and the other guy goes after your children instead of you - only then you'll understand.
they had a mostly-unified organisation for a few decades. one of the reasons they don't anymore is because of israeli action to build a religious alternative to rally around:
Apart from the obvious parallels with divide-and-rule from the colonial era, the Indian govt did a similar tactic when facing insurgency in Punjab - funding the most religiously radical faction - this ended up with a siege at the Sikh Golden Temple, and then the PM murdered by her bodyguards.
Thanks for the advice.
Why is this still allowed in here?
Collateral damage in a military conflict is inevitable, unavoidable, bound to happen, etc.
Ordnance expended from both sides kills children. We’ve seen evidence of this in the past 48 hours.
I'm saying that you believe that a terror bombing campaign that kills children is inevitable, ignores the structure of the conflict, what precipitated it now (in 2021) and generally. That bombing is inevitable is one point of view, it is not The Truth.
Cancel culture your thing?
How many Israeli children have been killed in this "conflict"?
He also said Hamas is killing their own children as part of their strategy.
Ordnance expended from both sides has killed children in the past 48 hours. Both of these campaigns are employing terror as a weapon.
You’re simply putting words into my mouth now. I never said ‘bombing is inevitable.’
Yeah seen that, quite revolting to be honest.
Prove I'm wrong.
Through a quick search, one.
the hypocrisy dripping off the screen
Your country created and sustained these so called enemies through sheer greed. It’s not just Palestine that despises you. The world can see.
Yeah, the burden of proof is surely not on the person making ridiculous claims full of hatred and bile.