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VorZakone said:
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"accept a commitment" :lol:
again, like a lot of this, would be funny if it wasn't in service of an ongoing genocide.
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i genuinely believe we will have a scientifically interesting generation of psychopaths from gaza - the ones who are about 5-10 years old now and have lost some/most family. some have recently had israeli drones playing the sounds of children crying at them so that they come out and get shot. i guess their trust in others, value for their own life, etc will be fundamentally broken. there are also the effects of extended malnourishment on brain development.
if they get the chance to unleash genuine hell on israel, it would be deserved.
 
berbatrick said:
"accept a commitment" :lol:
again, like a lot of this, would be funny if it wasn't in service of an ongoing genocide.
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i genuinely believe we will have a scientifically interesting generation of psychopaths from gaza - the ones who are about 5-10 years old now and have lost some/most family. some have recently had israeli drones playing the sounds of children crying at them so that they come out and get shot. i guess their trust in others, value for their own life, etc will be fundamentally broken. there are also the effects of extended malnourishment on brain development.
if they get the chance to unleash genuine hell on israel, it would be deserved.
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Can you elaborate on the bolded? Would you like to see more bloodshed?
 
VorZakone said:
Can you elaborate on the bolded? Would you like to see more bloodshed?
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what i want is irrelevant
if these kids grow up and get the chance to strike it will be hellish. and to a great extent, a result of this war on them (which is where the "deserved" comes from).
at this point, i think the rational thing for israel to do is to kill and displace and starve more so that this cannot happen.
 
And immediately after that, Russia and China vetoed the US resolution for an immediate ceasefire and return of the hostages.

UN is the most useless thing ever.
 
Revan said:
And immediately after that, Russia and China vetoed the US resolution for an immediate ceasefire and return of the hostages.

UN is the most useless thing ever.
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Yep, agreed. You’d think in any other situation (democracy and the link) a vote of 12/15 would comfortably carry any motion/resolution but here we literally have 1 vote which vetoes it. What’s the point if it’s that compromised to the whims of 1/minority?
 
Ish said:
Yep, agreed. You’d think in any other situation (democracy and the link) a vote of 12/15 would comfortably carry any motion/resolution but here we literally have 1 vote which vetoes it. What’s the point if it’s that compromised to the whims of 1/minority?
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As it has always been: to protect the interests of superpowers (the US, USSR/Russia, and China).

France and UK have unilaterally (albeit informally) decided to not use veto power (the last time they used it was in 1989).
 
Revan said:
As it has always been: to protect the interests of superpowers (the US, USSR/Russia, and China).

France and UK have unilaterally (albeit informally) decided to not use veto power (the last time they used it was in 1989).
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Interesting, didn't know this, thanks!
 
Ish said:
Yep, agreed. You’d think in any other situation (democracy and the link) a vote of 12/15 would comfortably carry any motion/resolution but here we literally have 1 vote which vetoes it. What’s the point if it’s that compromised to the whims of 1/minority?
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Have you seen some of the members of the security council? The dictionaries in their countries probably don't even have the word democracy in them.
 
Revan said:
As it has always been: to protect the interests of superpowers (the US, USSR/Russia, and China).

France and UK have unilaterally (albeit informally) decided to not use veto power (the last time they used it was in 1989).
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Yeah, pointless organisation.
Traub said:
Have you seen some of the members of the security council? The dictionaries in their countries probably don't even have the word democracy in them.
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Yeah I know but my point was more around how voting on matters should (or does) usually work for majority, versus having only a select few with absolute veto powers etc. which makes it completely pointless.
 
Revan said:
And immediately after that, Russia and China vetoed the US resolution for an immediate ceasefire and return of the hostages.

UN is the most useless thing ever.
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You know very well why they vetoed, but disingenuously you chose to not say why. It was not a ceasefire resolution, it was green light for Israel to invade Rafah.

"Algeria’s Ambassador Amar Bendjama
Emphasizing “measures” to reduce civilian harm and talk of “operations” implies a license for continuing bloodshed for Israel. The operation in Rafah would have devastating consequences if it goes ahead, he added"
 
MDFC Manager said:
The hilarious, self inflicted humiliation of Germany continues...
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Germany went and still goes farther than any country in the world, breaking conferences, even arresting and banning from the country people showing support to Palestine. Yet:

- Baerbock: "Hang on a minute, you're going too far."
- Netanyahu: "nAZi !!!!"

This bitch slap in the face the moment Germany tries to deviate from absolute and unquestioned support is incredible.
 
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Giggsyking said:
You know very well why they vetoed, but disingenuously you chose to not say why. It was not a ceasefire resolution, it was green light for Israel to invade Rafah.

"Algeria’s Ambassador Amar Bendjama
Emphasizing “measures” to reduce civilian harm and talk of “operations” implies a license for continuing bloodshed for Israel. The operation in Rafah would have devastating consequences if it goes ahead, he added"
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If that poster deliberately & knowingly twists narratives in that manner, then that is despicable.
 
Ish said:
If that poster deliberately & knowingly twists narratives in that manner, then that is despicable.
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Just think about it, why would Algeria oppose a ceasefire resolution and vote against it?

They have been advocating for a ceasefire for 6 months.
 
Giggsyking said:
You know very well why they vetoed, but disingenuously you chose to not say why. It was not a ceasefire resolution, it was green light for Israel to invade Rafah.

"Algeria’s Ambassador Amar Bendjama
Emphasizing “measures” to reduce civilian harm and talk of “operations” implies a license for continuing bloodshed for Israel. The operation in Rafah would have devastating consequences if it goes ahead, he added"
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Where does it say so? https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/03/1147856
 
Giggsyking said:
Just think about it, why would Algeria oppose a ceasefire resolution and vote against it?

They have been advocating for a ceasefire for 6 months.
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My best guess is because the US resolution was weaker than the one the US had just vetoed. While for China and Russia, they vetoed it cause the US has been vetoing their resolutions, so it is a bit of tit for tat. It is in their best interest for US to continue losing face.
 
Russian Ambassador Vassily Nebenzia said the US had promised an agreement to end the fighting time and time again.

Now, the US has finally recognized the need for a ceasefire, when more than 30,000 Gazans have already died.

He said the US was trying to "sell a product" to the Council by using the word imperative in its resolution.

"This is not enough" and the Council must "demand a ceasefire", he declared.

He said there was no call for a ceasefire in the text, accusing US leadership of "deliberately misleading the international community." The draft is just playing to US voters, he said, "to throw them a bone" with a false ceasefire call
 
Giggsyking said:
Russian Ambassador Vassily Nebenzia said the US had promised an agreement to end the fighting time and time again.

Now, the US has finally recognized the need for a ceasefire, when more than 30,000 Gazans have already died.

He said the US was trying to "sell a product" to the Council by using the word imperative in its resolution.

"This is not enough" and the Council must "demand a ceasefire", he declared.

He said there was no call for a ceasefire in the text, accusing US leadership of "deliberately misleading the international community." The draft is just playing to US voters, he said, "to throw them a bone" with a false ceasefire call
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It's quite staggering how the US, UK and Germany are getting absolutely fecking whipped on the world stage. Good on other countries for showing them up and calling them out. It's just a shame nobody will notice.
 
Giggsyking said:
It's literally their in the link you provided.
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Maybe I cannot ready having barely slept yesterday, but where does it say so in the resolution?


  • Makes imperative an immediate and sustained ceasefire with an “urgent need to expand the flow of humanitarian assistance” to all civilians and lifting “all barriers” to delivering aid at scale to Gazans
  • Israel and all armed groups must comply with their obligations under international law, providing protection for humanitarian workers and medical personnel
  • Condemns all acts of terrorism including the Hamas-led attacks of 7 October, the taking and killing of hostages, murder of civilians, sexual violence and condemns the use of civilian buildings for military purposes
  • Rejects any forced displacement of civilians in Gaza
  • Demands that Hamas and other armed groups immediately grant humanitarian access to all remaining hostages
  • Underscores the Council’s full support for the UN Senior Humanitarian and Reconstruction Coordinator Sigrid Kaag, the Special Coordinator for the Middle East Peace Process and UN Resident and Humanitarian Coordinator, so they can establish the new UN aid mechanism under previous resolution 2720
  • Stressed the importance of the Senior Coordinator leading efforts for the recovery and reconstruction of Gaza
  • Demands all parties respect humanitarian notification and deconfliction mechanisms in place to prevent civilian deaths
  • Rejects any action by Israel that could “reduce the territory of Gaza” and condemns calls from some Israeli ministers for the resettlement of Gaza or demographic changes
  • Reaffirms condemnation of the ongoing attacks by Houthi rebels in Yemen on shipping in the Red Sea
  • Reiterates the Security Council’s “unwavering commitment to the vision of the two-State solution”
 



Israel did a similar attack on Jenin refugee camp in December & they’re claiming to target Palestinian “terrorists” meanwhile psychopathic Israeli settlers have killed and injured 8 Palestinians this week alone in the West Bank, unabated. & Rafah (south of Gaz-) is being bombed. Israeli regime has officially turned the entirety of Palestine to a slaughterhouse.
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Idxomer said:
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I just can't deal with this anymore. It's fecking gone beyond levels and boundaries I felt wouldn't be breached. It's just cruel, inhumane and evil. What makes people so twisted?

I often think if I was in control of the nuke on the Enola Gay could I release it? Honestly, I don't think I could. But I have e to ponder it for a long time. What I don't ever have to ponder is could I snipe a child or someone trying to get aid? Or unload on unarmed people in a fecking hospital or kids in a playground.. Not a chance. Never. Ever.....
 
langster said:
I just can't deal with this anymore. It's fecking gone beyond levels and boundaries I felt wouldn't be breached. It's just cruel, inhumane and evil. What makes people so twisted?

I often think if I was in control of the nuke on the Enola Gay could I release it? Honestly, I don't think I could. But I have e to ponder it for a long time. What I don't ever have to ponder is could I snipe a child or someone trying to get aid? Or unload on unarmed people in a fecking hospital or kids in a playground.. Not a chance. Never. Ever.....
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I would have no problem to release Enola Gay in a compund that would only afect IDF soldiers and settlers
 
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