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That explains the relatively lower death toll in the past weeks. I'm certain that the death is well beyond 40,000.

With people missing, when they hit 30k in february, was probably already 40k. After 1 month an a half, surely counting unverified, it reached 50k
 
The flak Germany is getting is certainly justified, but some of the comments are just ridiculous. I'm sure the reunification was purely destructive to humanity
 
The flak Germany is getting is certainly justified, but some of the comments are just ridiculous. I'm sure the reunification was purely destructive to humanity

On the international stage, though, 2 genocides and aiding in a 3rd. There is no other country in the world with that dark history.
 


“If you want to do it as an application of law, I believe that they’ll find that it is genocide, and they have ample evidence to do so,” Warren said of the case before the ICJ.
 


“If you want to do it as an application of law, I believe that they’ll find that it is genocide, and they have ample evidence to do so,” Warren said of the case before the ICJ.


” If you want to do it as an application of law, I believe that they’ll find that it is genocideand they have ample evidence to do so,” Warren said of the case before the ICJ.


What does she mean exactly?
 
” If you want to do it as an application of law, I believe that they’ll find that it is genocideand they have ample evidence to do so,” Warren said of the case before the ICJ.


What does she mean exactly?

probably that the concept of genocide has a legal dimension (outlined in the Genocide Convention), but also a non-legal dimension.

what she seems to say is that if you apply the relevant law the courts will find the legal criteria of genocide to be fulfilled in this case.
 


I will beat you with your own stick.

What's the practical implication of Germany being 'guilty' here? I'm glad they're getting dragged, but does it materialise into anything meaningful?
 


Does anyone trust these publications anymore. The friends and relatives who were subscribers (I was not) to NYT and WP unsubscribed.
 
What's the practical implication of Germany being 'guilty' here? I'm glad they're getting dragged, but does it materialise into anything meaningful?

4 things

1. It will order Germany as a state to stop the weapon sells.
2. It will put Germany under the risk of international sanctions.
3. It will put Germany under risk of compensations to the Palestinian state and Palestinians for the harm they caused by being complicit in War crimes.
4. It will open a door for individuals (German political leaders) to be trialed in a criminal court in the ICC (not the ICJ) for complicity in war crimes.

But all of the above is very hard to happen, because if you listen to the British lawyer he said powerful countries get away with murder.
 
4 things

1. It will order Germany as a state to stop the weapon sells.
2. It will put Germany under the risk of international sanctions.
3. It will put Germany under risk of compensations to the Palestinian state and Palestinians for the harm they caused by being complicit in War crimes.
4. It will open a door for individuals (German political leaders) to be trialed in a criminal court in the ICC (not the ICJ) for complicity in war crimes.

But all of the above is very hard to happen, because if you listen to the British lawyer he said powerful countries get away with murder.
That's what I was getting at. We can order Germany to stop, but there's no way the West will sanction them, and there's no way they'll compensate Palestinians.

The 'moral high ground' the West believe they had on the wider world has all but eroded in the last 6 months. Like I said, I'm glad they're getting dragged over it, and I hope they're found guilty as the world will remember it, but I can't see any meaningful change post the outcome (hope I'm wrong though).
 
” If you want to do it as an application of law, I believe that they’ll find that it is genocideand they have ample evidence to do so,” Warren said of the case before the ICJ.


What does she mean exactly?
She is saying some countries are above the law and we know which countries are these.
 
What's the practical implication of Germany being 'guilty' here? I'm glad they're getting dragged, but does it materialise into anything meaningful?

I don’t think they can be found guilty even if Israel is ultimately found guilty… it’s hard to prove the German government intended to assist genocide… whatever knowledge the German government had of the Israeli government’s true intentions is deeply buried in state secrets and the court will never get to it.
 
I'm still baffled at what Germany seek to gain here. Yes I understand the whole historical guilt angle, but its hardly good optics trying to atone for horrible crimes of the past by attempting to whitewash or shut down any discourse regarding potentially similar crimes occurring now. They could have easily just taken the default European/North American stance of 'Israel has the right to defend itself, bring hostages home blah blah' and they wouldn't be accused of old habits. The whole going out of their way to attempt to absolve Israel at the ICJ, while shutting down any dissent or discourse regarding Palestinian injustices in their country seems unnecessarily excessive. If it is indeed just historical guilt driving this behaviour then they must see the unfortunate irony of their stance here, especially considering the grave implications of whats at stake for the Palestinians here.
 
On the international stage, though, 2 genocides and aiding in a 3rd. There is no other country in the world with that dark history.
Britain, Russia and America are just as bad… if not worse, they’ve never learned from their history and barely admitted any wrongdoings.

Germany was actually doing all right recovering from their past… until now.
 
I don’t think they can be found guilty even if Israel is ultimately found guilty… it’s hard to prove the German government intended to assist genocide… whatever knowledge the German government had of the Israeli government’s true intentions is deeply buried in state secrets and the court will never get to it.

Well, they cant say we did not know, because there is a ruling on Jan 2024 from the ICJ that warned about a plausible genocide. The ICJ can not sit and tell what every country do after that ruling. The Germans should have ceased their arm sales in Jan just like the court in the Netherlands did back then.
 
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A nothing interview.

Jon Stewart has no knowledge of the region. He does have an obvious bias for Israel though, no matter how hard he tries to hide it. Amanpour is tip toeing around the CNN editorial line and doesn't really say anthing.

The occupation of the Palestinian territories isn't mentioned once. Israel's major part in the failure of the peace process and propping up Hamas as well as its financing, which lead to 10/7 is completely glossed over. No word about the systematic destruction of all civilian infrastructures, the famine used as a weapon and the countless war crimes committed in the last six months as well.

They're both banging the official "The war started on 10/7" drum and boiling the onslaught down to a disproportionate response from Israel. One because it could cost her her job, the other because he doesn't have a clue.

So are you, I suppose.
 
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A nothing interview.

Jon Stewart has no knowledge of the region. He does have an obvious bias for Israel though, no matter how hard he tries to hide it. Amanpour is tip toeing around the CNN editorial line and doesn't really say anthing.

The occupation of the Palestinian territories isn't mentioned once. Israel's major part in the failure of the peace process, the creation of Hamas which lead to 10/7 is completely glossed over. No mention of the famine used as a weapon and multiple war crimes committed in the last six months as well.

They're banging the "War started 10/7" and boiling the onslaught down to a disproportionate response.

So are you, I suppose.
It's exactly that.

2% of all children in Gaza have been either killed or injured.
 
That's not accounting the ones who will die from their injuries, malnourishment and/or disease.

All of them are left permanently traumatized by the daily bombing and constant death around them. Trained adult soldiers have seen their life destroyed for much less. There has been a new medical acronym coined just for the Gazans: CTSD. Constant Traumatic Stress Disorder. Just imagine how the next generation of Gazans will look like.

What Israel has been inflicting to the Palestinians, not only in the last six months but the past decades, is nothing short of monstrous.
 
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On the international stage, though, 2 genocides and aiding in a 3rd. There is no other country in the world with that dark history.

UK had been worse in terms of genocides. Comes to mind, India during WWII (and before and after with more than 100 million), Kenya after WWII and SA early XXth century. And not that UK is not supporting Israel. UK has a way darker history than germany by any account. France and Spain are close
 
A nothing interview.

Jon Stewart has no knowledge of the region. He does have an obvious bias for Israel though, no matter how hard he tries to hide it. Amanpour is tip toeing around the CNN editorial line and doesn't really say anthing.

The occupation of the Palestinian territories isn't mentioned once. Israel's major part in the failure of the peace process and propping up Hamas as well as its financing, which lead to 10/7 is completely glossed over. No word about the systematic destruction of all civilian infrastructures, the famine used as a weapon and the countless war crimes committed in the last six months as well.

They're both banging the official "The war started on 10/7" drum and boiling the onslaught down to a disproportionate response from Israel. One because it could cost her her job, the other because he doesn't have a clue.

So are you, I suppose.
John Stewart is not that Pro Israel, he is pretty much in the middle and sometime on Palestinians side. Check the rest of the episode.



He is much better than most talkshow hosts in the media.
 
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UK had been worse in terms of genocides. Comes to mind, India during WWII (and before and after with more than 100 million), Kenya after WWII and SA early XXth century. And not that UK is not supporting Israel. UK has a way darker history than germany by any account. France and Spain are close
Yeah Britain are pretty bad.
 

I would laugh if it wasn't so tragic.

It was known for months and right there in everyone's face, in a way that's never been seen since WWII. Yet every single Western freedom merchant tried its best yoga training to provide the necessary mental gymnastics to deny and delay the most basic aid to a martyrized, helpless, trapped population whilst screaming "Evil is whoever we don't like".

I look forward to seeing a radical change of this wretched and doomed world order.
 
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