Yea, I think you're thinking of Visegrad which is a crap source.
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I keep hear this by the Israeli state, we are a democracy so do not criticize us for killing Palestinians. Being a democarcy does not give you any sort of shield of breaking international law.
But
To clarify, Israel is not a democracy. Anyone say it is a democracy must give his/her head a wobble.
But
To clarify, Israel is not a democracy. Anyone say it is a democracy must give his/her head a wobble.
By condoning a few months of blood letting post Oct 7th, the US, Israel and all the allies have effectively opened Pandora's box, giving the Israeli right carte blanche to do as they please.
Now all allies have to switch urgently from the calls that Israel's right to defend itself post Oct 7th and condoning this violence/abuse to suddenly condemning the levels of violence (which haven't materially increased) and making calls for a ceasefire. Weird how the violence was fine for four months but now, suddenly when it's our aid workers dying, it's enough.
It will only end in military action being taken against Israel, no one has the power to actually stop them via sanctions and they have no reason to stop. They've been backed this far, have a huge support across the globe, are literally armed to the teeth by the most powerful nations.
I see either another regional Muslim player (Iran) getting baited by Israel into attacking, then it's really, WW3, or western allies have to send in troops to Israel/cut their support entirely.
Either way, this will continue.
Now all allies have to switch urgently from the calls that Israel's right to defend itself post Oct 7th and condoning this violence/abuse to suddenly condemning the levels of violence (which haven't materially increased) and making calls for a ceasefire. Weird how the violence was fine for four months but now, suddenly when it's our aid workers dying, it's enough.
It will only end in military action being taken against Israel, no one has the power to actually stop them via sanctions and they have no reason to stop. They've been backed this far, have a huge support across the globe, are literally armed to the teeth by the most powerful nations.
I see either another regional Muslim player (Iran) getting baited by Israel into attacking, then it's really, WW3, or western allies have to send in troops to Israel/cut their support entirely.
Either way, this will continue.
Are there any countries actively sanctioning Israel yet?
Innocent Palestinian civilians: Silence
Aid workers: Pandemonium!
Targeting children, the elderly, civilians. Killing aid workers. Stopping food and airs being delivered where it’s needed. All this while the world just watches on and excuse it/ignore it and allow it to continue. While the part of the world who has the means to put an end to it and hold that abhorrent regime accountable, anyway.
The injustice of it all, the suffering…and we’re all seemingly powerless to do anything about it. I guess we can just keep on sharing and spreading the news, responsibly, with the hope that a miracle happens.
I know that and please don't take it as a personal attack. There no "some ways", the US is fully and knowingly accessory to genocide. I don't know if you realize how much the US is going to suffer in the future from this unabated stance.
The Guardian has done a fantastic coverage (by Western standards) of the Gaza Genocide. They have have a big pull and a large audience. Not everyone follows Twitter or TikTok.
That will not happen, at least not in a Presidential Election year, and the Israeli leadership know this; suspect they will be calculating the 'balance of support' right up to November.
My guy, Biden, let them do that. An utter failure.
Israel is killing everyone and everywhere, from Gaza to the West Bank to Damascus, and Biden is watching and doing nothing. I don’t want to hear from him again about “pain”, “suffering”, “finding purpose” and “loss”. He is cruel.
The U.S. stopped leading from behind… because it simply stopped leading. We pay taxes to maintain our global standing, defend our security and, yes, our interests and values. We don’t pay taxes to make children starve or to see our government dropping food like they’re afraid of a country of 10 million people (1/4 of California). It’s time that we establish our authority over the situation: send aid to Gaza, and tell Netanyahu “you dare shooting one bullet at our troops”, and force (not call for) immediate ceasefire.
I think a lot of people are finally realizing this is not political pragmatism on biden's part, but ideological.
He's expressing his frustration at the situation as a whole, not that the Guardian is reporting it (although it does prove the depravity when a Western leading newspaper is highlighting these atrocities).
The Guardian is quite fair on its takes. I don't necessarily agree with every article or take but they're head and shoulders above other media like The Telegraph or the BBC for example.
There are many people not as informed or interested in this topic, as you, me or GiggsyKing are. The Guardian is filling in the gaps for those who don't necessarily or actively seek input on this conflict.
I started reading, but couldn’t finish it. America looks like the weaker side here. Utterly disappointing and pathetic by this administration. The administration lost all credibility, and this will have long(er)-term implications.
There are two ways of looking at it -
First is the US and Biden is weak as piss and are unable to rein in a rabid Israel, or unwilling to given its an election year which is pathetic.
The other is the US and Biden just don't give a shit about browns, Arabs, Muslims and if anything Israel is doing their dirty work by bombing Palestine, Syria and Lebanon.
Or perhaps it's a mixture of the both.
In any case, it's absolutely damning of the US, and any moral or 'good' guy status the US had has disappeared in the space of a couple of months.
If you didn't reach the end you may have missed a wholly unsurprising but somehow still shocking revelation, shocking only for how casual it is for a former state dept. official to say it on the record:
Of course it's ideological to him. He is a Zionist with his own words, and the sad news, the other guy (Trump) has been once awarded by the ZOA the best friend that Israel ever had in the White House. So the US is a lost cause. Germany is a lost cause too. The only hope in western countries is from the rest from Europe.
Yes, I am aware of that, they are far better than any other publication. I am not blaming them for doing their work, I am just venting my frustration to the world for waiting for investigations to see something we already see with our own eyes on video.
Again that is naive take. Spain went to iraq war witg +95% of population against and massive protests (millions) in the streets. Government pushed through. UK went against a majority of a population supporting it
Israel only need the support of the governments, he doesnt care of the average joe
Yes I read that. But I did not bother because it is obvious to conclude.
Thanks for sharing.
It is a bigger shift than he makes it sound, but the line of the 2 major British parties hold steady (total support for the ongoing Genocide)
Also just covered in the Guardian in a shorter piece for those short on time: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/03/israel-gaza-ai-database-hamas-airstrikes
And to be fair to the Lib Dems, they've been calling for a ceasefire for a while. They did the whole 'Israel has the right to defend itself' nonsense first but they've come around.
Oh, a genocidal AI but still controlled by humans who make those decisions to bomb.
Well done
Here it is, If anyone wants to tell you it was a mistake. We all know it was not. But for those who wants to know more, they knew what the convoy was, but they suspected an armed man traveling with them. So they decided to sacrifice everybody to get to this "armed man" or "suspected terrorist".
Which is what it loses when public consensus overwhelmingly understands this as genocide. Iraq wasn't/isn't even understood that way. This isn't the same thing. Israel doesn't lobby the world's governments and sometimes populations for no reason.
The current UK Government are useless tw@ts (at this conflict and lots of other stuff)… wonder what Israel’s control will be if Labour win the GE?
Thats a sh!t load of MPs as LFI supporters, some very senior in a prospective Cabinet… Starmer, Reeves, Lammy, Phillips, Cooper. Mencer was the head of the LFI.
Starmer .. thanks to LFI “for the crucial role they play in the Labour Party” (that’s an understatement!)… “for contributing to a balanced debate on the Middle East” (L.O.L) … “and for their work to support initiatives to promote a peaceful two state solution for the people of Israel and Palestine” (presumably the ones still alive?).
I've read this twice now, thanks for sharing.
feck me. Zionism is a disease.
Just wondering where the very opinionated & often argumentative Pro Israeli supporters have gone? I can't remember seeing them much in the last few weeks.
Probably back on twitter, retweeting Eylon Levy.
An external conflict that doesnt affect the local population will never provoke any revolution in any country
Also, most of the important western countries works in a bipartidism environment and both support Israel more than not. So the elctorate has no real option to punish anyone. And again is not in their top 10 priorities to vote.
And yes, not the same thing. If iraq war without having a lobby (even saddam had a way worse PR image than israel) imagine israel having the victimization image on the holocaust ( and rightly so) and the lobby what it can be achieve.
If no population stopped their govrenment on the iraq war, less options in israel case
Not much to say.
I'm not about to defend the indefensible and no one on this threat needs another poster to say that what's Israel's doing is terrible (which it is).
I've no idea where this is going and I doubt the govenment knows either. Meanwhile, the country is starting to tear itself apart from the inside again.
This might be the moment when many minority voters (particularly Arabs/Muslims) leave the left-wing parties, be that in the U.S. be that in the U.K.
I’m not the fan of Jean-Luc Melenchon, but he remains the only leader of the left in a major Western democracy who calls for ending what’s happening in Gaza.
I’m not the fan of Jean-Luc Melenchon, but he remains the only leader of the left in a major Western democracy who calls for ending what’s happening in Gaza.
Oh for sure. Although I think the US Muslims prefer to just refrain from voting instead of flipping to the red side. It might be enough to help Trump win as well.....